William & Susan Schran User on mon 7 dec 09
On 12/7/09 2:01 PM, "Alec J Jones" wrote:
> Hey All.
>
> After about 2-3 hours of throwing (sitting down), i tend the get the wors=
t
> back pain ever. I was in a construction accident 2 years ago but only
> suffered minor back problems. The pain only seems to come out when throwi=
ng.
> I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions to help me out. Like a
> specific chair? or Throwing standing up?
> I appreciate all the feedback.
> Thanks Alec Jones
Hey Alec,
I also worked lots of manual labor jobs in my youth and my back is always
right on the edge of being a pain in the, well, back.
Two things:
First, yes, throwing standing up will help with your back issues.
I have two wheels where I teach, that are raised up for stand up throwing.
I currently have two students with back problems that use these wheels.
Second, 2-3 hours of throwing, especially if you're sitting there for most
of that time is simply too much! You need to move frequently and change
positions of your back. In my studio AND at school, I sit when throwing, bu=
t
I keep all of my prepared clay across the room. So every time I finish one
pot, I have to get up, walk over and get the next ball of clay. Since I
started this routine years ago, I never have back pain from throwing.
I do get back pain when I lift heavy things I shouldn't be lifting...
Bill
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William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
David Woof on tue 8 dec 09
Chae=3D2C The exercise you site gets to the heart of many back problems be=
ca=3D
use the strength of the abdominal muscles serve to support the torso and co=
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nversly the back. This said=3D2C how much gut is hangin over everything el=
se=3D
also puts a tremendus strain on back muscles not ment to carry this weight=
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. Remember the "lift with your legs not your back" advice.
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Years ago books were printed that advised that the stool seat should be at =
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the same height as the wheel head. We believed this because an acknowledg=
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ed master of the time printed it. this was well before many backs gave ou=
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t and we started to elevate the wheel height and stand while throwing. Bet=
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ter=3D2C except many folks have problems standing on one foot for extended =
pe=3D
riods and so tend to "dead foot" the wheel speed by not keeping their foot =
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on the pedal while throwing. This usually causes some stiff lackluster pot=
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s because expressive throwing depends on coordinated hand and wheel speed c=
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hanges at precise and often unconcious moments.
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I solved this by having a stool=3D2C actually I welded a motorcycle seat on=
l=3D
ong legs=3D2C that supports my butt and legs in an almost standing position=
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=3D2C horse stance with back straight=3D2C and wheel head at near the heigh=
t of=3D
my bent elbows. I can then stand for up to my armpit taller throwing or r=
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elax and stand/sit for smaller ware.
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Being otherwise active and not eating canned or packaged crap will take car=
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e of my abdominal girth and strengh. A healthy front fosters a healthy bac=
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k and lets one do remarkable things even as an "old" guy/gal.
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Disclaimer: This is my experience and is in no way expressed as medical adv=
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ice to anyone.
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make love/play with someone special often. Cultivate wonder.
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David Woof=3D2C Clarkdale=3D2C AZ. Watching it snow 7 minutes =
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a love this every day.
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6b. Re: Back Pain When Throoing
Posted by: "Chaeli Sullivan" chaetoons@YAHOO.COM=3D20
Date: Tue Dec 8=3D2C 2009 10:41 am ((PST))
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In addition to all the good advice - there's an exercise one can do. Lay f=
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lat on your back on the floor and slowly raise both legs together a foot or=
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more off the floor. Do this several times.
Also=3D2C if you can put some type of heater behind your back to keep the m=
us=3D
cles from getting chilled . . . .
Chae
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Cindy Eve on tue 8 dec 09
I have found that one of the stools that Creative Industries makes has be=
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en a=3D20
huge back saver for me. They had stopped making them for awhile but I he=
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they are back on the market. The stool is listed on the CI website as =
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the=3D20
Professional Potter's Stool ST-1.
You can adjust the angle on the seat of this stool to fit your body and t=
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he=3D20
height as well. It did take a bit of time to get used to it when I first=
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got it. It=3D20
is much like adjusting to a bike seat if you haven't ridden a bike in awh=
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ile.
My stool is well over 14 years old and I consider it one of the best inve=
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stments=3D20
I have made. (And no, I am in no way affiliated with CI.)
Cindy
Eve Pottery in chilly Montana. We are hoping for a high of minus 5 today=
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.
Jess McKenzie on tue 8 dec 09
We went to a music store and bought a great drummer's
stool. Very adjustable. Very comfortable. It has
to be--think about playing a 4 h gig.
~joan and jess--glad we don't live in Fairbanks any
more.
Cindy Eve
wrote:
I have found that one of the stools that Creative
Industries makes has been a huge back saver for me.
They had stopped making them for awhile but I hear
they are back on the market. The stool is listed
on the CI website as the Professional Potter's Stool
ST-1.
Dave Lyons on tue 8 dec 09
I have a custom made "bucket seat". I took a 5 gallon bucket and fastened =
a
garden tractor seat to the bottom. It seems that there is a little support
across the lower back and upper butt and goes a long way to relieve the bac=
k
strain. I would not recommend my custom made bucket seat because in my
observation most potters prefer to sit a little higher than this contraptio=
n
affords, but it works for me.
Dave Lyons
The New Pittsville Pottery
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Jess McKenzie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:12 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Back Pain When Throwing
We went to a music store and bought a great drummer's
stool. Very adjustable. Very comfortable. It has
to be--think about playing a 4 h gig.
~joan and jess--glad we don't live in Fairbanks any
more.
Cindy Eve
wrote:
I have found that one of the stools that Creative
Industries makes has been a huge back saver for me.
They had stopped making them for awhile but I hear
they are back on the market. The stool is listed
on the CI website as the Professional Potter's Stool
ST-1.
Lee Love on wed 9 dec 09
Throwing platforms and throwing off the hump really saves the back.
I remember when I first met Mashiko potter Toshi Okuma. He thought
folks throwing off the wheelhead looked like vultures. I bought my
shimpo gold from him in 1990.
My wheel is up on a crate and I sit on a bar stool to
throw. I put my feet on the crate when centering or trimming, but
the bar stool allows me to extend my legs for most of the time at the
wheel. You are sitting at about the height you would if you threw
standing.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
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