John Britt on sat 21 nov 09
Yo Clayarters,
Think you can throw? Think your daddy can throw?=3D20=3D20
Watch this and have your world turned upside down in less than 2 minutes!=
=3D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DnMX9PXPtv1Q&feature=3D3Drelated
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Joseph Bennion on sun 22 nov 09
I thought I could throw. That was then. Now I am not so sure. No wasted mot=
=3D
ion there. As far as the wedging goes, he obviously knows what he is doing =
=3D
on that one. BTW, what he was doing on the clip really is wedging. What mos=
=3D
t American potters call wedging is kneading. Those are two very different a=
=3D
ctions that accomplish different tasks.Joe the (used to be) Potter
Joseph Bennion=3D20
=3D0AHorseshoe Mountain Pottery
=3D0AMom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
=3D0APO Box 186 =3D20
=3D0ASpring City, Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
=3D0A435-462-2708=3D20
=3D0Awww.horseshoemountainpottery.com
--- On Sun, 11/22/09, logan johnson wrote:
From: logan johnson
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:34 AM
WOW !=3DA0 Killer video John !!!!=3DA0 There was one tiny thing=3DA0 about=
it th=3D
at surprised me ,=3DA0 am I the only person that was bothered=3DA0 by his w=
edgi=3D
ng ?=3DA0 I'm going to take it for granted his wedging works for him=3DA0 b=
ut i=3D
t sure looked (to me) like his method would add more air bubbles rather tha=
=3D
n removing them.=3DA0 I really enjoyed watching him use that=3DA0 grip on t=
he c=3D
lay.=3DA0 I thought for sure he was going to lose that pot when he got that=
t=3D
hin spot .=3DA0 I didn't even notice I was holding my breath until he saved=
t=3D
he vase & I started breathing again ! This is a great addition to my=3DA0 c=
ol=3D
lection of throwing clay around The world videos .
Thanks for posting it !
Logan
Logan Johnson
Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply
719 W Nob Hill Blvd. Ste C
Yakima, WA 98902
509.469.6966
www.audeostudios.com
"Carpe Argillam!!"
________________________________
From: John Britt
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 9:08:25 AM
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
Yo Clayarters,
Think you can throw?=3DA0 Think your daddy can throw?
Watch this and have your world turned upside down in less than 2 minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DnMX9PXPtv1Q&feature=3D3Drelated
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Jim Willett on sun 22 nov 09
I'm surprised Steve hasn't sent him a Steve's Tool by now so he can get r=
=3D
id of the=3D20
comb!
Jim
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
logan johnson on sun 22 nov 09
WOW ! Killer video John !!!! There was one tiny thing about it that sur=
prised me , am I the only person that was bothered by his wedging ? I'm =
going to take it for granted his wedging works for him but it sure looked =
(to me) like his method would add more air bubbles rather than removing the=
m. I really enjoyed watching him use that grip on the clay. I thought fo=
r sure he was going to lose that pot when he got that thin spot . I didn't=
even notice I was holding my breath until he saved the vase & I started br=
eathing again ! This is a great addition to my collection of throwing clay=
around The world videos .
Thanks for posting it !
Logan
Logan Johnson
Yakima Valley Pottery & Supply
719 W Nob Hill Blvd. Ste C
Yakima, WA 98902
509.469.6966
www.audeostudios.com
"Carpe Argillam!!"
________________________________
From: John Britt
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 9:08:25 AM
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
Yo Clayarters,
Think you can throw? Think your daddy can throw?
Watch this and have your world turned upside down in less than 2 minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnMX9PXPtv1Q&feature=3Drelated
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Vince Pitelka on mon 23 nov 09
Joe Bennion wrote:
"BTW, what he was doing on the clip really is wedging. What most American
potters call wedging is kneading. Those are two very different actions that
accomplish different tasks."
Hi Joe -
I don't understand your comment. I have watched a lot of bakers kneading
dough, and it seems to me that what he is doing is a lot closer to kneading=
.
