Eleanora Eden on fri 12 dec 97
Well suddenly my hands and neck are getting alot worse....have finally been
trying to work with a mirror on the wheel as the craning to the right is
now uncomfortable and limits my throwing and trimming time....any hints as
to how to get used to using the mirror....I find straight in front of me is
best....have always had wheel pointed to windows but suddenly I wish I had
it pointed to the wall with a huge mirror to see the windows and what I'm
doing too....as for my hands I have asked the few on this list who have
talked of beestings and bee cream....anybody know a supplier of bee venom
cream? Happy to talk privately to anybody who is dealing with these
problems. I have had some good results from bee stings but for obvious
reasons that is hard to face for long stretches....
TIA....Eleanora
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
John H. Rodgers on sat 13 dec 97
-- [ From: John H. Rodgers * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
Hi, Eleanora!
I sympathize with the arthritis problem. I have hand problems, but of
another kind, and there are some days I simply cannot throw.
I caught a bit of a program a while back on arthritis of the hands. Others
parts may have been included but didn't hear it. A woman doctor, a Doctor
Rogers or Rodgers, a sufferer of arthritis, reported on her work done with
arthritis, with herself as the subject. She worked on removing all
variations of any food from her diet that derived from the "Deadly
Nightshade" plant family. I think that includes potatoes and tomatoes, plus
some others probably. Anyway, after a three month period of being on that
nightshade free diet her hands began to improve. Before and after pictures
of her hands were shown. The difference was amazing. The swelling was gone,
the twisted fingers had straightened, and pain was gone. I wish I could tell
you more, but this is all I have. You may want to pursue this and get more
information. I am not certain, but I think the doctor's first name way Mary.
Good luck
-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
Date: Friday, 12-Dec-97 08:32 AM
From: Eleanora Eden \ Internet: (eden@sover.net)
To: CLAYART LIST \ Internet: (clayart@lsv.uky.edu)
Subject: arthritis
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Well suddenly my hands and neck are getting alot worse....have finally been
trying to work with a mirror on the wheel as the craning to the right is now
uncomfortable and limits my throwing and trimming time....any hints as to
how to get used to using the mirror....I find straight in front of me is
best....have always had wheel pointed to windows but suddenly I wish I had
it pointed to the wall with a huge mirror to see the windows and what I'm
doing too....as for my hands I have asked the few on this list who have
talked of beestings and bee cream....anybody know a supplier of bee venom
cream? Happy to talk privately to anybody who is dealing with these
problems. I have had some good results from bee stings but for obvious
reasons that is hard to face for long stretches....
TIA....Eleanora
Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 eden@sover.net
-------- REPLY, End of original message --------
Leslie McPherson on sun 14 dec 97
Eleanora...
It's true what John says about the nightshade family, I have a little
athritis in my neck from some skeletal problems. My chiopractor turned me
onto this...and let me tell you it works, when I eat tomatoes my muscles go
beserk! It builds up in ones system the more you eat it....the toxic
substance in these nightshade vegtables contain sotanine which interferes
with the enzymes in the muscles.
Milk is also not good, the vitamin D causes sore joints, and red meat and
sugar do not help either. A little bit of these things are okay now and
then but not as a steady in the diet.
And.... all foods that are high in oxalates will also aggrevate the
muscles. It is too long of a list to list here, but if you are really
interested please contact me and I could fax it to you. It has helped me
considerably along with a back swing which has helped ALOT!
Also...melon, papaya, pineapple help calm down the muscles...
Good luck...
Leslie
Melinda Douberly on tue 16 dec 97
I am interested in the list of nightshade families.....I have arthritis and
maybe Shogrens, maybe fibromyagia, Needless to sayI could use any info...I
have had to drop shows in cold weather and I had to move south from Wis.
I'm using traditional medicine with anything else... I am a clay sculptural
artist, luckily no wheel throwing. Unfortuanatly, I am a professional and
make my living and a living for my children off my art therefore any
arthritis info would be greatly appreciated............Just joined clayart,
Lots of
intesting discussion and great info. Happy to know there is help out there
if I need it. Jody
At 11:55 AM 12/14/97 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Eleanora...
>
>It's true what John says about the nightshade family, I have a little
>athritis in my neck from some skeletal problems. My chiopractor turned me
>onto this...and let me tell you it works, when I eat tomatoes my muscles go
>beserk! It builds up in ones system the more you eat it....the toxic
>substance in these nightshade vegtables contain sotanine which interferes
>with the enzymes in the muscles.
>
>Milk is also not good, the vitamin D causes sore joints, and red meat and
>sugar do not help either. A little bit of these things are okay now and
>then but not as a steady in the diet.
>
>And.... all foods that are high in oxalates will also aggrevate the
>muscles. It is too long of a list to list here, but if you are really
>interested please contact me and I could fax it to you. It has helped me
>considerably along with a back swing which has helped ALOT!
>
>Also...melon, papaya, pineapple help calm down the muscles...
>
>Good luck...
>
>Leslie
>
GURUSHAKTI on wed 17 dec 97
Some nightshade plants: eggplant, tomato, pepper, potato.
A good herbal help for arthritis is devil's claw, available at just about any
health food store. Vit e in large doses for short periods can also be very
helpful. Another herbal complex of Glucosamine sulfate and Chondroiden (not
sure of the spelling here) can also be helpful. I would also take other immune
system building things like Mexican yam, colloidal silver. If you're over 40
dhea would also be good to take. It gets rid of those over 40 muscle aches and
gives energy boost as well.
