Snail Scott on tue 13 oct 09
The article Logan cited (about the girl whose
fingers had to be amputated after being
severely burned in a bucket of setting plaster)
could be true. Plaster generates a whole lot
of heat when setting, and a thick glob of it
will retain much of that heat and trap it without
dissipating for a while, and the moisture will
make it conduct well against the skin - very
different form touching a hot dry item with a
finger.
Even putting a plaster cast on a broken arm
(much thinner plaster) can cause heat injuries,
and I have personally seen 2nd degree burns
from badly done plaster life-molds. In most
cases, however, the model was not trapped in
the mold and bailed out when it started to hurt.
My husband was run over by a drunk driver
some years ago, necessitating casts on all
extremities. The novice doctor put all the casts
on at once. The heat from the setting plaster,
applied to so much of the body surface
simultaneously, drove his body temperature
into the range where brain damage can set
in. A nurse took notice and quickly cut off the
casts, reapplying them one at a time with a
delay in between.
That art teacher was foolish to use an entire
bucket of plaster for the job; a thinner coating
would not have built up so much heat. However,
many art teachers have little training in the
materials they use, and plaster probably
seemed 'safe' to experiment with. I suspect a
great many people would have thought the
same, even with prior experience in plaster.
The combination of a thick solid mass of plaster
and (I suspect) a hand position that did not
permit the student to wiggle out when pain
began, meant a bad outcome that one factor
or the other alone might not have created.
-Snail
Logan Johnson on tue 13 oct 09
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since some of the latest discussions have been about safety in the studios =
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with materials.=3DC2=3DA0 I'm still too shocked to make a comment.Logan
Here is the original link in case this doesn't show up on your computer :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_fingers
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eported.=3D0A =3D0AThe girl's lawyer Stephen Hill said outsi=
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and she also had=3D0Asevere scars all over her body where the plastic surge=
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s now doing "remarkably well."=3D0A =3D0A"She is a very dete=
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ed, self sufficient character but she is now only left with one forefinger =
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sibility to ensure when children are using chemicals they are used safely."=
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=3D0A =3D0A(Reporting by Michael Holden; Editing by Steve Ad=
diso=3D
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Logan Johnson=3D20
Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply=3D20
719 w. Nob Hill blvd.=3D20
Yakima Wa. 98902=3D20
(509) 469-6966=3D20
www.yakimavalleypottery.net=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Lou Raye Nichol on tue 13 oct 09
I looked up the article but it had expired. What did it say?
Lou Raye=3D20
Lou Raye Nichol, PCC
Business Coach Institute
919-303-5848
louraye@businesscoachinstitute.com
www.businesscoachinstitute.com=3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan =3D
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Dangerous Plaster of Paris
Hey Gang,This is an article I f
=3D20
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Hey Gang,This is an article I found just before I went to =3D
open
the store I had to share it with the group since some of the latest
discussions have been about safety in the studios with materials.=3DA0 I'm =
=3D
still
too shocked to make a comment.Logan
Here is the original link in case this doesn't show up on your computer =3D
:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_fingers
School fined as girl loses fingers in art lessonMon=3DA0Oct=3DA012, =3D
2:59=3DA0pm=3DA0ET
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LONDON
(Reuters) =3D96 A school in eastern England was ordered to pay 19,000 =3D
pounds
($30,140) Monday after a 16-year-old girl lost nearly all her fingers =3D
when
she put her hands in a bucket of plaster of Paris during an art lesson.
=3D20
The teen-ager was attempting to make a sculpture of her own hands during =
=3D
a
lesson in January 2007 when the accident happened, Boston Magistrates' =3D
Court
in Lincolnshire heard.
=3D20
The plaster set around her hands and neither staff nor paramedics could =3D
get
it off during the lesson at Giles School, in Boston.
=3D20
The court was told that temperatures up to 60C can be generated in large
quantities of plaster and the girl, who was not named in court, suffered
terrible burns.
=3D20
After a series of 12 operations, she was left with no fingers on one =3D
hand
and just two on the other.
=3D20
The school's governing body admitted breaching health and safety =3D
regulations
and also failing to report the incident to the Health and Safety =3D
Executive
(HSE).
=3D20
The court was told the HSE was never informed by the school about what =3D
had
happened and only found out six weeks after the accident from the girl's
plastic surgeon.
=3D20
The school was fined a total of 16,500 pounds and ordered to pay 2,500
pounds in legal costs, the Press Association reported.
=3D20
The girl's lawyer Stephen Hill said outside court the injuries his =3D
client,
now 18, had suffered were "truly horrific" and she also had severe scars =
=3D
all
over her body where the plastic surgeons had taken skin for grafts.
=3D20
However, Hill said she was now doing "remarkably well."
=3D20
"She is a very determined, self sufficient character but she is now only
left with one forefinger and an index finger," he said.
