David Hendley on wed 14 oct 09
Here's an interesting story in USA Today:
"Wood making comeback as power source"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-13-wood-power_N.htm
Wood power's rise is "meteoric," according to the article.
One wood-burning plant started up in 2007, seven in 2008
and a dozen in 2009, and dozens more are on the drawing
board.
Total output has risen from 8 megawatts in 2007 to a
projected 310 megawatts in 2009.
So, I'm now wondering if my wood kiln a hold-over
anachronism or riding the crest of a new movement?
I simply eliminate the electricity-producing middleman.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
jonathan byler on wed 14 oct 09
seems like a pretty short sighted answer to our energy problems.
unless they are burning waste wood that cannot be recycled into other
products.
On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:02 AM, David Hendley wrote:
> Here's an interesting story in USA Today:
> "Wood making comeback as power source"
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-13-wood-power_N.htm
>
> Wood power's rise is "meteoric," according to the article.
> One wood-burning plant started up in 2007, seven in 2008
> and a dozen in 2009, and dozens more are on the drawing
> board.
> Total output has risen from 8 megawatts in 2007 to a
> projected 310 megawatts in 2009.
>
> So, I'm now wondering if my wood kiln a hold-over
> anachronism or riding the crest of a new movement?
> I simply eliminate the electricity-producing middleman.
>
> David Hendley
> david@farmpots.com
> http://www.farmpots.com
Philip Poburka on wed 14 oct 09
Hi David, all...
Very nice...
I've had serious thoughts about converting my old Step Van's Fuel source to
be 'WoodGas'...
The Van has plenty of room inside or outside for a Wood Gas Generator...
Always heard good things about them, too...
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hendley"
> Here's an interesting story in USA Today:
> "Wood making comeback as power source"
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-13-wood-power_N.htm
>
> Wood power's rise is "meteoric," according to the article.
> One wood-burning plant started up in 2007, seven in 2008
> and a dozen in 2009, and dozens more are on the drawing
> board.
> Total output has risen from 8 megawatts in 2007 to a
> projected 310 megawatts in 2009.
>
> So, I'm now wondering if my wood kiln a hold-over
> anachronism or riding the crest of a new movement?
> I simply eliminate the electricity-producing middleman.
>
> David Hendley
> david@farmpots.com
> http://www.farmpots.com
Lee Love on wed 14 oct 09
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, jonathan byler wrote:
> seems like a pretty short sighted answer to our energy problems.
> unless they are burning waste wood that cannot be recycled into other
> products.
That is what they are doing at the co-generation plant in St. Paul.
They burn waste wood to generate electricity and heat. With natural
gas back up.
A friend of mine was in Jerry Brown's administration. He
helped get the first windmills put up in California. He showed me
plans for a woodfired electric generating plant that would have a
woodlot of fast growing poplar (harvest in 5 years) associated with it
. If you grow wood specifically for the purpose of fuel, you end up
taking a net 2/3rds carbon out of the air for every tree grown and
then burnt for fuel.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Phoenix Rising Farm on wed 14 oct 09
Phil:
WoodGas or "producer gas" was widely in use in Europe during WWII
due to petroleum shortages and comprised most of the gas delivered to
American homes then and later, until cheap and
abundant oil became widely available. (Yes, today, "cheap and abundant
oil" is an oxymoron.)
However, it contains high concentrations of Carbon Monoxide, methane and
nitrogen, and should NEVER
be "generated" in a closed environment.
Which is why you see woodgas operated vehicles towing the gasifier in a
trailer behind
the vehicle, or outside the passenger compartment, mounted to the rear
of the vehicle.
Never mount a gasifier where you can breathe the fumes in
concentration. It's just not good for you.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Philip Poburka wrote:
> Hi David, all...
>
>
>
> Very nice...
>
>
> I've had serious thoughts about converting my old Step Van's Fuel
> source to
> be 'WoodGas'...
>
>
> The Van has plenty of room inside or outside for a Wood Gas Generator...
>
>
> Always heard good things about them, too...
>
>
>
> Phil
> Lv
Paul Haigh on thu 15 oct 09
Phil, RE: woodgas conversion of a van...
I'm fascinated by woodgas engines (and have seen an online guide with
details about conversion), however I urge you not to consider this for a =
=3D
van
with the gasifier inside. Because they are designed to produce combustib=
=3D
le
products- they necessarily generate carbon monoxide in abundance, and wer=
=3D
e a
serious safety hazard when in use during WW2.
I have thought about buying an old generator and converting to wood, but
would of course keep it outside. Seriously cool project.
Paul Haigh
http://wileyhill.com
Philip Poburka on sat 17 oct 09
Hi Wayne,
You are right...thank you - I'd forgot about that...
Yes indeedy...all the old pictures I'd seen, the Wood Gas Generating Unit
was
always mounted
outside of the Vehicle, or, in a cut-a-way open to the outside, closed off
to the inside.
I sure like the idea..!
I drive like-a-little-old-lady anyway...and if in a lotsa Trees rural
situation, one of these set-ups, I could go for-ever...
Mmmmmmmmm...sounds nice...
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phoenix Rising Farm"
> Phil:
> WoodGas or "producer gas" was widely in use in Europe during WWII
> due to petroleum shortages and comprised most of the gas delivered to
> American homes then and later, until cheap and
> abundant oil became widely available. (Yes, today, "cheap and abundant
> oil" is an oxymoron.)
> However, it contains high concentrations of Carbon Monoxide, methane and
> nitrogen, and should NEVER
> be "generated" in a closed environment.
> Which is why you see woodgas operated vehicles towing the gasifier in a
> trailer behind
> the vehicle, or outside the passenger compartment, mounted to the rear
> of the vehicle.
> Never mount a gasifier where you can breathe the fumes in
> concentration. It's just not good for you.
>
> Best,
> Wayne Seidl
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