mel jacobson on sat 19 dec 09
years back, every small town had a local crafts person, a good
singer, someone that played the piano. the gal that sung for
weddings was adored. there was always some folks
that told good stories, had a joke that was new. they became
local folks with status.
now, if you sing at church you are compared to a rock star or
someone that sings at the met. we all see the great artists,
we know what the very best is. and then, we compare with ourselves
or others to what `should be the best`. if you fall short...you are
considered a hack.
we see tiger play golf, we see adrian peterson run the ball, we
see jordan sink that shot. we see it every day. how do we compare?
we don't.
remember that fellow that could weld? he could bend metal and
make most anything. he was admired by all.
now, we go to a special shop, it is sent away to a `professional`
the kids cannot even watch. or, we toss it out and buy new.
remember the guy or gal that could grow anything? they were
really wonderful -admired people. now we go to the garden center
and get help from a ph.d. in ag. how do we stack up? not at all.
we don't go to an experienced gardener, we seek help from a scientist.
most of us as crafts people/artists have to gird our loins. take that
bull and throw them out.
we have to trust ourselves.
we see the same pots, over and over. the same drip, the same
glazes...the same images. we are told...`these are the best there is`.
but, who says they are best? experts? i think often...`don't tell me
how to think, or respond to art...i can do that just fine`.
i think this is one reason home grown craft is coming back. we are
sick of being told what to buy, how to decorate, martha stuart giving
us advice in what and how. we even want to grow our own, sew and mend,
make things. it is starting again.
the death of art is at hand. fake, metaphor, poor craftsmanship panned
out as `the real thing`. and, i always say...`who wants it?` not many.
local art, local craft, people who care and work at what they love.
that is the important stuff. look at humor on tv. making fun of people an=
d
our fine institutions...obscene jokes. sex and violence as humor.
what is funny? not much.
and yet we look to that as important? it is not.
be a local crafts person. promote yourself as a working artist. and the
emphasis is on `working`. making, and doing something of value.
you are not dreaming, you are making. that is real.
and what you make in clay will last a million years. that is forever.
mel
from: minnetonka, mn
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
Phoenix Rising Farm on sat 19 dec 09
I stopped watching or paying attention to anything Ms Stewart did
when I saw a piece of a TV program showing her making a "turducken".
All I could think while watching that was "that's at least 8 meals
for us (family of two + pets) she's ruining...what a waste of food".
Never paid her any attention afterward.
Part of doing it ourselves is not being wasteful.
Which is why most of us recycle our scrap clay,
make our own glaze, buy Phil's tools (that can last generations)
build our own kilns, cut our own wood, grow our own food,
raise our own meat animals, etc.
You can live on a LOT less than the "experts" tell you is possible.
But you "gotta wanna"...and that's a movement also starting again.
The expression "git-er-done" goes hand-in hand with what Mel is saying.
It's how we should have been living all along.
Just my opinion...YMMV
Best,
Wayne Seidl
eastern Maine
-8=3DB0F and sunny...what's up with that?
mel jacobson wrote:
>
> i think this is one reason home grown craft is coming back. we are
> sick of being told what to buy, how to decorate, martha stuart giving
> us advice in what and how. we even want to grow our own, sew and mend,
> make things. it is starting again.=3D20
Lee Love on tue 22 dec 09
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:24 PM, John Connolly
wrote:
> I seem to end up a "devil's advocate" some of the time. I think one
>could include in the great evils of the time, generalizations. They too
> are dangerous and tend to limit understanding and, all too often,
>are said with little regard to how they might be taken.
Yes, generalizations and hypocrisy.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Philip Poburka on tue 22 dec 09
Hi John,
What are you trying to say? Or intending to say?
Would you kindly re-phrase?
"Generalizations are dangerous" ?, which is itself, a 'generalization'...?
Have you any actual, specific generalizations in mind which you object to,
while possibly also including ones you prefer?
Try again?
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Connolly"
I seem to end up a "devil's advocate" some of the time. I think one could
include in the great evils of the time, generalizations. They too are
dangerous and tend to limit understanding and, all too often, are said with
little regard to how they might be taken.
