Dennis Gerasimov on thu 12 nov 09
Sure. My favourite c6-7 porcelain slip from Andrew Martin's book:
OM-4 25
EPK 18
Tile #6 5
Neph. Sye 35
Custer 9
Frit 3110 1
Silica 7
Water 42
Sodium Silicate 0.25-0.5
To shift it to c5-6 Do:
Neph. Sye 40
Custer 4
Dennis
>
>
> John Britt wrote:
>> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
John Britt on thu 12 nov 09
Ron, et al,
Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
Thanks,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
Seele Robert on thu 12 nov 09
I am looking for a cone 6 white claybody myself.
bob seele
On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Britt wrote:
Ron, et al,
Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
Thanks,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein
Dennis Gerasimov on thu 12 nov 09
Well, what kind? What exactly are you looking for? Porceline slip or
stoneware clay for throwing or for hand building?
There are thousands of recipes on the internet, many of them in the
clayrt archives.
Dennis
John Britt wrote:
> Ron, et al,
>
> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
>
Dennis Gerasimov on thu 12 nov 09
Well, what kind? What exactly are you looking for? Porceline slip or
stoneware clay for throwing or for hand building?
There are thousands of recipes on the internet, many of them in the
clayart archives.
Dennis
John Britt wrote:
> Ron, et al,
>
> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
>
John Hesselberth on thu 12 nov 09
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:01 PM, John Britt wrote:
> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to
> post?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
There are 10 or 12 in Cushings Handbook, pages 37-39.
Regards,
John
June on thu 12 nov 09
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Craig Edwards on fri 13 nov 09
While were in the the cone 6 neighborhood.. does anyone have any bizen clay
recipes.. cone 4-8 dark red.
Thanks
--
Make Good Pots
~Craig
New London MN
http://woodfiredpottery.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, John Britt wr=
ote:
> Ron, et al,
>
> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
>
John Britt on fri 13 nov 09
White Stoneware cone 6
20 Grolleg
10 Tile #6
20 XX Saggar
20 Kentucky Stoneware
10 Hawthorne Bond
14 Kona F-4
6 Talc
John Britt
johnbrittpottery@gmail.com
John Britt on fri 13 nov 09
Dennis,
Thanks for the recipe. It is just nice to have some things available on-l=
=3D
ine.
I am posting my recipe on the blog:=3D20
http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com
That way people can find it easily.
I was hoping that Ron Roy would post some recipes since he is the clay=3D20=
=3D
body man....but I am not holding my breath.
Open Source Recipes baby!=3D20
Thanks,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
Dan Hill on fri 13 nov 09
Hi everyone.
I am also looking for a good throwing ^6 stoneware and porcelaineous type
claybodies for Soda firing.
I have been using comercially made clay for ^6 soda but have not been
totally happy with the properties of the clay I have been able to get.
I want a clay that is good for functional thrown and handbuilt work, dries
well and does not have to much clay memory in slab built pieces. I have had
a few teapots and casseroles cracking in use over the years and am hoping t=
o
find a claybodies that have better resistance to thermal shock.
Ron Roy is helping me with this but if anyone has some good starting points
for testing that would be helpfull.
Dan Hill
Des & Jan Howard on fri 13 nov 09
John
Try this one for a start.
Using our local materials.
Des
White porcelaneous Cone 6
plastic kaolin 63
potash feldspar 24
silica 13
+ dolomite 4
Weight%
Na2O 1.0% Al2O3 26.4% SiO2 65.7%
K2O 3.2% TiO2 0.7%
MgO 1.0% Fe2O3 0.5%
CaO 1.5%
Unity
Na2O 0.16 Al2O3 2.56 SiO2 10.78
K2O 0.34 TiO2 0.08
MgO 0.24 Fe2O3 0.03
CaO 0.26
John Britt wrote:
> Does anyone have a cone 6 claybody recipe that they would like to post?
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
Ron Roy on wed 18 nov 09
Unfortunately I don't have any of my own cone 6 bodies to post - I can offe=
r
to help with those that have been posted - most of them are going to need
some work.
It's all very well to advocate posting clay recipes but the fact is - they
were mostly made by people who did not have a lot of experience - that and
the fact that many of the materials are no longer available.