Going on a detoxifying diet for a while can also help - lots of carrot juice
with some parsley, apple and a segment of grapefruit added when making the
juice. Start the morning with a 12oz glass for breakfast. Eat fresh green
beans once or twice a day, steamed or added to salad, fresh fruits and as many
raw veggies or steamed veggies as possible as well as natural brown rice for
grain and carbohydrates. Give up meat, alcohol,sugar, caffeine and processed
foods for a month while following the above diet. Drink great amounts of pure
water with fresh lemon added to it. You can use tofu for protein. Also take a
good b-multiple vitamin and lots of vitamin c (3-5000 units a day),as well.
Another thing very, very helpful with detoxing is to do enemas one to three a
day, to clean the bowel and allow better absorption.
I have a friend who had severed rheumatoid arthritis and followed a similar
regime as above for a year and the rheumatoid arthritis left and has never
returned. She still has some of the deformation of some joints from it, but
the pain and degeneration has stopped.
And last, but not least, in a spiritual sense, arthritis is often related to
resentment. So it wouldn't hurt to check out ones emotional state and clear
that as well.
Regards,
June
kinoko@junction.net on wed 17 dec 97
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I am interested in the list of nightshade families.....I have arthritis and
>maybe Shogrens, maybe fibromyagia, Needless to sayI could use any info...I
>have had to drop shows in cold weather and I had to move south from Wis.
>I'm using traditional medicine with anything else... I am a clay sculptural
>artist, luckily no wheel throwing. Unfortuanatly, I am a professional and
>make my living and a living for my children off my art therefore any
>arthritis info would be greatly appreciated............Just joined clayart,
>Lots of
>intesting discussion and great info. Happy to know there is help out there
>if I need it. Jody
>At 11:55 AM 12/14/97 EST, you wrote:
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>Eleanora...
>>
>>It's true what John says about the nightshade family, I have a little
>>athritis in my neck from some skeletal problems. My chiopractor turned me
>>onto this...and let me tell you it works, when I eat tomatoes my muscles go
>>beserk! It builds up in ones system the more you eat it....the toxic
>>substance in these nightshade vegtables contain sotanine which interferes
>>with the enzymes in the muscles.
>>
>>Milk is also not good, the vitamin D causes sore joints, and red meat and
>>sugar do not help either. A little bit of these things are okay now and
>>then but not as a steady in the diet.
>>
>>And.... all foods that are high in oxalates will also aggrevate the
>>muscles. It is too long of a list to list here, but if you are really
>>interested please contact me and I could fax it to you. It has helped me
>>considerably along with a back swing which has helped ALOT!
>>
>>Also...melon, papaya, pineapple help calm down the muscles...
>>
>>Good luck...
>>
>>Leslie
>>
>With similar problems,in the United States I was warned by the physicians
not to eat milk or milk products.....Didn't work. I Japan,i was warned
against eating red meat.....stick to fish and rice. Maybe some relief.
Now,except for a little chicken and a little fish and lots of vegetables
which we raise ourselves, life is far more tolerable. Excercise,excercise in
moderation using the entire body. Yes, it hurts but,a simple diet and lots
of excercise goes a long way to a degree of comfort. With Nightshade plants,
some people are affected and some are not. My personal feeling is that it is
the processing of food which has the debilitating effect. kinoko/
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Sandra Dwiggins on wed 17 dec 97
Eleonora/John--
I've had arthritis in my knees for many years, and it's now all over--my
back, my feet!, you name it. My body creeks and cracks, groans and
moans when I move--and hurts alot---but I don't stop moving---or
throwing, or standing around...
There is a doc in New Jersey that my rheumatologist (arthritis MD, and
he's great!) told me about who believes that diet is the key to curing
yourself of arthritis. He's published several papers. I'm sure you all will
want the name and the papers, so I will put it on the list when I can call
up the bibliography. There are also several books which talk about best
food to eat, etc. Jean Carper has written several on this topic--"The
Food Pharmacy" is one of the best. Not only are tomatoes and
eggplant(nightshade stuff) but also greenpeppers. Ginger is one of the
best things--chili peppers are another. Capsicin, the new thing that
relieves joint pain is really refined concentrated chili peppers. I just read
another book that points to Glucosamine supplements--I'm just about to
try them. The Food Pharmacy has a list of foods you should not eat, and
a list of foods you should. There is a whole chapter devoted to arthritis.
By the way, I have also tried acupressure techniques and QuiJong
techniques--which work, too and they are not invasive. There is a book
by a Chinese MD titled QuiJong for Arthritis--all techniques clearly
illustrated. Some very excellent techniques for painful fingers, hands
and wrists.
Sandy--
Sitting in her office with her foot elevated...but going to the studio
tonight....
Paul and c2 on thu 18 dec 97
Has anyone tried acupuncture? I don't have arthritis, but one time I hurt
my lower back, it was so painful I couldn't stand up. So I went to my
nearby acupunturist and in 45 minutes I was as good as new. I went back a
couple more times and my back completely healed. I have heard experiment
on arthritis dogs who couldn't walk, and they could walk again after
treatment.
Caroline Cheng
Then Pottery Workshop
Hong Kong
Robert Speirs, M.D. 12 4450 on fri 19 dec 97
I kept reading the posts on arthritis remedies thinking that the
arthritis in my hip isn't the same as in the fingers...well Duh. It's
all joint inflammation, right? So, I am happy to share what helped me.
I have suffered from this hip for years and had taken about a mountain
of ibuprophen day after day w/o much relief at all. I could hardly
sleep it was so painful - couldn't find a comfortable position. Then
one day I mentioned it to my herbalist who was giving me stuff for other
things. I never thought to mention it to her in all the years I'd been
going to her. She gave me GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE and CHONDROITIN. I swear
to you that within 2 days I was 60% better and after a few weeks the hip
NEVER hurts. I couldn't believe it, honestly!