I am not sure how he avoids introducing more air into the clay. I am
certainly not disputing his expertise or results, but the way he is folding
the clay over upon itself without really slapping it together would normall=
y
introduce air. What we do in the west in proper cylinder or cone wedging i=
s
very effective, and isn't really at all like kneading dough.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Steve Mills on mon 23 nov 09
Hey!
Hang on Des, what are Trousers for (apart from keeping your "Bits" warm)?
Steve M
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Des & Jan Howard wrot=
e:
> John
> The brisk, repetitition throwing was impressive.
> Though it really irked my anally retentive,
> obsessive compulsive nature when he wiped
> his hands on his trousers :)
> Des
>
> John Britt wrote:
>
>> Think you can throw? Think your daddy can throw?
>>
>
> --
> Des & Jan Howard
> Lue Pottery
> Lue NSW
> Australia
> 2850
>
> 02 6373 6419
> www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
> -32.656072 149.840624
>
--
Steve
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Des & Jan Howard on mon 23 nov 09
John
The brisk, repetitition throwing was impressive.
Though it really irked my anally retentive,
obsessive compulsive nature when he wiped
his hands on his trousers :)
Des
John Britt wrote:
> Think you can throw? Think your daddy can throw?
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
Vince Pitelka on tue 24 nov 09
Joe Bennion wrote:
"When I was taught ceramics (Some time ago as is the case with a lot of
us.) I was told that wedging is the process of cutting clay on a wire and
slapping it together to blend lumps into smooth clay. Kneading is what I
hear most potters calling wedging ie. the cone or calendar method."
Hi Joe -
It's been a few years since I was formally taught ceramics as well,
although I'm sure we have both been learning ever since. Lots of people
refer to "stack and slam wedging" as a specialized kind of wedging, but t=
=3D
o
me, the simple term wedging has referred to cone wedging (spiral wedging)
or cylinder wedging (ram's head wedging). Those are the wedging
techniques I was taught in 1969-70, and almost every potter I have
observed in the forty years since has used one of those wedging
techniques. In kneading, the bread dough is folded over on itself to
introduce air. The Greek potter in the video did do something similar to
"stack and slam," but he also just folded the clay over on itself and
pressed it together, which logic tells me would introduce air. As I said=
=3D
,
there is no disputing that his technique worked. And it is apparent that
in different parts of the world, there are broadly differing definitions
of "wedging" and "kneading."
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
--=3D20
Joseph Bennion on tue 24 nov 09
Perhaps I should watch the clip again. It appeared to me that he was tearin=
=3D
g the clay in half and slapping it together. It didn't look like kneading t=
=3D
o me. I don't have a tight wire on my kneading board (the top of my old Blu=
=3D
ebird) so I tear the clay in two to accomplish wedging. It is not often nee=
=3D
ded as the clay has usually been pugged already. Mine is not a vacuum assis=
=3D
ted pugger so kneading is always required.When I was taught ceramics (Some =
=3D
time ago as is the case with a lot of us.) I was told that wedging is the p=
=3D
rocess of cutting clay on a wire and slapping it together to blend lumps in=
=3D
to smooth clay. Kneading is what I hear most potters calling wedging ie. th=
=3D
e cone or calendar method.
As we have all observed, whatever he was doing worked for him.
JTP
Joseph Bennion=3D20
=3D0AHorseshoe Mountain Pottery
=3D0AMom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
=3D0APO Box 186 =3D20
=3D0ASpring City, Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
=3D0A435-462-2708=3D20
=3D0Awww.horseshoemountainpottery.com
--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Vince Pitelka wrote:
From: Vince Pitelka
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:14 PM
Joe Bennion wrote:
"BTW, what he was doing on the clip really is wedging. What most American
potters call wedging is kneading. Those are two very different actions that
accomplish different tasks."
