Ingeborg Foco on mon 8 jun 09
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Dear Carl,
I'm sorry you felt trodden upon and the need to apologize., I welcomed you
to the group and ended my post with "peace" What else do you think that
means! I'm sorry you felt otherwise.
Carl, there was no need to apologize for anything. You've been gone
apparently for a long time and I was just making a point that Howard
contributes in a really great way and his using the Paragon web site as his
signature was really no different than any of us using our various ways to
advertise our wares. If I made it sound otherwise, I am sorry.
I don"t know Howard, have never met him and I don't own a Paragon Kiln;
instead I own two Skutt kilns I think I mentioned that. I know that Perry
is great in the service department. All I said was Arnold is not
advertising or spamming as we all sign our posts with out various things we
want to sell or promote. i.e. me and my web site ( from which I have sold
Zip ) So relax, get over it. Howard along with many other people on this
list give great advice and help to this group for zero dollars. I can't sa=
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that anyone from Skutt has helped the general group and that is NOT
disparaging o.k. Just a fact.
When I had my probelms with my old Skutt kiln, I called Skutt and got a ver=
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helpful response' You most likely will need to purchase such and such and
this is how you need to install it. I said how much and they said about
$100 plus shipping. It's an old kiln and questionable if I want to spent
that much for a part. I came to the group and many people including Howard
suggested ways for me to repair the old beast which I did with zero
dollars. I appreciate that kind of advice.
So to summarize, Skutt makes great kiln and is good at customer service.
Paragon has Arnold and I guess they make great kilns. Carl needs to join
the group and relax and not be so sensitive. My personal motto is : Don't
take offense where no offense is intended" and my really really personal
mantra "You cannot offend me without my permission" and I do not give you
permission!
it's a good motto to apply. Please, Peace to you Carl and we look forward
to hearing from you on other subjects.
Ingeborg
www.thepttersworkshop.com
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Carl Ross wrote:
> My apologies to Arnold and everyone at paragon, I thought I prefaced my
> message sufficiently with the fact that I wasn't ripping on paragon, but
> merely putting in my experience with what I did know: Skutt. I don't have=
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> aversion to advertising, but there seemed to be a lot of talk about
> paragon including arnold's messages which were from people with plently o=
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> experience I wanted to differentiate my message as someone who comes from
> the customer's perspective and the ease of use and practicality I experie=
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> with skutt, I have no experience with paragon, so I can't offer insight o=
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> them, but apparently I did incite something and for that I'm sorry.
>
> I was merely speaking my mind it's a little strange being pounced on by
> people who exhibit their freedom of expression in their art and craft yet
> have a problem with another artist's perspective.
>
> Again I apologize for whoever I may have offended, but most importantly t=
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> the person who put out the initial question on the group.
>
> Peace-
>
> Carl Ross
>
> I'm just a soul who's intentions are good...
> ...oh lord please don't let me be misunderstood
> -jimi hendrix
>
> > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 18:31:25 -0400
> > From: ingeborg.foco@GMAIL.COM
> > Subject: Re: electric kilns / advertising / welcome back to clay
> > To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >
> > From: "Carl Ross"
> > My point is not that their opinions don't matter or are any
> > less relevant, but rather that to some degree it is a sales
> > pitch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Carl welcome back,
> >
> > I don't quite understand your aversion to "advertising " by Arnold Howa=
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> > Paragon.
> >
> > You may not be aware but Howard gives freely and generously of his
> knowledge
> > to this group. If you have any problems with your electric kiln
> regardless
> > of the make or model, Howard is always there to help out. The fact that
> he
> > signs his signature with the Paragon web site is no more advertising th=
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> I
> > or any of us do by using our web addresses or etsy sites. It's as simpl=
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> as
> > that.
> >
> > If he were spamming everyone from this list, I would agree with you. I
> > think you are a bit out of line to make him is sound like a greedy guy.=
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> > own two Skutt kilns and had a problem with one of them (very old kiln)
> and I
> > came to the group for help. I know I could have called Skutt and gotten
> > good advice but I chose to ask this group. Many people gave me their he=
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> > and Howard was one of them. I rest my case and peace to you.
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ingeborg
> >
> > www.thepottersworkshop.com
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Sincerely,
Ingeborg
www.thepottersworkshop.com
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