Wes Rolley on sat 15 aug 09
I have decided that everyone should try to tile the floor in their
kitchen at least once. I just finished laying tile there today,
replacing the linoleum that had been there for 20 years. After all of
that I have greater (note the comparative form) respect for Paul
Lewing, Stephani Stephenson and all who work with tile as their occupation.
Fisrst, the floor was very much not level. Went into the crawl space
under the house and found that there were three major problems. One
involved having to jack up a corner of the kitchen and putting shims
under the subfloor. Then, I noted that part of the sub-floor had no
support at all near the corner and I had to fix that. Following that,
it was noted that the flooring was supported by 4 x 6 beams on 4 ft
centers and a 1 and 1/8th in plywood sub-floor. After 30+ years, it was
beginning to sag in between the beams, so I had to put in 2 x 6 joists
to hold it steady.
It still was not completely level, but close enough that I could achieve
a lot better surface just be controlling the thickness of the thin-set
as I was laying it... a little thinner over the beams and a little
thicker in between.
After all that, I have a great respect for those in the building trades
who can do the job right and a great fear that most can't do it as well
as I can. Still, if I had a bit more experience it would have been
done much quicker and my wife would not have found as many little signs
of inexperience.
Grout is Monday's task.
--
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then =
you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente
Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024
steve graber on sun 16 aug 09
i have full respect for the tradespeople who do this for a living.=3DA0 my =
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that is not the place for me to learn how to do it, while leaving a result =
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that looks like i did-it-myself.=3DA0 outside i do a lot of my own work.=3D=
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nd outside it is fine.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ai re-vamped my garden area.=3DA0 the =
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soanly made tile.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Aboy does it take time!=3DA0=3DA0=3D0A=3DA0=
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esum texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =
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marci and rex on sun 16 aug 09
At 12:15 AM 8/16/2009, Wes Rolley wrote:
>After all that, I have a great respect for those in the building trades
>who can do the job right and a great fear that most can't do it as well
>as I can. Still, if I had a bit more experience it would have been
>done much quicker and my wife would not have found as many little signs
>of inexperience.
Youre right about that... Most people in different aspects of
the building trades have tricks theyve learned over the years
that make the job a lot easier to do and they also
have the proper tools..My husband and I could laminate
an 8 foot long counter top in a couple of minutes
( not counting glue drying time ) where you have
to get everything dead on right the first time because it
was next to impossible
to try to pry up the formica to have another go at it.
DIY is never as easy as they make it seem LOL!
Marci Blattenberger Boskie's Mama =3D^..^=3D
http://www.marciblattenberger.com
marci@ppio.com
Porcelain Painters International Online http://www.ppio.com
Dannon Rhudy on sun 16 aug 09
Wes said: > I have decided that everyone should try
to tile the floor in their
> kitchen at least once. I just finished laying
tile there today,........
Good for you, Wes. You did it right. And,
I daresay that most who lay tile would not have
gone as far as you did in terms of correcting
the floor flaws. You'll be glad you did, though.
Quick fixes don't last long with ceramic tile.
The weight of the tile is substantial, cracks soon
appear, etc.
And - it's always good to learn a new thing. I
like setting tile, but floors -especially non-concrete
floors - are a challenge. Worth it, though, and
once done right, they last a looooooooong time.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
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