John Connolly in Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico
--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Philip Poburka wrote:
From: Philip Poburka
...below...amid...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phoenix Rising Farm"
>I stopped watching or paying attention to anything Ms Stewart did
>when I saw a piece of a TV program showing her making a "turducken".
>All I could think while watching that was "that's at least 8 meals
>for us (family of two + pets) she's ruining...what a waste of food".
>Never paid her any attention afterward.
Hi Wayne,
Guess she is out of the federal slammerooooski then for that insider-tradin=
g
stuff..?
I was not keeping track.
'TeeVee' is horrid...any of it...all of it...'Horrid'...
If we do not notice how horrid it is...it is at it's insidiously most
horrid.
>Part of doing it ourselves is not being wasteful.
Yes...
One thing which appals me about 'Business' generally - and, the larger the
company, the worse it tends to be - is the 'waste'...the waste of
everything, at every level, the inefficiency, bungling, indifference,
fatuity, wan
job mentalities, and, how the cost of all this is blandly passed on to the
bland, wan, or obliquely coerced
consumer.
Anything 'government' or institution or bureaucracy is even worse...usually=
,
much worse.
>Which is why most of us recycle our scrap clay,
>make our own glaze, buy Phil's tools (that can last generations)
>build our own kilns, cut our own wood, grow our own food,
>raise our own meat animals, etc.
Thanks for the nice mention...golly...
Once I am moved, I too hope to have a Vegetable Garden...do 'Canning'...gro=
w
Bird-Seed and Herbs...Mushrooms maybe...
>You can live on a LOT less than the "experts" tell you is possible.
So true.
I/we can live very well without 'experts' ( in-quotes ), also...
>But you "gotta wanna"...and that's a movement also starting again.
'uncle scam', the 'u.n.', and 'globalists' do not favor it though...
They have their wiles...and minions...too...
>The expression "git-er-done" goes hand-in hand with what Mel is saying.
>It's how we should have been living all along.
Yup
>Just my opinion...YMMV
I agree
>Best,
>Wayne Seidl
>eastern Maine
>-8=B0F and sunny...what's up with that?
It's Winter!!!
Well...is now anyway...
Had 3/4 inch of late Autumnal Ice in the Bird Water Bowls t'other day...
Pretty BRRRRR! for these parts!
Oye...
Phil
Lv
Philip Poburka on tue 22 dec 09
...below...amid...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phoenix Rising Farm"
>I stopped watching or paying attention to anything Ms Stewart did
>when I saw a piece of a TV program showing her making a "turducken".
>All I could think while watching that was "that's at least 8 meals
>for us (family of two + pets) she's ruining...what a waste of food".
>Never paid her any attention afterward.
Hi Wayne,
Guess she is out of the federal slammerooooski then for that insider-tradin=
g
stuff..?
I was not keeping track.
'TeeVee' is horrid...any of it...all of it...'Horrid'...
If we do not notice how horrid it is...it is at it's insidiously most
horrid.
>Part of doing it ourselves is not being wasteful.
Yes...
One thing which appals me about 'Business' generally - and, the larger the
company, the worse it tends to be - is the 'waste'...the waste of
everything, at every level, the inefficiency, bungling, indifference,
fatuity, wan
job mentalities, and, how the cost of all this is blandly passed on to the
bland, wan, or obliquely coerced
consumer.
Anything 'government' or institution or bureaucracy is even worse...usually=
,
much worse.
>Which is why most of us recycle our scrap clay,
>make our own glaze, buy Phil's tools (that can last generations)
>build our own kilns, cut our own wood, grow our own food,
>raise our own meat animals, etc.
Thanks for the nice mention...golly...
Once I am moved, I too hope to have a Vegetable Garden...do 'Canning'...gro=
w
Bird-Seed and Herbs...Mushrooms maybe...
>You can live on a LOT less than the "experts" tell you is possible.
So true.
I/we can live very well without 'experts' ( in-quotes ), also...
>But you "gotta wanna"...and that's a movement also starting again.
'uncle scam', the 'u.n.', and 'globalists' do not favor it though...
They have their wiles...and minions...too...
>The expression "git-er-done" goes hand-in hand with what Mel is saying.
>It's how we should have been living all along.
Yup
>Just my opinion...YMMV
I agree
>Best,
>Wayne Seidl
>eastern Maine
>-8=B0F and sunny...what's up with that?