Glad to help anyone - and willing to discuss the ins and outs of clay body
making on the list if anyone is interested. Clay recipes are one thing -
knowing how to make them work is another.
RR
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Dan Hill wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> I am also looking for a good throwing ^6 stoneware and porcelaineous type
> claybodies for Soda firing.
>
> I have been using comercially made clay for ^6 soda but have not been
> totally happy with the properties of the clay I have been able to get.
>
> I want a clay that is good for functional thrown and handbuilt work, drie=
s
> well and does not have to much clay memory in slab built pieces. I have h=
ad
> a few teapots and casseroles cracking in use over the years and am hoping
> to
> find a claybodies that have better resistance to thermal shock.
>
> Ron Roy is helping me with this but if anyone has some good starting poin=
ts
> for testing that would be helpfull.
>
> Dan Hill
>
--
Ron Roy
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario, Canada
K0K 1H0
Dennis Gerasimov on wed 18 nov 09
Ron,
I assume you have included the Polceno slip I have posted when you said
"most of them are going to need some work".
This casting slip works for me reasonably well. It casts very nice and
quick. Reasonably durable out of the mould. It does sag a bit at c6:
impossible to fire ware on stilts. Also, I had a couple of firings where
all items came out cracked badly.
In what way would you improve it?
Just as a refresher, the recipe is:
OM-4 25
EPK 18
Tile #6 5
Neph. Sye 35
Custer 9
Frit 3110 1
Silica 7
Water 42
Sodium Silicate 0.25-0.5
Thank you for all your kind help, Ron!
Dennis
PS Love your glaze book!
Neon-Cat on wed 18 nov 09
These will work in a pinch, simple and easy, with whatever you have on hand=
.
Cone 4 -6 Oxidation, from "Claywork" by Leon Nigrosh:
Tan
Earthenware 50
Fireclay 20
Flint 15
Ball clay 15
White
China clay/kaolin 40
Ball clay 10
Flint 26
Feldspar 20
Whiting 4
Marian
www.neon-cat.com
Lee Love on wed 18 nov 09
John,
This is a cone 04 to 6 white recipe of my old housemate Steve's
(he is doing an internship at Chris Gustins:
http://www.gustinceramics.com/sculpture/interns/intern.html)
Recipe:
cone 04--6 white clay
-------------------------------
neph sy----------------50
white ball clay-------20
epk----------------------20
silica-------------------10
-----------------------------
Steve's note to me:
"It is a blend that is good from cone 04 to a hard cone 6.
It takes glaze and inlay well and has a clean white finish when raw.
I was firing
it to cone 6 with a white liner, the surface was heated with a torch
while throwing until
the small cracks would develop then I would brush a black slip into
the cracks and
scrap away the excess slip with a metal rib. After it was fired I
would sand it with fine
wet sandpaper, 300-600 grit, and the end result was very smooth to the
touch quite
looking piece.
You might test it at 04 I remember that one leaked at 04 if so
take it to cone 1 or higher all your 04 glazes should be good to
cone 1-3 before they change or run hard. "
Lee again: I am interested in this for lower temp soda fire.
Has no talc. Talc resists soda. Steve left me a couple hundred
pounds in the basement.
--=3D20
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Terry O'Neill on thu 19 nov 09
John Britt,
Your baiting of Ron Roy is reminiscent of your earlier sarcastic glaze po=
=3D
stings=3D20
directed at Mr. Roy and John Hessleberth.
Take a long hard look in your mirror. I suspect envy will be staring bac=
=3D
k.
Every attempt to build your own reputation by tearing at another's makes =
=3D
you=3D20
look silly, petty, and obvious.
Adjust the following recipe.
Remove the bug from your ass permanently.=3D20=3D20
Terry O'Neill
Edouard Bastarache on thu 19 nov 09
Onward assholes !!!
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://albertpaintings.blogspot.com/
http://cerampeintures.blogspot.com/
My Books/Mes Livres
http://substitutions.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry O'Neill"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cone 6 claybody recipes
John Britt,
Your baiting of Ron Roy is reminiscent of your earlier sarcastic glaze
postings
directed at Mr. Roy and John Hessleberth.
