logan johnson on thu 17 sep 09
Hi James I want to thank you for your reply .=3DA0 I understand what you're=
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aying however I do still have some problems being able to swallow some of t=
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he things you mentioned even though they seem to be accepted truths. I do a=
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dmit the problems I'm having seem to be personal ones for example... (see b=
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elow)
>Because, Logan, he has precedent.
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The problem I have with this statement=3DA0 is I keep hearing my grandmothe=
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in my head :
"Two wrongs don't make a right"
Just because something has been done before that doesn't make it "right " o=
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r "acceptable" to do again.
>Hirst does not make any of his own work.=3DA0 Neither does Koons.=3DA0 Whi=
le I
>do not believe you will find an ordinary person who would consider
>either to be an Artist, the Art cognoscenti worship at their feet.
>Warhol didn't paint his own works, at least not during his later
>years.
I don't know much about Warhol & I could be totally wrong=3DA0 but didn't h=
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keep tight control over what he had the printers do with his work ?=3D20
As for the other two artists you mentioned, my art education can only be de=
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scribed as pathetic & I don't know who they are .=3DA0 The only Koons I kno=
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of is Joe Koons & I don't think you mean him.
>=3DA0 The Old Masters didn't paint much of their own work.=3DA0 They
>would add a brushstroke here or there, then sign their name.=3D20
Even though sometimes after loading my kiln I feel old enough to have been=
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=3DA0 around the old masters=3DA0 ;oD=3DA0=3DA0 I can only imagine that the=
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did some type of training of their apprentices & also kept a close eye on =
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what they were painting the same as Warhol
>Most sculptors do not make their own work.=3DA0 Many just make a little mo=
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l
>or sketch, then have craftsmen produce the piece.=3DA0 Many others just
>produce a full-size clay model which is then molded, cast, and
>finished by foundry workers.
Now I have known a married couple of sculptors & while they did create the =
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master for the foundry worker & the workers took it from there the sculptor=
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s again had total control over what the workers did down to what finishes &=
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colors were applied to the piece.=3DA0 If a baker doesn't grow ,mill his/h=
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own flour that bread is still the product of the baker .=3DA0 I don't make=
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y own clay (yet ) but the work is still made by my hand.
=3DA0>Hell, Hamada and his fellow treasures
>didn't make their own work either.
On the subject of "Hamada & his fellow treasures" I will again listen to my=
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grandmother & know when to keep my mouth shut (for a change).=3DA0=3D20
>People like Koons or Hirst or the gentleman from New Zealand cannot
claim to be sculptors without committing, in your words, art fraud,
>but they can certainly claim to be Artists since this term has lost
>all objective meaning.=3DA0 The "Art" in the rubbish pile, you see, was
>not in merely making the rubbish pile.=3DA0 Anyone could have done that,
>as Chris pointed out.=3DA0 No, the Art was in thinking up the idea to have
>someone dump trash in a gallery.=3DA0 The guy who did the actual dumping
>was part of the "Art".
I think I see the reason for my inability to understand .=3DA0=3DA0 I just =
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t seem to get past some peoples willingness to consider what is literally a=
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pile of trash as "Art"=3D20
and that having an idea about art is being considered as art all on it's ow=
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n.=3D20
Or art without some effort by the person taking the credit for the art.
I'm not sure this is something something I want to work on but it's definit=
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ely something to think about=3D20
>There was a show at a very big name New York gallery a couple of years
>ago wherein the Artist hired four porn stars to disrobe in the
>gallery, and then invited the audience to direct the porn stars'
>activities.=3DA0 So who was the "Artist"?=3DA0 It was not the four people
>sweating and grunting, nor the audience members who directed and
>watched the sweating and grunting.=3DA0 No, they were the "Art".=3DA0 The
>Artist was the guy who thought it up.=3DA0 By the way, the people engaged
>in and watching the same activities in a venue in a less tony area,
>likely near the airport, were not Art nor Artists, but merely sleaze
>bags, because their intentions were not noble.
Performance art is another subject it's best I stay away from since I don't=
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have many good things to say about most of=3DA0 it.=3D20
>Is it all clear now?
I do believe so . Thanks !
Have a good one !=3D20
Logan
Logan Johnson Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply 719 W Nob Hill Blvd. Ste C =
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Yakima, WA 98902 509.469.6966 =3DA0www.audeostudios.com "Carpe Argill=
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!!"
Take care.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
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