Louis Katz on tue 2 dec 97
Step Hard Step Fast this will be an unpopular opinion.
Where is the credit for the person who mixed the clay, drilled for the Oil
or gas, developed the glaze recipe, or taught you?
The real problem is the credit we take our selves for the making of the
work. We give our selves too much credit so we can justify an exhalted
status in society.
The word Art comes from the root ars, whose primary meaning is " to put
things together"
All artifacts of intellegence are "put together" . The curve of the spare
tire as it is loaded into the trunk of your car by the tire repair
technician expresses his fealings at the the time; be they exhaltation,
exhaustion, or inspiration. This arc of the tire, the swing of his (or her)
hands, the placement of feet are dance. Where is his signature?
Louis
shelford on thu 4 dec 97
Louis - you make a good argument for appreciation, but could we consider
this: usually the people who mixed the clay, or loaded the spare tire, or
whatever, are already being paid by salary. That doesn't mean we should be
less aware of them, or appreciate them less. But the photographer and the
potter, and maybe to a lesser extent the teacher and the glaze developer,
are dependent on more elusive measures of recognition for their livelihood.
The photo was bought and paid for, but I would have said that generally
there is more dependence on perception and reputation for repeat business on
the "artistic" side. Yes? or No?
I must say I liked the way you said it all.
- Veronica
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Step Hard Step Fast this will be an unpopular opinion.
>
>Where is the credit for the person who mixed the clay, drilled for the Oil
>or gas, developed the glaze recipe, or taught you?
>The real problem is the credit we take our selves for the making of the
>work. We give our selves too much credit so we can justify an exhalted
>status in society.
>The word Art comes from the root ars, whose primary meaning is " to put
>things together"
>All artifacts of intellegence are "put together" . The curve of the spare
>tire as it is loaded into the trunk of your car by the tire repair
>technician expresses his fealings at the the time; be they exhaltation,
>exhaustion, or inspiration. This arc of the tire, the swing of his (or her)
>hands, the placement of feet are dance. Where is his signature?
>
>Louis
>
>
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Thetis Island, BC V0R 2Y0
Tel: (250) 246-1509
Louis Katz on fri 5 dec 97
Sometimes it is worth expressing an indefenable opinion. This time I am
hoping it was . My feelings and "thoughts" are not always in line with each
other. The attitude that a good artist or photographer is more valuble to
society than a good mechanic, or a good garbage collector (with his
gracefull return of the empty can to the curb), strikes me as wrong.
At the same time my brain tells me that people who work in this society,
and sell pots for a living must (just about) sign thier work in some
manner. I would rather see the phtographs I take for my wife faithfully
reproduced with good color rendition than have my photo credit listed.
Louis
Lynn & Patrick Hilferty on sun 7 dec 97
I dunno. The work itself should constitute the signature; the signature
itself risks comodification (like Picasso or Rolex).
On the other hand,I once took slides of a friend's teapot and later, found
that slide reproduced in Garth Clark's "Eccentric Teapots" book. If I'd
known how, I would have asked for credit, you bet.
Patrick
At 10:01 -0500 12/5/97, Louis Katz wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Sometimes it is worth expressing an indefenable opinion. This time I am
>hoping it was . My feelings and "thoughts" are not always in line with each
>other. The attitude that a good artist or photographer is more valuble to
>society than a good mechanic, or a good garbage collector (with his
>gracefull return of the empty can to the curb), strikes me as wrong.
>
>At the same time my brain tells me that people who work in this society,
>and sell pots for a living must (just about) sign thier work in some
>manner. I would rather see the photographs I take for my wife faithfully
>reproduced with good color rendition than have my photo credit listed.
>
>Louis
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