=3D20
"Teachers have a responsibility to ensure when children are using =3D
chemicals
they are used safely."
=3D20
(Reporting by Michael Holden; Editing by Steve Addison)
Logan Johnson
Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply
719 w. Nob Hill blvd.=3D20
Yakima Wa. 98902
(509) 469-6966
www.yakimavalleypottery.net
jonathan byler on tue 13 oct 09
the girl stuck her hands into thick plaster that was curing and =3D20
basically burned her fingers so bad they needed removing. gotta be =3D20
careful with that stuff.
On Oct 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Lou Raye Nichol wrote:
> I looked up the article but it had expired. What did it say?
>
> Lou Raye
>
>
> Lou Raye Nichol, PCC
> Business Coach Institute
> 919-303-5848
> louraye@businesscoachinstitute.com
> www.businesscoachinstitute.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan =3D20
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:09 PM
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Dangerous Plaster of Paris
>
> Hey Gang,This is an article I f
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> Hey Gang,This is an article I found just before I went to =3D2=
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> open
> the store I had to share it with the group since some of the latest
> discussions have been about safety in the studios with materials. =3D20
> I'm still
> too shocked to make a comment.Logan
>
> Here is the original link in case this doesn't show up on your =3D20
> computer :
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_fingers
>
> School fined as girl loses fingers in art lessonMon Oct 12, 2:59 pm ET
>
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> LONDON
> (Reuters) =3D96 A school in eastern England was ordered to pay 19,000 =3D=
20=3D
> pounds
> ($30,140) Monday after a 16-year-old girl lost nearly all her =3D20
> fingers when
> she put her hands in a bucket of plaster of Paris during an art =3D20
> lesson.
>
> The teen-ager was attempting to make a sculpture of her own hands =3D20
> during a
> lesson in January 2007 when the accident happened, Boston =3D20
> Magistrates' Court
> in Lincolnshire heard.
>
> The plaster set around her hands and neither staff nor paramedics =3D20
> could get
> it off during the lesson at Giles School, in Boston.
>
> The court was told that temperatures up to 60C can be generated in =3D20
> large
> quantities of plaster and the girl, who was not named in court, =3D20
> suffered
> terrible burns.
>
> After a series of 12 operations, she was left with no fingers on one =3D2=
0=3D
> hand
> and just two on the other.
>
> The school's governing body admitted breaching health and safety =3D20
> regulations
> and also failing to report the incident to the Health and Safety =3D20
> Executive
> (HSE).
>
> The court was told the HSE was never informed by the school about =3D20
> what had
> happened and only found out six weeks after the accident from the =3D20
> girl's
> plastic surgeon.
>
> The school was fined a total of 16,500 pounds and ordered to pay 2,500
> pounds in legal costs, the Press Association reported.
>
> The girl's lawyer Stephen Hill said outside court the injuries his =3D20
> client,
> now 18, had suffered were "truly horrific" and she also had severe =3D20
> scars all
> over her body where the plastic surgeons had taken skin for grafts.
>
> However, Hill said she was now doing "remarkably well."
>
> "She is a very determined, self sufficient character but she is now =3D20=
=3D
> only
> left with one forefinger and an index finger," he said.
>
> "Teachers have a responsibility to ensure when children are using =3D20
> chemicals
> they are used safely."
>
> (Reporting by Michael Holden; Editing by Steve Addison)
>
> Logan Johnson
> Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply
> 719 w. Nob Hill blvd.
> Yakima Wa. 98902
> (509) 469-6966
> www.yakimavalleypottery.net
Larry Kruzan on tue 13 oct 09
Hi Logan,
I wonder just how thickly the plaster was applied to her hands? In my =3D
final year of art school I did the same thing but since I was only =3D
casting one side of my hand I was able to extract my hand before any =3D
burns developed. I've very respectful of it ever since.
For what it's worth, my cast hands played a big part in my BFA show. I =3D
placed several sets all around the gallery positioned on pots like I was =
=3D
throwing, or as stands. I sure would not have wanted to lose my hands =3D
for my art though.
Larry Kruzan
Lost Creek Pottery
www.lostcreekpottery.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan =3D
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:09 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Dangerous Plaster of Paris
Hey Gang,This is an article I f
=3D20
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=3D20
Hey Gang,This is an article I found just before I went to =3D
open the store I had to share it with the group since some of the latest =
=3D
discussions have been about safety in the studios with materials. I'm =3D
still too shocked to make a comment.Logan
Here is the original link in case this doesn't show up on your computer =3D
:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_fingers
School fined as girl loses fingers in art lessonMon Oct 12, 2:59 pm ET
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LONDON
(Reuters) =3DE2=3D80=3D93 A school in eastern England was ordered to pay =
=3D
19,000
pounds ($30,140) Monday after a 16-year-old girl lost nearly all her
fingers when she put her hands in a bucket of plaster of Paris during an =
=3D
art lesson.
