Lee Love on fri 13 nov 09
If you want good tools and/or need them custom made, and don't want to
up up your first born child for them, I highly recommend Chris Henley
:
http://hominid.net/toolpage2.htm
He makes fabulous wooden tools our of exotic woods and also make
metal trimming tools. He will do custom work, and is great to work
with.
Also, folks may not know, but Dolan is back in business. They make
fine trimming tools that many professionals use (and they won't break
just because the studio cat knocked it on the cement floor.) I've
used their Japanese Kana that are 20 years old and still going strong.
The best value you can find:
http://www.ceramictools.com/pages/products.html
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Vince Pitelka on fri 13 nov 09
Lee Love wrote:
"Also, folks may not know, but Dolan is back in business. They make
fine trimming tools that many professionals use (and they won't break
just because the studio cat knocked it on the cement floor.) I've
used their Japanese Kana that are 20 years old and still going strong."
I hope that everyone realizes that Dolan is back in business, and also that
during the brief time that Dolan was dormant, the most ubiquitous maker of
pottery tools ripped off the whole Dolan line and is now marketing them.
They may not have broken any laws in doing so, but it was still a sleazy
rip-off, because it involved no arrangement or agreement with the Dolan
Family. I don't know if the K----r rip-offs of Dolans are any good and I
don't care because the whole situation gives me the creeps and I certainly
would not buy them under any circumstances. Please buy the authentic Dolan
tools. There are lots of great pottery tools made overseas, but when you
can, it is very wise to support domestic makers of pottery tools like Dolan=
.
They have their full catalog online at
http://www.ceramictools.com/pages/products.html. You can buy the full line
of Dolan pottery tools online from Bailey Pottery Supply at
www.baileypottery.com/potterytools/dolantools.htm.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Jeff Gieringer on fri 13 nov 09
Lee,
I love my throwing stick and trimming knives I got from Chris a couple of
years ago, but I also love my Bison loop. It is used almost daily as well a=
s
a smaller loop tool I got from Groovy Tools. Henley does make some nice
quality tools.
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Tools!
If you want good tools and/or need them custom made, and don't want to
up up your first born child for them, I highly recommend Chris Henley
:
http://hominid.net/toolpage2.htm
He makes fabulous wooden tools our of exotic woods and also make
metal trimming tools. He will do custom work, and is great to work
with.
Also, folks may not know, but Dolan is back in business. They make
fine trimming tools that many professionals use (and they won't break
just because the studio cat knocked it on the cement floor.) I've
used their Japanese Kana that are 20 years old and still going strong.
The best value you can find:
http://www.ceramictools.com/pages/products.html
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=F3g ar chul an tI-tIr dlainn trina ch=E9ile"-that is, "The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Jeff Gieringer on sat 14 nov 09
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Tools!
Vince Pitelka wrote:
"I don't know if the K----r rip-offs of Dolans are any good and I
don't care because the whole situation gives me the creeps and I certainly
would not buy them under any circumstances."
Vince,
I did purchase a couple of the rip-offs during Dolan's dormant time as my
supplier was led to believe that it was done with Dolan's blessing and that
Dolan would not be back. Pretty sleazy deal all the way around. I can
honestly say, they are not Dolans in any form or fashion. I bought a coupl=
e
of tools to replace my Dolans that were lost in our move and they're not th=
e
same quality.
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky
Fred Parker on sun 15 nov 09
Vince P:
I don't really get it. Am I the only ClayArt participant who sees an
inconsistency here?
First, a clay manufacturer, with MUCH $$$ invested in facilities, equipme=
=3D
nt,
marketing and payrolls doesn't jump at the opportunity publish recipes of=
=3D
a
popular product so competitors can have the full benefit of their
accomplishment without the cost. Then, it becomes a worse-than-awful
transgression when a tool manufacturer jumps at the chance for gain by
filling a market void left by another tool manufacturer leaving the marke=
=3D
t.
Which way do you want it? Free sharing of everything in Utopia or free
market capitalism?
I am not privy to the secret details of what happened leading up to Kempe=
=3D
r's
introduction of Dolan-like tools. Be that as it may, I still have an opi=
=3D
nion.
I have a few Dolan tools and love them dearly. No one was more disappoin=
=3D
ted
when they announced they would no longer make them. I believe many potte=
=3D
rs
secretly fretted over what they would do once their favorite Dolans lost
their edge or worse.
Apparently Kemper stepped in to fill a void in the marketplace. Dolan
tools, while wonderful, are not rocket science. I will most likely still=
=3D
buy Dolan over Kemper given the choice. I suspect many potters will also=
=3D
.
But market competition is the American Way -- at least it USED to be.=3D20
Suppliers fill voids left by other suppliers -- or do it better. Nothing=
=3D
wrong with that.=3D20
I have no idea whether any patents were infringed upon or whether any law=
=3D
s
were broken. If they were, then I hope the offender(s) is/are prosecuted=
=3D
and the violated are made whole. In the interim I, for one, lacking the
resources to go out and buy all Bisons, was happy to see the Kemper
look-alikes on the shelves.
Fred Parker
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:18:02 -0600, Vince Pitelka w=
=3D
rote:
>I hope that everyone realizes that Dolan is back in business, and also t=
=3D
hat
>during the brief time that Dolan was dormant, the most ubiquitous maker =
=3D
of
>pottery tools ripped off the whole Dolan line and is now marketing them.=
=3D
>They may not have broken any laws in doing so, but it was still a sleazy=
=3D
>rip-off, because it involved no arrangement or agreement with the Dolan
>Family.
Sherron & Jim Bowen on sun 15 nov 09
The Kemper tools aren't as good. Unfortunately we had to buy them and use
them to find that out.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Parker"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Tools!
Vince P:
I don't really get it. Am I the only ClayArt participant who sees an
inconsistency here?
First, a clay manufacturer, with MUCH $$$ invested in facilities, equipment=
,
marketing and payrolls doesn't jump at the opportunity publish recipes of a
popular product so competitors can have the full benefit of their
accomplishment without the cost. Then, it becomes a worse-than-awful
transgression when a tool manufacturer jumps at the chance for gain by
filling a market void left by another tool manufacturer leaving the market.
Which way do you want it? Free sharing of everything in Utopia or free
market capitalism?
I am not privy to the secret details of what happened leading up to Kemper'=
s
introduction of Dolan-like tools. Be that as it may, I still have an
opinion.
I have a few Dolan tools and love them dearly. No one was more disappointe=
d
when they announced they would no longer make them. I believe many potters
secretly fretted over what they would do once their favorite Dolans lost
their edge or worse.
Apparently Kemper stepped in to fill a void in the marketplace. Dolan
tools, while wonderful, are not rocket science. I will most likely still
buy Dolan over Kemper given the choice. I suspect many potters will also.
But market competition is the American Way -- at least it USED to be.
Suppliers fill voids left by other suppliers -- or do it better. Nothing
wrong with that.
I have no idea whether any patents were infringed upon or whether any laws
were broken. If they were, then I hope the offender(s) is/are prosecuted
and the violated are made whole. In the interim I, for one, lacking the
resources to go out and buy all Bisons, was happy to see the Kemper
look-alikes on the shelves.
Fred Parker
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:18:02 -0600, Vince Pitelka
wrote:
>I hope that everyone realizes that Dolan is back in business, and also tha=
t
>during the brief time that Dolan was dormant, the most ubiquitous maker of
>pottery tools ripped off the whole Dolan line and is now marketing them.
>They may not have broken any laws in doing so, but it was still a sleazy
>rip-off, because it involved no arrangement or agreement with the Dolan
>Family.
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