Well, for what it's worth....maybe it'll help you. It's a bit spendy,
but for this pain relief I'd sell my body to get money to pay for
it!! :-)
Laura in Oregon
speirsro@adams.mts.kpnw.org
Cindy Morley on mon 22 dec 97
> going to her. She gave me GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE and CHONDROITIN. I swear
> to you that within 2 days I was 60% better and after a few weeks the hip
> NEVER hurts. I couldn't believe it, honestly!
>
> Well, for what it's worth....maybe it'll help you. It's a bit spendy,
> but for this pain relief I'd sell my body to get money to pay for
> it!! :-)
A doctor friend of mine recommended that for me as well. He swears by it
and uses it himself. I've tried it and so have several of my friends who
have arthritis and/or joint pains and everyone absolutely loves it.
He also told me that my pain wasn't as sever I should try Knox Gelitin
disolved in a cup of Orange Juice (the kind with Calcium added). Drink a
cup of that every morning and it does the same thing, but for someone with
less severe pain. It is also considerably cheaper. I started out with
the glacosamine and then after a couple months switched to a the knox
gelitin for maintinance. I can deffinatly tell a big difference!
Cindy Morley
Fayetteville AR
>
> Laura in Oregon
> speirsro@adams.mts.kpnw.org
>
Chris Trabka on tue 23 dec 97
Cindy Morley wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > going to her. She gave me GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE and CHONDROITIN. I swear
> > to you that within 2 days I was 60% better and after a few weeks the hip
> > NEVER hurts. I couldn't believe it, honestly!
> >
> > Well, for what it's worth....maybe it'll help you. It's a bit spendy,
> > but for this pain relief I'd sell my body to get money to pay for
> > it!! :-)
>
> A doctor friend of mine recommended that for me as well. He swears by it
> and uses it himself. I've tried it and so have several of my friends who
> have arthritis and/or joint pains and everyone absolutely loves it.
>
> He also told me that my pain wasn't as sever I should try Knox Gelitin
> disolved in a cup of Orange Juice (the kind with Calcium added). Drink a
> cup of that every morning and it does the same thing, but for someone with
> less severe pain. It is also considerably cheaper. I started out with
> the glacosamine and then after a couple months switched to a the knox
> gelitin for maintinance. I can deffinatly tell a big difference!
>
> Cindy Morley
> Fayetteville AR
>
> >
> > Laura in Oregon
> > speirsro@adams.mts.kpnw.org
> >
My wife, who is not a potter, was having a lot of aches and pains in her
joints. She was introduced to a suppliment known as MSM
(methylsulfanylmethane). It is generally given to horses. She takes 1
teaspoon in her coffee in the mornings and has had great relief from her
aches and pains. Those of you who are suffering may wish to consult with
your physician about using this supplement. My wife gets it from a tack
shop.
Chris
Lesley Alexander on thu 18 jun 98
Recommended: "The Arthritis Cure" by Theodakis and other MDs. For
prevention or relief or even cure. An excellent explanation, overview,
commonsense advice about osteoarthritis, plus a thorough discussion of
glycosamine and chonroitin. Available in paperback for $6.50 and well worth
it, the sooner the better.
Lesley Alexander on fri 19 jun 98
Recommended: "The Arthritis Cure" by Theodakis and other MDs. For
prevention or relief or even cure. An excellent explanation, overview,
commonsense advice about osteoarthritis, plus a thorough discussion of
glycosamine and chonroitin. Available in paperback for $6.50 and well worth
it, the sooner the better.
Tyler Hannigan on fri 19 jun 98
I haven't read this book, but I can pass on some dramatic personal experience
and the lesson learned. The impact on the creative, productive and positive
mental attitude of a potter of even the early stages of Arthritis can be
extremely depressing. It's a bummer
thinking your productive time is becoming more and more limited.
O K, to placate a close friend I went along with a "test". No potatoes for one
month.
Easy enough. Well during this time there was a marked reduction in swelling and
pain. I was able to work more comfortable and my spirits rose . So, perhaps
just a good period? Then, I ate a baked potato. Bingo! within hours the
swelling, pain and discomfort returned. It is possible that some of us are just
allergic to potatoes - or?
Potatoes are part of the Night Shade family of plants which also includes
tomatoes and chilies. I've cut back on these as well, consider I live in New
Mexico I'm doing pretty good. This is an easy, cost free test which may or may
not be effective for you.
Tyler Hannigan
Silverhawk Craft Realm
http://www.silverhawk.com/tssa/cm/thann/
Lesley Alexander wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Recommended: "The Arthritis Cure" by Theodakis and other MDs. For
> prevention or relief or even cure. An excellent explanation, overview,
> commonsense advice about osteoarthritis, plus a thorough discussion of
> glycosamine and chonroitin. Available in paperback for $6.50 and well worth
> it, the sooner the better.
--
Tyler Hannigan
Silverhawk Craft Realm
http://www.silverhawk.com/crafts
EDWIN GOULD on mon 22 jun 98
For those taking glucosamine to promote cartilage growth......the most
inexpensive source of glucosamine/chondroitin can be obtained at
nutrasense 1-800-350-7027. Note that the dosage of each capsule is
twice that of others so you take but 3 capsules per day.
Bobbi Bassett on wed 24 jun 98
Cheers
Do you find that the Glucosamine-Chondroiton helps ? If so have you
investigated Nutrasense for purity, etc. Please let us know your findings.
There are so many pill mills out there. And "the truth is out there".
An Xphile
Bobbi, PA, USA
Cindy Strnad on wed 24 jan 01
I posted this privately to Earl, and then got to thinking it might help
someone else on the list, too.
Usual disclaimers: Don't do any of this without your doctor's advice. I'm
not a doctor of any kind and am reporting from a book, so don't take my
words as god-like or anything. That said, I do hope some of these ideas may
help some of you who are suffering from arthritis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Earl.