It's Winter!!!
Well...is now anyway...
Had 3/4 inch of late Autumnal Ice in the Bird Water Bowls t'other day...
Pretty BRRRRR! for these parts!
Oye...
Phil
Lv
John Connolly on tue 22 dec 09
I seem to end up a "devil's advocate" some of the time. I think one could i=
=3D
nclude in the great evils of the time, generalizations. They too are danger=
=3D
ous and tend to limit understanding and, all too often, are said with littl=
=3D
e regard to how they might be taken.
John Connolly in Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico
--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Philip Poburka wrote:
From: Philip Poburka
Subject: Re: craft, art and tv
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 4:40 PM
...below...amid...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phoenix Rising Farm"
>I stopped watching or paying attention to anything Ms Stewart did
>when I saw a piece of a TV program showing her making a "turducken".
>All I could think while watching that was "that's at least 8 meals
>for us (family of two + pets) she's ruining...what a waste of food".
>Never paid her any attention afterward.
Hi Wayne,
Guess she is out of the federal slammerooooski then for that insider-tradin=
=3D
g
stuff..?
I was not keeping track.
'TeeVee' is horrid...any of it...all of it...'Horrid'...
If we do not notice how horrid it is...it is at it's insidiously most
horrid.
>Part of doing it ourselves is not being wasteful.
Yes...
One thing which appals me about 'Business' generally - and, the larger the
company, the worse it tends to be - is the 'waste'...the waste of
everything, at every level, the inefficiency, bungling, indifference,
fatuity, wan
job mentalities, and, how the cost of all this is blandly passed on to the
bland, wan, or obliquely coerced
consumer.
Anything 'government' or institution or bureaucracy is even worse...usually=
=3D
,
much worse.
>Which is why most of us recycle our scrap clay,
>make our own glaze, buy Phil's tools (that can last generations)
>build our own kilns, cut our own wood, grow our own food,
>raise our own meat animals, etc.
Thanks for the nice mention...golly...
Once I am moved, I too hope to have a Vegetable Garden...do 'Canning'...gro=
=3D
w
Bird-Seed and Herbs...Mushrooms maybe...
>You can live on a LOT less than the "experts" tell you is possible.
So true.
I/we can live very well without 'experts' ( in-quotes ), also...
>But you "gotta wanna"...and that's a movement also starting again.
'uncle scam', the 'u.n.', and 'globalists' do not favor it though...
They have their wiles...and minions...too...
>The expression "git-er-done" goes hand-in hand with what Mel is saying.
>It's how we should have been living all along.
Yup
>Just my opinion...YMMV
I agree
>Best,
>Wayne Seidl
>eastern Maine
>-8=3DB0F and sunny...what's up with that?
It's Winter!!!
Well...is now anyway...
Had 3/4 inch of late Autumnal Ice in the Bird Water Bowls t'other day...
Pretty BRRRRR! for these parts!
Oye...
Phil
Lv
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Philip Poburka on wed 23 dec 09
Hi Vince, all...
I dunno...I'm confused about what the complaint was, or, even if it was a
complaint at all.
I hate talking 'over' anyone's head, but if they have no interest to reply
when personally addressed/asked to do so, in order to further clearity,
understanding, then, oh well.
Show me one Post in-a-thousand which does not use or rely on
'generalization', and, we may all savor it in unison.
Generalizations are inseparable from 'general' human thought process and to
disclosures resultant to such.
Why one in-a-thousand generalizations will inspire a pejorative reaction in
one person, about 'generalizations' globally, is beyond me to fathom.
So...
Merry specific ( Western rite now, Eastern in it's turn ) Christmas to
specifically every one individually !
Lol...
Oye...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: craft, art and tv
> Who was it that said "No generalization ever made was worth a damn,
> including that one."
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Vince Pitelka on wed 23 dec 09
Who was it that said "No generalization ever made was worth a damn,
including that one."
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Paul Lewing on thu 24 dec 09
On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Vince Pitelka wrote:
Who was it that said "No generalization ever made was worth a damn,
including that one."
The real quote is "All generalizations are false, including this
one". Oliver Wendell Holmes
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
www.paullewingart.com
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