Hi Joe -
I don't understand your comment.=3DA0 I have watched a lot of bakers kneadi=
ng
dough, and it seems to me that what he is doing is a lot closer to kneading=
=3D
.
I am not sure how he avoids introducing more air into the clay.=3DA0 I am
certainly not disputing his expertise or results, but the way he is folding
the clay over upon itself without really slapping it together would normall=
=3D
y
introduce air.=3DA0 What we do in the west in proper cylinder or cone wedgi=
ng=3D
is
very effective, and isn't really at all like kneading dough.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
douglas fur on tue 24 nov 09
Joe
I think you're onto it but a rose by any other name...
I was looking at wilsons book on japanese pottery and the description of
"Ram's head" wedging uses the same fold-into-the middle technique that
replicates the cut-and-stack of a wedging wire.
What's curious to me is not seeing "knife edge" tears when he rips the clay
but cracking. That plus the blebs on the wedging table that don't get
picked up into the ball make me think it's more of a silty rather than a
plastic clay.
I wonder how thick the walls would be if sliced in half?
DRB
Seattle
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Joseph Bennion <
joe.the.potter@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps I should watch the clip again. It appeared to me that he was
> tearing the clay in half and slapping it together. It didn't look like
> kneading to me. I don't have a tight wire on my kneading board (the top o=
f
> my old Bluebird) so I tear the clay in two to accomplish wedging. It is n=
ot
> often needed as the clay has usually been pugged already. Mine is not a
> vacuum assisted pugger so kneading is always required.When I was taught
> ceramics (Some time ago as is the case with a lot of us.) I was told that
> wedging is the process of cutting clay on a wire and slapping it together=
to
> blend lumps into smooth clay. Kneading is what I hear most potters callin=
g
> wedging ie. the cone or calendar method.
> As we have all observed, whatever he was doing worked for him.
> JTP
>
> Joseph Bennion
>
> Horseshoe Mountain Pottery
>
> Mom's Stuff Healing Salve
>
> PO Box 186
>
> Spring City, Utah 84662
>
> 435-462-2708
>
> www.horseshoemountainpottery.com
>
> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>
> From: Vince Pitelka
> Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:14 PM
>
> Joe Bennion wrote:
> "BTW, what he was doing on the clip really is wedging. What most American
> potters call wedging is kneading. Those are two very different actions th=
at
> accomplish different tasks."
>
> Hi Joe -
> I don't understand your comment. I have watched a lot of bakers kneading
> dough, and it seems to me that what he is doing is a lot closer to
> kneading.
> I am not sure how he avoids introducing more air into the clay. I am
> certainly not disputing his expertise or results, but the way he is foldi=
ng
> the clay over upon itself without really slapping it together would
> normally
> introduce air. What we do in the west in proper cylinder or cone wedging
> is
> very effective, and isn't really at all like kneading dough.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
>
>
>
>
Joseph Bennion on wed 25 nov 09
Hi Vince,In looking back through my library I find that there is indeed a m=
=3D
ixture of definitions of the term "wedging". In his classic text Leach defi=
=3D
nes wedging and kneading as two different activities. What he calls kneadin=
=3D
g is, as I mentioned a couple of posts back, what most American potters cal=
=3D
l wedging. Henry Varnum poor and=3DA0Phil Rogers=3DA0give the same definiti=
ons =3D
for both activities as Leach does. Robert Fourier acknowledges that there i=
=3D
s a difference but states that to most potters kneading is just one kind of=
=3D
wedging. Glenn Nelson and Charlotte Speight both leave the term kneading o=
=3D
ut and call it all wedging. I was probably taught by some old schoolers.One=
=3D
thing Americans are good at is mutating language. Take Raku as a term or a=
=3D
practice for instance. American Raku bears little or no resemblance to wha=
=3D
t was done traditionally in=3DA0Japan=3DA0under that name.It is all good.Jo=
e th=3D
e Potter
Joseph Bennion=3D20
=3D0AHorseshoe Mountain Pottery
=3D0AMom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
=3D0APO Box 186 =3D20
=3D0ASpring City, Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
=3D0A435-462-2708=3D20
=3D0Awww.horseshoemountainpottery.com
--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Vince Pitelka wrote:
From: Vince Pitelka
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 8:14 PM
Joe Bennion wrote:
"When I was taught ceramics (Some time ago as is the case with a lot of
us.) I was told that wedging is the process of cutting clay on a wire and
slapping it together to blend lumps into smooth clay. Kneading is what I
hear most potters calling wedging ie. the cone or calendar method."