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The teen-ager was attempting to make a sculpture of her own hands during =
=3D
a lesson in January 2007 when the accident happened, Boston Magistrates' =
=3D
Court in Lincolnshire heard.
=3D20
The plaster set around her hands and neither staff nor paramedics could =3D
get it off during the lesson at Giles School, in Boston.
=3D20
The court was told that temperatures up to 60C can be generated in
large quantities of plaster and the girl, who was not named in court,
suffered terrible burns.
=3D20
After a series of 12 operations, she was left with no fingers on one =3D
hand and just two on the other.
=3D20
The school's governing body admitted breaching health and safety =3D
regulations and also failing to report the incident to the Health and =3D
Safety Executive (HSE).
=3D20
The court was told the HSE was never informed by the school about what
had happened and only found out six weeks after the accident from the
girl's plastic surgeon.
=3D20
The school was fined a total of 16,500 pounds and ordered to pay 2,500 =3D
pounds in legal costs, the Press Association reported.
=3D20
The girl's lawyer Stephen Hill said outside court the injuries his
client, now 18, had suffered were "truly horrific" and she also had
severe scars all over her body where the plastic surgeons had taken skin =
=3D
for grafts.
=3D20
However, Hill said she was now doing "remarkably well."
=3D20
"She is a very determined, self sufficient character but she is now only =
=3D
left with one forefinger and an index finger," he said.
=3D20
"Teachers have a responsibility to ensure when children are using =3D
chemicals they are used safely."
=3D20
(Reporting by Michael Holden; Editing by Steve Addison)
Logan Johnson=3D20
Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply=3D20
719 w. Nob Hill blvd.=3D20
Yakima Wa. 98902=3D20
(509) 469-6966=3D20
www.yakimavalleypottery.net
Gwynneth Rixon on wed 14 oct 09
Hi=3D2C as far as I understand=3D2C she had her hands in a bucket of plaste=
r
Gwynneth
> Date: Tue=3D2C 13 Oct 2009 20:07:51 -0500
> From: larry_kruzan@COMCAST.NET
> Subject: Re: Dangerous Plaster of Paris
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=3D20
> Hi Logan=3D2C
>=3D20
> I wonder just how thickly the plaster was applied to her hands? In my fin=
=3D
al year of art school I did the same thing but since I was only casting one=
=3D
side of my hand I was able to extract my hand before any burns developed. =
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I've very respectful of it ever since.
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> For what it's worth=3D2C my cast hands played a big part in my BFA show. =
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placed several sets all around the gallery positioned on pots like I was th=
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m=3D
y art though.
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> Larry Kruzan
> Lost Creek Pottery
> www.lostcreekpottery.com
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> From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan Johnso=
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n
> Sent: Tuesday=3D2C October 13=3D2C 2009 1:09 PM
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Dangerous Plaster of Paris
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> Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply=3D20
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Lis Allison on wed 14 oct 09
On Tuesday 13 October 2009, jonathan byler wrote:
> the girl stuck her hands into thick plaster that was curing and
> basically burned her fingers so bad they needed removing. gotta be
> careful with that stuff.
Being a nat'ral borned sceptic, I wonder about that a bit. I read the
article and it sounds kosher, but did nobody have a hammer and/or chisel?
Plaster doesn't heat up instantly, it takes 10 minutes or so, couldn't the
teacher have called for help and used some sort of tool to break the
plaster off? Setting plaster is fairly soft, too. Even hacking off large
chunks would have cooled it all down.
Also, when I was at the U. of Calgary we did a plaster project and some
Ajax decided to do the same (but only one hand) in spite of me telling him
what would happen. His hand too was stuck and it got painfully hot, but it
didn't cause actual burns. Our instructor refused to crack the plaster off
as he was afraid of breaking the guy's fingers, so we took him to
emergency and that is what they did anyway. His hand was red and sore, but
he didn't lose any skin. That too was a pailful of plaster, but probably a
smaller pail.
Another idiot thing I've heard of people doing with plaster is using hot
water to mix it. That gives an almost instant set and gets hotter while
setting than if you use cold.
Me, I just pour gallons of plaster into cottles that collapse.....
luckily, as I now know, plaster comes off cement floors very nicely.
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Randall Moody on wed 14 oct 09
>
> On Tuesday 13 October 2009, jonathan byler wrote:
> > the girl stuck her hands into thick plaster that was curing and
> > basically burned her fingers so bad they needed removing. gotta be
> > careful with that stuff.
>
I read this as less "dangerous Plaster of Paris" and more "dangerous idiot
teaching children". The vast majority of materials are not dangerous in and
of themselves.
--
Randall in Atlanta
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