I've been reading your replies and it looks like you're swamped. I've come
up with some more specific information, and also some information I haven't
seen posted, so I thought I'd go ahead and write anyhow.
First, as I'm sure you're aware, none of the NSAIDS or other pain drugs
mentioned are without serious side effects. That doesn't mean you shouldn't
take them, but I'd avoid it if possible. A better alternative, suggested by
some, and if your joints don't respond to less invasive therapies, is joint
replacement. Any moveable joint in the body can be replaced, and usually
with good success. Fingers included. So if it gets bad enough, you do have
that alternative.
Dosages for Glucosamine Sulfate (make sure it's sulfate, and not some other
form):
500 mg 3 times a day before meals for 6 months,
then 500-1000 mg per day. Return to original dosage if pain comes back.
(Dr. Walter Crinnion, ND, of Kirkland, WA)
Turmeric: "In therapeutic doses, turmeric works as well as NSAIDs to reduce
the pain and inflammation of arthritis." ~~James Braley, MD, of Boca Raton,
FL.
One of the active substances is curcumin, available in capsules. Compliments
glucosamine--the two enhance one another's effectiveness. May also block
formation of some kinds of tumors. Follow package directions.
Ginger: Scientifically proven anti-inflammatory powers. (Dr. Braley)
Preferable to eat fresh and raw. Chop into salads, also good in cooked
dishes. May be taken as supplement . . . look for a standardized product and
follow package directions. "Take it until your arthritis symptoms subside
completely."
Mahanarayan Oil: Topical treatment for temporary relief of symptoms. (Swami
Sada Shiva Tirtha, Ayurveda Holistic Center, Bayville, NY) "Rub a light
coating on the skin as you would massage oil."
Guggul: "Can relieve pain within a day or two." Swami Tirtha. Take 1/4 tsp
tincture with 1/2 tsp water 30 minutes before meals three times a day.
Fatty acids:
alpha-linolenic acid (LNA)
eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA)
docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)
gamma-linolenic acid (GLA)
Help reverse some symptoms and complications of both osteo and rheumatoid
arthritis, including inflammation, pain, weakened immune system, and low
stress resistance.
"It is almost unbelievable how important these recommendations are to
relieving arthritis. If patients don't follow them, they are not going to
get better." (Gus Prosch, MD, Birmingham)
Recommendations:
cold water fish 3 times a week and/or
fish oil capsules 6,000 mg (6 g) per day for 4-6 months
(expect a wait of 3-4 months for results)
then reduce dose to 3 grams/day
take capsules frozen if burping becomes a problem
best to take at bedtime to avoid fishy smell
Source of DHA and EPA
1 tbsp flaxseed oil/day (Lauri Aesoph, ND, Sioux Falls)
Use in salad dressings or any other non-cooked food
Available in capsule form: 5,000 mg/day or follow package directions.
Source of LNA
Evening Primrose:
6 capsules, of 240-270 mg GLA, daily (Dr. Prosch)
Source of GLA
Avoid: Hydrogenated oils. Interfere with metabolism of fatty acids. Found in
margarine, peanut butter, most cooking oils, many processed products such as
snack chips, baked goods, salad dressings. (Natural, freshly ground peanut
butter is okay) Avoid any food with "hydrogenated" in its ingredient label.
(Dr. Prosch)
Also recommended:
Acupuncture
Hara Breathing
Pressure point therapy
Relaxation exercises
This all came from "Alternative Cures" by Bill Gottlieb, Rodale Press,
copyright 2000, isbn 1-57954-058-9. I hope some of it is helpful, or at
least interesting. Let us know how you're getting on.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
PERRY STEARNS on tue 30 jan 01
My concern is for folk like myself who must do hard work to make =
pursuing their art or craft a satisfying activity. The Lancet report on =
glucosamine Sandra refers to is longitudinal, meaning one must take this =
cartilaginous extract for a long time to get, on a very random, most =
uncertain, basis a small effect when it does occur, as the researchers =
clearly report it. Not a good idea for people who want to work and enjoy =
life, too. Belly up to the bar, do as your specialists tell you. =
That's usually hard enough.
(I ignore the wholly hidden source of glucosamine product, which could =
be from British beef, for all anyone knows reading the labels. Bovine =
spongiforme encephalitis is transmitted by an agent, a folded prion, =
that is not killed by sterilization. ) =20
Steve Mills on thu 1 feb 01
In message , PERRY STEARNS writes
>
>(I ignore the wholly hidden source of glucosamine product, which could =
>be from British beef, for all anyone knows reading the labels. Bovine =
>spongiforme encephalitis is transmitted by an agent, a folded prion, =
>that is not killed by sterilization. ) =20
I have to comment here.
BSE was/is largely caused by wholly improper supplementary *foodstuffs*
fed to cattle in a misguided attempt to reduce costs and therefore
increase profit.
This is a Global attitude!
Purely organic grass fed Cattle do not suffer from this problem. This is
not an entirely UK problem, as Europe is now in the throes of a BSE
crisis. In the UK the stable door is now shut, albeit belatedly, the
rest will follow eventually. Vegetarians (I am not one) are probably
safest, but we all have to be careful, unless of course we are wholly
self sufficient, which these days is very difficult to achieve.
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on thu 1 feb 01
Not all glucosamine comes from Bovine Cartilage. Also, this study is a
milestone. there is so little acceptance of any alternative treatments by
most MD's that most patients who take these "nostrums" to use a favorite
perjorative term of nonbelievers, never tell their mds's they are taking
alternative supplements or going to other types of non-traditional
practitioners.
All of us who do hard work to pursue their craft will, I think, do whatever
is necessary to make their lives healthier, happier, and pain free.
Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PERRY STEARNS [SMTP:flstearns@WORLDNET.ATT.NET]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:00 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Arthritis
>
> My concern is for folk like myself who must do hard work to make pursuing
> their art or craft a satisfying activity. The Lancet report on
> glucosamine Sandra refers to is longitudinal, meaning one must take this
> cartilaginous extract for a long time to get, on a very random, most
> uncertain, basis a small effect when it does occur, as the researchers
> clearly report it. Not a good idea for people who want to work and enjoy
> life, too. Belly up to the bar, do as your specialists tell you. That's
> usually hard enough.
>
> (I ignore the wholly hidden source of glucosamine product, which could be
> from British beef, for all anyone knows reading the labels. Bovine
> spongiforme encephalitis is transmitted by an agent, a folded prion, that
> is not killed by sterilization. )
>
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Earl Brunner on sat 13 apr 02
Wilson, how you deal with it depends in large part on what type of arthritis
you
have. And even then, how arthritis affects you varies from person to
person. Do
you have osteoarthritis or rheumatoid?
Being informed helps, I really found a lot of information at this website:
http://www.arthritisinsight.com
I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis a little over a year ago, for
awhile it
was a really rough go, but things are much better now. Treatments and
options are
better than they have ever been. For awhile my future with clay looked
pretty
bleak. Things are better now. I may have to trade wedging in for a
deairing
pugmill down the road a bit, But hey, now I have a medical excuse!
> Wilson wrote: The new issue is the recently diagnosed arthritis in my
> hands. I would like to hear from any potters with this condition so I know
> a little more of what I might expect.
>
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
Jennifer Buckner on sat 13 apr 02
Wilson wrote: The new issue is the recently diagnosed arthritis in my
hands. I would like to hear from any potters with this condition so I know
a little more of what I might expect.
Wilson, my sympathies. I know only too well how painful arthritis can
be. A few years ago, when I was in my late forties, I developed
osteo-arthritis in the distal (closest to the nails) knuckles of my
fingers. The pain was surprisingly acute - shaking hands was something I
dreaded, and if I accidently knocked my hand, the pain almost brought tears
to my eyes. However, and here's the good news, a cousin told me that she
went through the same thing as those ugly swollen bumps were developing on
the knuckles, but once they'd developed, the pain was dramatically
reduced. Sure enough, the same thing happened in my case. I was able to
stop taking anti-inflammatories and haven't had to give up any of my
activities (stained glass and pottery). Hang in there.
Jennifer
Jennifer G. Buckner jenniverre@pgtv.net
Martin Howard on sun 14 apr 02
A good solution to arthritis can be found with homeopathy.
If you have trouble finding a local one to help you, you can use your own
resources.
Urine is your own personal homeopathic remedy, IMHO.
Soak the hands in it, or go on to drinking it (with some cold water to start
with if you like). It can have some remarkable properties.
And it doesn't cost anything.
Martin Howard
Webbs Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
01371 850 423
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
http://www.webbscottage.co.uk
Updated 3rd March 2002
e wilson farrington on sun 14 apr 02
Thanks for all the positive input. FYI, the type of arthritis I have is =
supposedly an inherited form of osteoarthritis that runs down the female =
side of the family. As an adopted child, I have no idea what my =
biological mother's hands were like, but it's possible that they had the =
large, swollen lumps that Jennifer described. Mine are only slightly =
like that now. As for soaking my hands in urine--well now! That's =
something I haven't even considered. But if Martin says it works, well, =
I may just give it a try. I had friends back in the 80's who were into =
the whole urine-drinking thing. They swore by it. Never tried it myself. =
Surely this will inspire a whole new thread.... Thanks again for the =
input!--Wilson=20
Charles Moore on sun 14 apr 02
Wilson,
A few months ago there was a very useful thread about arthritis treatment,
which you can find on the Clayart archives.
Charles Moore
Earl Brunner wrote:
> Being informed helps, I really found a lot of information at this website:
> http://www.arthritisinsight.com
>
> I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis a little over a year ago, for
awhile it
> was a really rough go, but things are much better now. Treatments and
options are
> better than they have ever been. For awhile my future with clay looked
pretty
> bleak. Things are better now. I may have to trade wedging in for a
deairing
> pugmill down the road a bit, But hey, now I have a medical excuse!
>
>
> > Wilson wrote: The new issue is the recently diagnosed arthritis in my
> > hands. I would like to hear from any potters with this condition so I
know
> > a little more of what I might expect.
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
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bruec@anv.net on sun 14 apr 02
Actually Martin has been down this thread before....
I think you can get urea commercially without actually using fresh pee...
I know that in India it is a practice that some follow.
I don't know, I'd have a hard timne with it. :)
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From: e wilson farrington farringtonceramics@SUSCOM.NET
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:51:32 -0400
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: arthritis
Thanks for all the positive input. FYI, the type of arthritis I have is
supposedly an inherited form of osteoarthritis th=
at runs down the female side of the family. As an adopted child, I have no
idea what my biological mother's hands were li=
ke, but it's possible that they had the large, swollen lumps that Jennifer
described. Mine are only slightly like that no=
w. As for soaking my hands in urine--well now! That's something I haven't
even considered. But if Martin says it works, w=
ell, I may just give it a try. I had friends back in the 80's who were into
the whole urine-drinking thing. They swore by=
it. Never tried it myself. Surely this will inspire a whole new thread....
Thanks again for the input!--Wilson
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Ann Semple on sun 14 apr 02
Hi Wilson,
you were asking about how others deal with arthritis, and I guess the answer
is - as best we can. I am now 53, have had total hip replacements on both
hips because of osteo-arthritis, my vertebrae have varying degrees of OA
with the cervical and lumbar ones being the worst. My hands have bad days
and useless days, with the right thumb joint swollen and pretty inflexible,
and various fingers more or less affected. And there's the ankles and toes.