Hi Joe -
It's been a few years since I was formally taught ceramics as well,
although I'm sure we have both been learning ever since. Lots of people
refer to "stack and slam wedging" as a specialized kind of wedging, but to
me, the simple term wedging has referred to cone wedging (spiral wedging)
or cylinder wedging (ram's head wedging).=3DA0 Those are the wedging
techniques I was taught in 1969-70, and almost every potter I have
observed in the forty years since has used one of those wedging
techniques.=3DA0 In kneading, the bread dough is folded over on itself to
introduce air.=3DA0 The Greek potter in the video did do something similar =
to
"stack and slam," but he also just folded the clay over on itself and
pressed it together, which logic tells me would introduce air.=3DA0 As I sa=
id=3D
,
there is no disputing that his technique worked.=3DA0 And it is apparent th=
at
in different parts of the world, there are broadly differing definitions
of "wedging" and "kneading."
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
--=3D20
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Anne Elisabeth Maurland on wed 25 nov 09
We learned to first wedge, then knead.
That is, we tore the clay, then slammed. That took care of the mixing
of the clay - as welll as any pug mill.
Then we kneaded. We learned the ram's head method. That took care of
the air bubbles. And then finally we rolled the lump into a cylinder.
To me, kneading does not mean putting air into anything. In baking, the
yeast puts the air in, and after letting the dough rise once, I knead
it again, which deflates it somewhat. Then I let it rise again. I think
kneading just mixes the dough thoroughly.
Elisabeth
On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>
>
> It's been a few years since I was formally taught ceramics as well,
> although I'm sure we have both been learning ever since. Lots of people
> refer to "stack and slam wedging" as a specialized kind of wedging,
> but to
> me, the simple term wedging has referred to cone wedging (spiral
> wedging)
> or cylinder wedging (ram's head wedging). Those are the wedging
> techniques I was taught in 1969-70, and almost every potter I have
> observed in the forty years since has used one of those wedging
> techniques. In kneading, the bread dough is folded over on itself to
> introduce air. The Greek potter in the video did do something similar
> to
> "stack and slam," but he also just folded the clay over on itself and
> pressed it together, which logic tells me would introduce air. As I
> said,
> there is no disputing that his technique worked. And it is apparent
> that
> in different parts of the world, there are broadly differing
> definitions
> of "wedging" and "kneading."
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
>
>
>
> --
>
Anita Rickenberg on wed 25 nov 09
Vince,
There really isn't that much difference in the desired end result =3D
between
kneading bread and wedging clay. When kneading bread, the goal is to
eliminate the large air bubbles that the yeast have created and =3D
redistribute
the yeast so the bread has a finer texture with smaller air holes. When
yeast bread isn't kneaded, the result is a coarse bread with large air =3D
holes
and a chewy texture--what would probably be called a farm bread. Not
necessarily a bad thing, just different. Yeast adds air to the bread,
kneading removes it.
Anita
Des & Jan Howard on wed 25 nov 09
Steve
A potter of my acquaintance used to wear shorts all the
time, wipe his hands on his shorts & rest his head on
his slop bucket when throwing. His long hair & caked
clay dags still bring a shudder when the image flashes
past me. I wear an apron for all pottery work, a long
split leg apron for throwing & use small mud towels for
wiping icky bits off fingers when trimming. I don't
have enough hair to form dags even if I stuffed my head
in the bucket.
