Vince Pitelka on mon 14 dec 09
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YEAH CARLA! GO GET 'EM!
Love,=3D20
- Vince
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From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of =3D
carlitas@COMCAST.NET
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:29 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Handmade - Somebody's got to say it!
Hi All,
OK. Here goes....if you're slip casting, you ARE NOT making handmade =3D
pottery. I don't care if you made the mold and made the slip and made =3D
the glazes, it still is not handmade. If you're passing it off as such, =
=3D
then you're lying to your customers...period. I suspect there are a few =
=3D
people on this list that do just that and are trying to make excuses for =
=3D
it. Well, shame on you. I've seen you in action at art fairs. I've =3D
walked into booths "playing dumb" while you talk about your "handmade" =3D
pottery and I bite my tongue (which, if you know me, is a really hard =3D
thing to do). THIS IS SO INSULTING TO ME!
A plaster slump/hump mold for clay slabs used in HANDbuiling is a tool. =
=3D
Handbuilding by definition makes the result handmade....duh! A plaster =3D
slip casting mold is not a tool, it's taking the easy way out...and it's =
=3D
cheating if you try to pass it off as handmade. So get over it! If you =
=3D
slip cast, fine, knock yourself out, but don't get pissed off when we =3D
call you on it.
I feel better already......
Carla
Aliquippa, PA
carlitas@COMCAST.NET on mon 14 dec 09
Hi All,
OK. Here goes....if you're slip casting, you ARE NOT making handmade potte=
ry. I don't care if you made the mold and made the slip and made the glaze=
s, it still is not handmade. If you're passing it off as such, then you're=
lying to your customers...period. I suspect there are a few people on thi=
s list that do just that and are trying to make excuses for it. Well, sham=
e on you. I've seen you in action at art fairs. I've walked into booths "=
playing dumb" while you talk about your "handmade" pottery and I bite my to=
ngue (which, if you know me, is a really hard thing to do). THIS IS SO INS=
ULTING TO ME!
A plaster slump/hump mold for clay slabs used in HANDbuiling is a tool. Ha=
ndbuilding by definition makes the result handmade....duh! A plaster slip =
casting mold is not a tool, it's taking the easy way out...and it's cheatin=
g if you try to pass it off as handmade. So get over it! If you slip cast=
, fine, knock yourself out, but don't get pissed off when we call you on it=
.
I feel better already......
Carla
Aliquippa, PA
KATHI LESUEUR on mon 14 dec 09
On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:28 PM, carlitas@COMCAST.NET wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> OK. Here goes....if you're slip casting, you ARE NOT making
> handmade pottery. .... I've seen you in action at art fairs. I've
> walked into booths "playing dumb" while you talk about your
> "handmade" pottery and I bite my tongue (which, if you know me, is
> a really hard thing to do). THIS IS SO INSULTING TO ME!>>>
Funny, when I was RAM pressing no one ever thought those pieces were
pressed. But, my slab dinnerware and other slab pieces,
other potters always "accused" me of pressing. Several went so far as
to complain to fair directors about all of the pressed pieces that
weren't. I laughed once when a customer came up with two pasta dishes
with handles. She decide to take the "bigger" one. I explained that
they were the same size but she insisted one was bigger. I told her
that they were made with a press and then hand finished and handles
put on. She still thought the one she picked was bigger and made me
measure it for her. Turns out she was right. In finishing the rim I
had stretched one about a 1/4 inch bigger than the other. Now, my
slab trays are another matter. They stack beautifully. They aren't
warped. You would accuse me of pressing them. You would be wrong.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
>
Chris Campbell on tue 15 dec 09
> OK. Here goes....if you're slip casting, you
> ARE NOT making handmade pottery.
> I don't care if you made the mold and made the
> slip and made the glazes, it still is not handmade
WOW ... you have to get out more!
There is a whole world out there beyond the
craft shows you attend.
Worlds where master mold makers produce
fine limited editions of their designs.
They are decorated to perfection.
Series are limited and the molds are broken.
It takes them months of precise hand work to
produce these beautiful pieces ... you really
should not limit your thinking to such simplistic
views of what true mold making is.
Start expanding your knowledge of these artists
and I guarantee you will be blown away by
the variety, beauty and talent.
For that matter ... this whole debate over hand
made rather misses the point for me.
I am more interested in asking whether
the term 'hand made' has any value at all
without a matching amount of craft and talent.
No one pays extra just for 'handmade'.
You don't get into galleries or serious collections
because of that alone.
No big bonus just because an artiste holds some
illusions about the value of their hand work.
Care, craftsmanship, talent, perseverance ...
the hours you spend on your butt ...
the miles you put on your wheel ...