I take Vioxx, and it helps a lot.
I also talk glucosamine sulphate with chondroitin which also helps (although
the anti inflammatory drugs apparently work against the Glucosamine, I can't
manage if I don't take it)
I do stretching and strengthening exercises.
I'd help my hips a lot if I lost weight.
I bought a de-airing Peter Pugger to take that stress off my hands.
And I do pottery because I love it, and doing what you love makes everything
easier. ..
But I don't use my hands as hammers any more. - Perhaps it's time to get a
slab roller?
Ann
annsemple@shaw.ca
Cindi Anderson on mon 18 aug 03
I am sorry for your medical troubles (hopefully you can stand a little
sympathy). The really sad part is that it has been proven those medications
are no more effective than aspirin and don't protect your stomach any better
either. Notice you haven't been bombarded with ads about them lately?
Because the FDA made them stop saying it.
The irony is that COX2's are proving to be very beneficial for certain
cancers, but most doctors don't know about that use, and is being studied
for other illnesses (Alzheimers and Huntingtons for example). But for
arthritis it is just a big rip-off.
I don't want to start a big controversy, but the drug companies are running
wild and there are many natural remedies that work better than drugs but
don't get advertised because they are not on patent. So let me just
recommend to anyone with health issues that they look up their health
conditions at LEF.org. They have the best research I have seen about
treating all types of illnesses, covering medications and natural
substances. I spend several hours a day doing medical research, and very
little turns up that doesn't turn up at LEF.
Cindi
Tony Ferguson on mon 18 aug 03
Tom,
You seriously want to check out www.Eniva.com. My family has finally
starting using some of the products and my mother appears to soon be a
walking tesimonial of the effectiveness of their products. Email me off the
list and I can give you more information regarding what products may be able
to help you. We've been taking the supplements for over a year now and can't
believe the difference--the "Flex" takes my joint swelling down right away.
The company and the applied science of their products are legit. They work!
People of all ages all over the country with everything from Fibro to Lupus,
arthritis, joint problems, people who are needing to rebuild their bodies
after serious trama, etc,etc, are swearing by it. I'm not a pusher, just
happy to actually find something that helps tremendously.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
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by Coleman, Ferguson, Winchester...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Sawyer"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: Arthritis
> Just got back from a week long canoe trip in Canada - Terrific.
>
> Thought about writing this while gone. I hadn't said anything because I
> didn't want a bunch of sympathy. Shit happens and you have to learn to
live
> with it. However, I thought I would post this hopping to keep someone else
> healthy. Like many potters and aging folks, I've had arthiritis for
several
> years. Finally, about 10 months ago I began taking vioxx 12.5 mgm a day
and
> it seemed to help for a while. When I began having more trouble, I
increased
> the dose to 25 mgm/day. [yes I talked with my doctor and yes I even go
> regularly - you know the old adage about a doctor that cares for himself
has
> a fool forr a patient]. On the 4th of July weekend, I awoke and noticed I
> couldn't see clearly out of my left eye. I thought I probably had a
detached
> retina and early Monday morning I was seen by a local ophthalmologist.
After
> examining me, he asked how long I have been hypertensive. I honestly
thought
> he was kidding; I never had pressure over 140/90 and usually ran 130/75;
in
> fact I had checked my pressure about 3 weeks before and it was within
normal
> range. Turned out my pressure was 190/110 and I had hypertensive
retinopathy
> with a retinal vein thrombosis [an eye stroke]. On investigation, vioxx
and
> celebrex have been implicated in causing blood clots, cerebral strokes,
> heart attacks and I discovered retinal vein thrombosis. What's bad about
the
> later is that there is no specific treatment and the visual loss is
> permanent. I apparently was fortunate in having lost only about 70-80% of
my
> vision in my left eye. Another bumber is that not only is there the visual
> loss in acuity but a difference in depth perception between my two eyes.
> Needless to say, I immediately quit taking the vioxx and my pressure has
> been completely normal. To protect my right eye, I also started taking a
> mild anti-hypertensive which I am uncertain I need and may test. Anyway be
> careful with the Cox-2 inhibitors. I increased my MSN and glucosamine and
> believe this is helping the arthritis. Good news, I tested myself and
> although I can't read with my bad eye, I can still make decent pots with
my
> good eye closed. Sex is same and wine still tastes good. Right after this
> happened, I did quit drinking my glass or two of evening wine - even wrote
> mel I was quiting - but golly damn man's gotta live and my pressures
> remaining normal.
>
> Tom Sawyer
> tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
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Tom Sawyer on mon 18 aug 03
Just got back from a week long canoe trip in Canada - Terrific.
Thought about writing this while gone. I hadn't said anything because I
didn't want a bunch of sympathy. Shit happens and you have to learn to live
with it. However, I thought I would post this hopping to keep someone else
healthy. Like many potters and aging folks, I've had arthiritis for several
years. Finally, about 10 months ago I began taking vioxx 12.5 mgm a day and
it seemed to help for a while. When I began having more trouble, I increased
the dose to 25 mgm/day. [yes I talked with my doctor and yes I even go
regularly - you know the old adage about a doctor that cares for himself has
a fool forr a patient]. On the 4th of July weekend, I awoke and noticed I
couldn't see clearly out of my left eye. I thought I probably had a detached
retina and early Monday morning I was seen by a local ophthalmologist. After
examining me, he asked how long I have been hypertensive. I honestly thought
he was kidding; I never had pressure over 140/90 and usually ran 130/75; in
fact I had checked my pressure about 3 weeks before and it was within normal
range. Turned out my pressure was 190/110 and I had hypertensive retinopathy
with a retinal vein thrombosis [an eye stroke]. On investigation, vioxx and
celebrex have been implicated in causing blood clots, cerebral strokes,
heart attacks and I discovered retinal vein thrombosis. What's bad about the
later is that there is no specific treatment and the visual loss is
permanent. I apparently was fortunate in having lost only about 70-80% of my
vision in my left eye. Another bumber is that not only is there the visual
loss in acuity but a difference in depth perception between my two eyes.