Regards
Des
Steve Mills wrote:
> Hang on Des, what are Trousers for (apart from keeping your "Bits" warm)?
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
Larry Kruzan on wed 25 nov 09
I have to admit it - I really had not looked around Youtube pottery videos
for quite a while. But that throwing vid got me hooked on it for a few hour=
s
this week.
I have been playing around with different goblet designs trying to develop
one I liked to throw and enjoyed visually. So I decided to search Youtube t=
o
see what was offered. In my search I discovered a very interesting vid that
you all need to see. You won't believe your eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2utHktFjTTA&feature=3DPlayList&p=3D5B76DAE=
D48E3E5
8B&index=3D0
Larry Kruzan
Lost Creek Pottery
www.lostcreekpottery.com
Des & Jan Howard on wed 25 nov 09
Joe
I've done enough demos to know when a thrower has just
given the clay a slap & tickle for the camera.
To me wedging is the cut, slap/slam together technique
& kneading is the ramshorn/spiral smearing technique.
Our current pugmill is a non de-airer, clay is batch
made, balls for production are cut off the pug &
weighed, no wedging or kneading. Wedging, when 'tis
done, is for blending stiff clay for the hydraulic
press or slab roller. Kneading, "if it were done when
'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly", is
reserved for tricky throwing. My shoulders don't care
for extended kneading sessions.
Des
Sitting, somewhat morosely, one fingering at the
keyboard, post wrist surgery, while my fire brigade
fellows are tending the bushfire lapping at our
doorsteps, 13000 acres so far.
"But age, with his stealing steps,
Hath claw'd me in his clutch..."
Joseph Bennion wrote:
> Perhaps I should watch the clip again.
> It appeared to me that he was tearing the
> clay in half and slapping it together.
> It didn't look like kneading to me.
> Mine is not a vacuum assisted pugger
> so kneading is always required.
> As we have all observed,
> whatever he was doing worked for him.
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
Joseph Bennion on thu 26 nov 09
Kneading also brings the gluten up and makes the bread's texture better.
Joseph Bennion=3D20
=3D0AHorseshoe Mountain Pottery
=3D0AMom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
=3D0APO Box 186 =3D20
=3D0ASpring City, Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
=3D0A435-462-2708=3D20
=3D0Awww.horseshoemountainpottery.com
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Anne Elisabeth Maurland =3D
COM> wrote:
From: Anne Elisabeth Maurland
Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 11:59 AM
We learned to first wedge, then knead.
That is, we tore the clay, then slammed. That took care of the mixing
of the clay - as welll as any pug mill.
Then we kneaded. We learned the ram's head method. That took care of
the air bubbles. And then finally we rolled the lump into a cylinder.
To me, kneading does not mean putting air into anything. In baking, the
yeast puts the air in, and after letting the dough rise once, I knead
it again, which deflates it somewhat. Then I let it rise again. I think
kneading just mixes the dough thoroughly.
Elisabeth
On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>
>
> It's been a few years since I was formally taught ceramics as well,
> although I'm sure we have both been learning ever since. Lots of people
> refer to "stack and slam wedging" as a specialized kind of wedging,
> but to
> me, the simple term wedging has referred to cone wedging (spiral
> wedging)
> or cylinder wedging (ram's head wedging).=3DA0 Those are the wedging
> techniques I was taught in 1969-70, and almost every potter I have
> observed in the forty years since has used one of those wedging
> techniques.=3DA0 In kneading, the bread dough is folded over on itself to
> introduce air.=3DA0 The Greek potter in the video did do something simila=
r
> to
> "stack and slam," but he also just folded the clay over on itself and
> pressed it together, which logic tells me would introduce air.=3DA0 As I
> said,
> there is no disputing that his technique worked.=3DA0 And it is apparent
> that
> in different parts of the world, there are broadly differing
> definitions
> of "wedging" and "kneading."