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
Designs in Colored Porcelain
www.ccpottery.com
http://neriagechris.blogspot.com/
Creative Ways With Colored Clays
PRE-NCECA WEEKEND WORKSHOP
March 26, 27 & 28, 2010
Clay Art Center
40 Beech Street
Port Chester, NY 10573
914.937.2047 x222
http://www.clayartcenter.org
SUMMER WORKSHOP
August 15-21, 2010
Touchstone Center for Crafts
1049 Wharton Furnace Road
Farmington PA 15437
1.800.721.0177
http://www.touchstonecrafts.com
paul gerhold on wed 16 dec 09
Chris,
Can you name some names or give web sites of representative work. Might
help to educate a lot of us, myself included.
Paul
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Chris Campbell wr=
ote:
> > OK. Here goes....if you're slip casting, you
> > ARE NOT making handmade pottery.
> > I don't care if you made the mold and made the
> > slip and made the glazes, it still is not handmade
>
>
> WOW ... you have to get out more!
> There is a whole world out there beyond the
> craft shows you attend.
>
> Worlds where master mold makers produce
> fine limited editions of their designs.
> They are decorated to perfection.
> Series are limited and the molds are broken.
>
> It takes them months of precise hand work to
> produce these beautiful pieces ... you really
> should not limit your thinking to such simplistic
> views of what true mold making is.
>
> Start expanding your knowledge of these artists
> and I guarantee you will be blown away by
> the variety, beauty and talent.
>
> For that matter ... this whole debate over hand
> made rather misses the point for me.
>
> I am more interested in asking whether
> the term 'hand made' has any value at all
> without a matching amount of craft and talent.
>
> No one pays extra just for 'handmade'.
> You don't get into galleries or serious collections
> because of that alone.
> No big bonus just because an artiste holds some
> illusions about the value of their hand work.
>
> Care, craftsmanship, talent, perseverance ...
> the hours you spend on your butt ...
> the miles you put on your wheel ...
>
>
> Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
>
> Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
> Designs in Colored Porcelain
> www.ccpottery.com
> http://neriagechris.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Creative Ways With Colored Clays
> PRE-NCECA WEEKEND WORKSHOP
> March 26, 27 & 28, 2010
> Clay Art Center
> 40 Beech Street
> Port Chester, NY 10573
> 914.937.2047 x222
> http://www.clayartcenter.org
>
>
> SUMMER WORKSHOP
> August 15-21, 2010
> Touchstone Center for Crafts
> 1049 Wharton Furnace Road
> Farmington PA 15437
> 1.800.721.0177
> http://www.touchstonecrafts.com
>
Chris Campbell on wed 16 dec 09
> Can you name some names or give
> web sites of representative work.
> Might help to educate a lot of us,
> myself included.
Thanks for asking Paul.
An open mind is just waiting to be filled
with the coolest stuff!
The beauty of mold made work came to
my attention while studying various colored
porcelain techniques. Some artists cast thin
layers of multiple colors then cut or carve
through them to reveal designs. No other way
to achieve this look. Others just cast layers so
they can carve through the first layer to get a
wonderful translucency.
Joren Bechtold
http://www.jeroenbechtold.nl/gallerysite/1.html
Here is a sampling of my favorites in other
techniques ...
John Albert Murphy
www.johnalbertmurphyceramics.sitesofourown.com
Robin Best
http://www.dhub.org/articles/1074
(her work is the top most image)
http://www.ceramicart.com.au/cap61.shtml
Kurt Weiser
http://www.ceramicstoday.com/potw/weiser.htm
Ilona Romule
http://www.icshu.org/2007/paintedporcelain/ilonaromule.html
Bridget Cherie Harper
( I was told she manipulates her molds for each piece... Paul?)
http://www.bridgetcherie.com/torsos_gallery.htm
Ron Nagle
http://www.franklloyd.com/dynamic/artist.asp?ArtistID=3D22
Also there is work that just cannot be created any other way.
Richard Notkin
http://www.ceramicstoday.com/potw/notkin.htm
David Pier
http://www.davidpier.com/
Rebekah Bogard
http://www.rebekahbogard.com/gallery.htm
Company I would be proud to be in.
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
Designs in Colored Porcelain
www.ccpottery.com
http://neriagechris.blogspot.com/
Creative Ways With Colored Clays
PRE-NCECA WEEKEND WORKSHOP
March 26, 27 & 28, 2010
Clay Art Center
40 Beech Street
Port Chester, NY 10573
914.937.2047 x222
http://www.clayartcenter.org
SUMMER WORKSHOP
August 15-21, 2010
Touchstone Center for Crafts
1049 Wharton Furnace Road
Farmington PA 15437
1.800.721.0177
http://www.touchstonecrafts.com
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