Take a long hard look in your mirror. I suspect envy will be staring back.
Every attempt to build your own reputation by tearing at another's makes yo=
u
look silly, petty, and obvious.
Adjust the following recipe.
Remove the bug from your ass permanently.
Terry O'Neill
Neon-Cat on thu 19 nov 09
How about an interesting diversion?
Check out the Alfred students' Cookbooks under recipes in the menu on
the left, or even the school standard clays (by type):
http://www.claystore.alfred.edu/rawmats-all-frames.htm
Some things on the Alfred site I liked and quite a few student
projects made me smile at their devotion and enthusiasm for the task
at hand (each had specific goals they wished to achieve), dig deeper
to expand my own knowledge, or make a mental note not to try something
similar.
Potters great and small make clays and use them. I, too, took
exception to Ron's post because I worry that us ordinary potters will
think exploring and experimenting and learning is beyond our
individual capabilities. This is just not so. Setting up false
dependencies or locking oneself into a sense of false dependence is
never good.
I cringe at lots of what Ron writes and often post to say so. I will
always ask my own questions, do my own research, and learn my potter
trade. In art there is lots of leway, in clay science there is not --
we must look at the nature of our materials, adhere to sound
fundamentals of science, and then, if it makes life easier for some of
us, look at calculations and numbers. Where they exist, false
assumptions, no matter how long they've been held, should yield so
that we can all move forward.
No one person can know everything -- in the world of clay there is
always something to learn, something new to discover from the past and
our own era. So let's do it, share a little, and stay out of
personalities.
Marian
Neon-Cat
Dennis Gerasimov on thu 19 nov 09
John,
This kind bashing of one of the most knowledgeable and respected members
of the list is completely uncalled for. I can count people of Ron's
caliber who are on this list on one hand. Please, keep your jealousy to
yourself.
Even if Ron's comments border on what you call "elitism", it is well
earned. Your posture on the other hand is not.
Dennis
Lee Love on fri 20 nov 09
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:31 PM, John Britt wr=
=3D
ote:
John,
Craig Edwards and I have been talking about a Bizen like claybody for
cone 4 to 6. I was thinking about adding redart to a Ohio red
fireclay Tim Fedrich gave me.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Mayssan Farra on sat 21 nov 09
Dear John:
Now with all these "FREE" recipes available why do you still want a Ron Roy=
recipe? is it perhaps because you know it will be well thought out and bal=
anced and safe etc. etc.?
Just wondering at this persistence.
Mayssan Shora Farra
http://www.clayvillepottery.com
http://clayette.blogspot.com
----- Original Message ----
> From: John Britt
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 11:49:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Clayart] cone 6 claybody recipes
>
> Marian you are the Queen!
>
> What a great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Thanks for that treasure trove of information.
>
> Anyone who wants to learn something about glazes and materials needs to g=
o
> to that link!
>
> http://www.claystore.alfred.edu/rawmats-all-frames.htm
>
>
> Thanks for the information. That just made my year!
>
> Free information that leads to knowledge.
>
> Wonder if Ron will have a cone 6 claybody suitable to post!!??
>
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
Lee Love on sat 21 nov 09
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Neon-Cat wrote=
=3D
:
> How about an interesting diversion?
> Check out the Alfred students' Cookbooks under recipes in the menu on
> the left, or even the school standard clays (by type):
> http://www.claystore.alfred.edu/rawmats-all-frames.htm
Thank you Marian! This is a great link for both kinds of recipes!
John gets the smack down from the peanut gallery for promoting the
free circulation of knowledge. But like Hamada said, quoted by
MacKenzie, "Secrets hinder progress." Hamada is unique in Japan
where secrets have been the rule.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
John Britt on sat 21 nov 09
Marian you are the Queen!
What a great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for that treasure trove of information.
Anyone who wants to learn something about glazes and materials needs to g=
=3D
o=3D20
to that link!
http://www.claystore.alfred.edu/rawmats-all-frames.htm
Thanks for the information. That just made my year!
Free information that leads to knowledge.
Wonder if Ron will have a cone 6 claybody suitable to post!!??
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com/wks
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