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
>
>
>
> --
>
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Marcia Selsor on thu 26 nov 09
That was amazing. Reminded me of a fellow student 40 years ago who had
short arms and threw very well.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
On Nov 25, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Larry Kruzan wrote:
> I have to admit it - I really had not looked around Youtube pottery
> videos
> for quite a while. But that throwing vid got me hooked on it for a
> few hours
> this week.
>
> I have been playing around with different goblet designs trying to
> develop
> one I liked to throw and enjoyed visually. So I decided to search
> Youtube to
> see what was offered. In my search I discovered a very interesting
> vid that
> you all need to see. You won't believe your eyes.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2utHktFjTTA&feature=3DPlayList&p=3D5B76D=
AED48E3E5
> 8B&index=3D0
>
> Larry Kruzan
> Lost Creek Pottery
> www.lostcreekpottery.com
>
Ric Swenson on thu 26 nov 09
So... =3D20
=3D20
Eastern kneading vs western kneading...ram's head / bull's head vs spiral.=
=3D
both work well.... if done correctly. Remove air.
=3D20
I have always preferred Spiral. yet I am a westerner at heart.
=3D20
Wedging means to use a wire...to cut and combine. If you do not have a de-a=
=3D
iring pug mill...wedging is good to mix the clay.
=3D20
=3D20
then there is coning the clay up on the wheel...while centering......to mak=
=3D
e sure the clay is combined and air free.
=3D20
you can feel it...
=3D20
Nice to hear Vince's explaination of bread kneading.... knew it...but nice =
=3D
to hear it expressed....yes... the yeast....something we needn't worry abou=
=3D
t in clay...I hope.
=3D20
=3D20
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> Date: Wed=3D2C 25 Nov 2009 13:59:14 -0600
> From: elisabeth@ELISABETHMAURLAND.COM
> Subject: Re: REAL THROWING!
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
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> We learned to first wedge=3D2C then knead.
> That is=3D2C we tore the clay=3D2C then slammed. That took care of the mi=
xing
> of the clay - as welll as any pug mill.
> Then we kneaded. We learned the ram's head method. That took care of
> the air bubbles. And then finally we rolled the lump into a cylinder.
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> To me=3D2C kneading does not mean putting air into anything. In baking=3D=
2C t=3D
he
> yeast puts the air in=3D2C and after letting the dough rise once=3D2C I k=
nead
> it again=3D2C which deflates it somewhat. Then I let it rise again. I thi=
nk
> kneading just mixes the dough thoroughly.
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> Elisabeth
> On Nov 24=3D2C 2009=3D2C at 10:14 PM=3D2C Vince Pitelka wrote:
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> >
> >
> > It's been a few years since I was formally taught ceramics as well=3D2C
> > although I'm sure we have both been learning ever since. Lots of people
> > refer to "stack and slam wedging" as a specialized kind of wedging=3D2C
> > but to
> > me=3D2C the simple term wedging has referred to cone wedging (spiral
> > wedging)
> > or cylinder wedging (ram's head wedging). Those are the wedging
> > techniques I was taught in 1969-70=3D2C and almost every potter I have
> > observed in the forty years since has used one of those wedging
> > techniques. In kneading=3D2C the bread dough is folded over on itself t=
o
> > introduce air. The Greek potter in the video did do something similar
> > to
> > "stack and slam=3D2C" but he also just folded the clay over on itself a=
nd
> > pressed it together=3D2C which logic tells me would introduce air. As I
> > said=3D2C
> > there is no disputing that his technique worked. And it is apparent
> > that
> > in different parts of the world=3D2C there are broadly differing
> > definitions
> > of "wedging" and "kneading."
> > - Vince
> >
> > Vince Pitelka
> > Appalachian Center for Craft
> > Tennessee Tech University
> > vpitelka@dtccom.net=3D3B wpitelka@tntech.edu
> > http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
> >
> >
> >
> >
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