Needless to say, I immediately quit taking the vioxx and my pressure has
been completely normal. To protect my right eye, I also started taking a
mild anti-hypertensive which I am uncertain I need and may test. Anyway be
careful with the Cox-2 inhibitors. I increased my MSN and glucosamine and
believe this is helping the arthritis. Good news, I tested myself and
although I can't read with my bad eye, I can still make decent pots with my
good eye closed. Sex is same and wine still tastes good. Right after this
happened, I did quit drinking my glass or two of evening wine - even wrote
mel I was quiting - but golly damn man's gotta live and my pressures
remaining normal.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
A
Susan Setley on tue 19 aug 03
I have a potter friend who has arthritis in her hands. She uses special tools
for opening the clay, because that is the movement that give her the most
discomfort. The rest she can do.
Look for tools that can help you do what you do. I am looking for a way to
wedge clay without having to bend my right wrist a lot. Any suggestions, anyone?
John Rodgers on tue 19 aug 03
Tom, sorry to hear of this medical mishap. I know what it is like to
suffere reduced vision and loss of depth perception.
I have suffered the development of epimacular proliferation ... crinkled
cellphane-like scar tissue protruding over the macula, and along with it
lots of floaters to cloud the view. Results has been heavy distortion
of vision ... makes the eye useless for the most part. But I do pretty
good with the bad eye shut. For some of my detail work, I flip a patch
down over it. However in my case, there appears to be a surgical
correction possible. The surgery will take care of removal of the
scar, and the floaters at the same time. Short, 45 min, but nasty
surgery in my estimation. 80 percent recovery of vision in two weeks,
100 per cent in 12 months, all things being equal.
In the meantime, I take a daily multi-vitamin with Luten, specifically
at the direction of my opthomologist. I'm also on hypertensive
medications as well. On top of those is added a 325 mg aspirin tablet
daily, specifically at my doctors orders. My pressures were so high that
my vision was distorted in both eyes at first, but the right eye settled
down as the pressure dropped. Left one had the scar however, from some
"medical incident" which has yet to be defined. But apparently it is
"repairable".
I suggest you do a massive amount of research on the internet about your
condition, and to a point seek your own solutions. I did, and discovered
that where I have been going for treatment, they do not use the latest
techniques for eye surgery. Newer better techniques are available, but
yet were not being used. Very disturbing. Education is the key to
protecting yourself, and maintaining ones health.
I am a diabetic. Was diagnosed a year ago. I have been studying this
metabolic disorder from day one. The diagnosis scared the hell out of
me. Got me off my complacency. And I have been researching ever since. I
have discovered that the medical world, for all it does know, knows
little about diabetes. Yes, they can diagnose it, and they can help a
bit, but a diabetic I discovered, has to find his own salvation. If you
have 100 diabetics, you have 100 different kinds of diabetics cases
that require 100 different kinds and degrees of treatment. In the
beginning, with me, I was mis-informed, and was getting the wrong
treatment --- for me. I found through my own reading extensively, what
works for me. It wouldn't necessarily apply to someone else, but the
point is, read, read, read.
Get a second opinion about your eye situation, and do a lot of reasearch
of the literature and on the "net. You may well find some solutions you
didn't think possible, or were not told about. Also, get yourself a
blood pressure cuff and check your blood pressure regularly. When blood
pressure is up, so is interocular pressure.
One thing that has happened to me in all this is .... I have learned to
listen and pay attention to my body. It tells you when things are not
right way in advance of catastrophic happenings. LISTEN UP!!!!
Wish you the best.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Birmingham, AL
Tom Sawyer wrote:
>Just got back from a week long canoe trip in Canada - Terrific.
>
>Thought about writing this while gone. I hadn't said anything because I
>didn't want a bunch of sympathy. Shit happens and you have to learn to live
>with it. However, I thought I would post this hopping to keep someone else
>healthy. Like many potters and aging folks, I've had arthiritis for several
>years. Finally, about 10 months ago I began taking vioxx 12.5 mgm a day and
>it seemed to help for a while. When I began having more trouble, I increased
>the dose to 25 mgm/day. [yes I talked with my doctor and yes I even go
>regularly - you know the old adage about a doctor that cares for himself has
>a fool forr a patient]. On the 4th of July weekend, I awoke and noticed I
>couldn't see clearly out of my left eye. I thought I probably had a detached
>retina and early Monday morning I was seen by a local ophthalmologist. After
>examining me, he asked how long I have been hypertensive. I honestly thought
>he was kidding; I never had pressure over 140/90 and usually ran 130/75; in
>fact I had checked my pressure about 3 weeks before and it was within normal
>range. Turned out my pressure was 190/110 and I had hypertensive retinopathy
>with a retinal vein thrombosis [an eye stroke]. On investigation, vioxx and
>celebrex have been implicated in causing blood clots, cerebral strokes,
>heart attacks and I discovered retinal vein thrombosis. What's bad about the
>later is that there is no specific treatment and the visual loss is
>permanent. I apparently was fortunate in having lost only about 70-80% of my
>vision in my left eye. Another bumber is that not only is there the visual
>loss in acuity but a difference in depth perception between my two eyes.
