Karin Givon on tue 6 oct 09
The alcohol works, best at 10% or so we learn in nursing school, soap
and water works but not The Most Effective--which I learned lo! these
many years ago was FRICTION! Rub those little bacteria dead! Pop
their little shells! Squish em! There you go!
It's the thought that counts. Dry handed vigorous rubbing would
prolly work as well.
Lotsa folks have lotsa opines.
Karin
nevada City, ca.
On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Lis Allison wrote:
On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Chris Campbell wrote:
>
> Duke University has proven that washing hands with soap
> and water is the most effective way of prevention ... these
> 'cleaners' tend to just move the germs around.
Is that true? I thought that it was alcohol that killed the germs and
that
the hand sanitizers with high alcohol content worked best. Plus you
can't
keep a sink and soap and towel on your sales table.....
Lis
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Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Lis Allison on tue 6 oct 09
On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Chris Campbell wrote:
>
> Duke University has proven that washing hands with soap
> and water is the most effective way of prevention ... these
> 'cleaners' tend to just move the germs around.
Is that true? I thought that it was alcohol that killed the germs and that
the hand sanitizers with high alcohol content worked best. Plus you can't
keep a sink and soap and towel on your sales table.....
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Russel Fouts on wed 7 oct 09
>> Is that true? I thought that it was alcohol that killed the germs
and that the hand sanitizers with high alcohol content worked best. Plus
you can't keep a sink and soap and towel on your sales table..... <<
Anybody take biology? It takes heat and pressure to REALLY kill germs.
That's what an autoclave is for.
Ru
Philip Poburka on wed 7 oct 09
Hi Ru
Well...'Distilled Water' can do it very well ( kill 'Germs')...being
hypotonic, any
one-celled Organisms basically sort of softly 'explode' on brief contact.
Also, various specific frequency ranges of Radio Waves can do it very well.
High or low PH solutions can do a great deal also...
UV and or desiccation...do very well for many things, if maybe not Anthrax
or
Botulism Spores.
'Prions' of course, merely shrug off any forays into the Autoclave, UV,
protracted immersions into even boiling Alcohol, Benzene, etc...as many
Hospitals and Surgeons have been finally embarrassed or grudgingly coerced
to
concede, once they'd infected tens if not hundreds of thousands, millions
maybe,
of people with slow, time-release, nvJCd jobsecurity-income-to-come for
themselves, 'healthcare'
workers and stockholders, while having protected themselves fairly well.
Ask the same Docs to stand in on an Autopsy on an ohhhhhhhh, so-called
'Alzheimer's
deceased, and you bet the SOB will wear a 'Moon Suit' AND stand way, WAY
'back'.
Oh well...
Whatchagunnado...
Anyway...'Soap and Water'...
Soap is a surfactant and also dissolves or loosens various natural Skin Oil=
s
and other films...thus, when coupled with vigorous, frictional
washing-style, does very well for floating off various topical
'germs',Viruses, whatever.
Various Hand 'sanitizers' probably tend to be used too casually to be
anywhere near as good as right style Soap and Water washing...and or have
intrinsic limitations anyway.
Superficial applications of Hand Sanitizers having small amounts of Alcohol
in them, as-used, probably do not really saturate/penetrate well enough or
long
enough into the Skin's fissures to equal right Soap and Water regimen.
I never took Biology...
Those who did as part of their Medical education, routinely chalk up what
some (pre-castration, pre-de-toothing and de-clawing,
pre-political-merely-and-otherwise-non-ethics) ex CDC heads had estimated t=
o
be close
to 3/4rs of a million 'hard' iatrogenic deaths a year in the US and likely
ten times that in merely damaged, botched up and pro-tem
iatrogenic infected and messed-up but 'lived' anyway victims.
Compared to 'Sarrs', 'ebola', 'h1n1, 'h5n1' etc, etc, etc...contextually,
your average
Doctor or Hospital or Clinic is a hundred thousand times more 'dangerous' o=
r
lethal,
just running their routine rackets as they do.
Oye...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Fouts"
> >> Is that true? I thought that it was alcohol that killed the germs
> and that the hand sanitizers with high alcohol content worked best. Plus
> you can't keep a sink and soap and towel on your sales table..... <<
>
> Anybody take biology? It takes heat and pressure to REALLY kill germs.
> That's what an autoclave is for.
>
> Ru
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