>Needless to say, I immediately quit taking the vioxx and my pressure has
>been completely normal. To protect my right eye, I also started taking a
>mild anti-hypertensive which I am uncertain I need and may test. Anyway be
>careful with the Cox-2 inhibitors. I increased my MSN and glucosamine and
>believe this is helping the arthritis. Good news, I tested myself and
>although I can't read with my bad eye, I can still make decent pots with my
>good eye closed. Sex is same and wine still tastes good. Right after this
>happened, I did quit drinking my glass or two of evening wine - even wrote
>mel I was quiting - but golly damn man's gotta live and my pressures
>remaining normal.
>
>Tom Sawyer
>tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
>
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Tom Sawyer on tue 19 aug 03
Susan,
I got around a lot of wedging problems by purchasing a Peter Pugger.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Susan Setley
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:31 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Arthritis
I have a potter friend who has arthritis in her hands. She uses special
tools
for opening the clay, because that is the movement that give her the most
discomfort. The rest she can do.
Look for tools that can help you do what you do. I am looking for a way to
wedge clay without having to bend my right wrist a lot. Any suggestions,
anyone?
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Susan Setley on tue 19 aug 03
In a message dated 8/19/03 1:13:42 PM, tsawyer@CFL.RR.COM writes:
<< Susan,
I got around a lot of wedging problems by purchasing a Peter Pugger.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
>>
I work in a public studio. I don't have that option. Does anyone have
suggestions for hand-wedging clay if one has, say, a sore wrist?
chris clarke on tue 19 aug 03
"The really sad part is that it has been proven those medications
are no more effective than aspirin and don't protect your stomach any better
either. Notice you haven't been bombarded with ads about them lately?
Because the FDA made them stop saying it."
Actually my father has had arthritis for over fifteen years. Aspirins only
did so much then eventually stopped working. I watched him get out of bed
and got to work walking backwards because he couldn't move his legs the
other way. His hands were curled into balls and he couldn't open his jaw.
It was horrible to watch. He started taking methotrexate (spelling) several
years ago and has had few flare ups since them. He has to be very careful
and have blood work done every other month because of the damage the drug
can do on his liver but without it he would be bed ridden.
chris
temecula, california
chris@ccpots.com
http://www.ccpots.com
Miriam on tue 19 aug 03
A natural remedy is to put about 2Tbsp. of cider vinegar in a mug, add about 2 or 3 tsp. honey... Add some boiling water... Drink twice a day...
Some folks get great relief with this.
psci_kw on wed 20 aug 03
> I work in a public studio. I don't have that option. Does anyone have
> suggestions for hand-wedging clay if one has, say, a sore wrist?
I ran into that situation once. Our wedging table was in an alcove, with a
wall tight to
either side. I found i could use the ramshorn (shell) method with only one
good hand,
using the wall to hold the clay instead of the hand with the sore wrist.
Managed to wedge just over 200 pounds that day, using that method.
you might try that.
Wayne in Key West
Phil Smith on wed 20 aug 03
I believe the clay can be adequately homogenized by slicing off layers
and slamming together on table.
Phil...
Rare - Earth - Design on wed 20 aug 03
Dear Tom and others,
Here is a remedy for arthritis which I have never known to fail.
It's origin is the Mayo Clinic way back in time.
3 ounces Olive Oil
1 ounce Glycerine
3 ounces Powdered Senna
2 ounces Charcoal
1 ounce Slippery Elm
3 lbs. Figs
1.1/4 lbs Raisins
The Olive Oil is not the refined stuff and the figs and raisins are organic,
i.e. they have not been dusted,sprayed or otherwise treated to prolong
shelf life.
Do NOT wash the fruit.
Mix all together thoroughly, mincing or chopping the fruit finely.
You can store it in some of those lovely pots you all make.
Dose: Take a piece approx the size of a walnut first thing in the morning
and again last thing at night for 10 days, then once a day either morning
or night for 6 months.
P.S. During the first month I cut my wine consumption to one glass per day,
This really does work and an old friend came here lately from Chicago, we
went to a restaurant to celebrate her 88th. birthday and during the meal she
said she still makes this up every year, "why not, it's harmless and I like
it",
I gave her this recipe 17 years ago.
Regards,
Bob Hollis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Sawyer"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:59 AM
Subject: Arthritis
> Just got back from a week long canoe trip in Canada - Terrific.
>
> Thought about writing this while gone. I hadn't said anything because I
> didn't want a bunch of sympathy. Shit happens and you have to learn to
live
> with it.
>
Joe Coniglio on wed 20 aug 03
Tom, I agree. Enjoy drinking the wine. Rest as much as you can. You might
opt to relocate to a drier and warmer climate. I assure you it will do
wonders for those aches and pains. Do some heavy anti-oxidants and they
include Sea vegetables, wild blueberries (the richly pigmented kind, not the
ones that look like grapes). I buy them in the frozen section. I think they
are better than fresh!!! --Because the cold releases the agents. Notice they
can never freeze solid in the bag!! Something is with that!!
Lay off wheat only for a few weeks and see what happens. You might try some
yoga. I'm not too way out about things, it's just that it is well known that
the systematic stretching and really maker you feel better and clearer.
I'm going to go in for a blood pressure test now that you think of it, I
haven't felt too good lately myself and have been experiencing more blurred
vision.
I'm hyperventilating on coffee. I have to remind myself to breathe
sometimes. The very best of wishes and please be sure to get the rest you
need. I wish too there was more I could offer. I have a gal here on Vioxx.
I'll pass your info along!!
Joe Coniglio
Joe Coniglio on wed 20 aug 03
Right on! A pugmill and or a de-airing pugmill is worth every bloody penny.
Potters are scared off by the price tag. It seems that the way we pug sets up
the rest of our mood, strength and temperance for the day. What a nice thing
to elimate the entire step, the price is well worth the aggravation.
That and a good slab roller.
iandol on thu 21 aug 03
Dear Bob Hollis,
An interesting concoction. But is it anything other than a placebo?
Regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
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