Paul Herman on sat 2 jan 10
Molly,
A heavy statement indeed. I'm more proof that you can make a living at
pottery alone. Been at it since age 20, for 35 years now. No trust
fund. No diploma of any kind. So when someone tells you "you can't do
that!" please take it with a huge grain of salt. The world is full of
people who want to tell you what to do and what not to do.
Brenna, I think it's entirely appropriate to be brave and take on the
life you want.
Best wishes,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
www.greatbasinpottery.com/
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:44 PM, molly jones wrote:
In response to Lili's message and opinion on apprenticeship I would
like to
say a few things. While there is a lot of good information and
advice... "If
you want to go into any of the arts you MUST be able to earn a living in
another career." is a pretty heavy statement and one I've encountered
from
most of my art and craft professors.
Lee Love on sat 2 jan 10
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:44 PM, molly jones wr=
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>
> will. As for apprenticeship's I think Lili has a lot of important things =
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> keep in mind and I appreciate reading those as I've been considering that
> as
> well.
>
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Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97that=
is, "Th=3D
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land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Lee Love on sat 2 jan 10
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>> will. As for apprenticeship's I think Lili has a lot of important things=
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to
>> keep in mind and I appreciate reading those as I've been considering tha=
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t as
>> well.
Advice is really cheap here. It is good to take advice from
folks who have some experience in the topic spoken about. Molly
knows folks can make a living at art, because she was raised by it.
But also, I would recommend trying to find an apprenticeship
with someone who has actually done an apprenticeship. And not just
read about them in a book.
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97that=
is, "Th=3D
e
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
molly jones on sat 2 jan 10
In response to Lili's message and opinion on apprenticeship I would like to
say a few things. While there is a lot of good information and advice... "I=
f
you want to go into any of the arts you MUST be able to earn a living in
another career." is a pretty heavy statement and one I've encountered from
most of my art and craft professors.
Let me start by saying my mother has supported herself solely with clay
since she was in her early 20's. My father joined her business after my
older brother was born and they've raised two children on mud and mud alone=
.
No trust fund, and as far as I know no inheritance's. It can be done. Now
that I'm pursuing a career in ceramics myself I have to choose how to go
about it as well which is no small task. Hearing people tell me it's hard t=
o
make a living with art is preaching to the choir, but saying in order to
make it you have to be doing something else for money is simply not true. S=
o
Brenna, I hope you hear everyone's warnings and opinions and take them all
to heart while keeping in mind that if you know you want to support yoursel=
f
working with clay, go forth with perseverance and determination and you
will. As for apprenticeship's I think Lili has a lot of important things to
keep in mind and I appreciate reading those as I've been considering that a=
s
well.
- Molly
Paul Herman on sun 3 jan 10
Johanna,
Yes, I'm reminded of Joseph Campbell. Following what the spirit tells
you to do is a scary road to ride. That path has a way of including a
"no turning back" aspect to it. It's usually what the "shoulds" tell
you not to do, but rest assured, it's way more fun to take the path
less traveled.
During my last glazing fest in late October I listened to some CDs of
J. Campbell and really enjoyed them. The Power of Myth I think. You're
right, do what you love.
Best wishes,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
www.greatbasinpottery.com/
On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Johanna San Inocencio wrote:
> I am reminded of Joseph Campbell who said the world is too full of
> people who live unauthentic lives. I was watching his
> Transformations of Myth Through Time series recently, and the last
> one was on the legends of Percival. Joseph Campbell said the reason
> Percival didn't lift the curse the first time he was in the castle
> was because he was listening to the voices of the "shoulds" instead
> of what his spirit was telling him to do. His determined spirit gave
> him another opportunity and the second time he followed his spirit
> and succeeded, If being a potter is the life for you, it will become
> evident. Just keep doing what you love. Be authentic.
> Johanna
> "A man is as free as he chooses to make himself,
> never an atom freer."
> The Raven, Lillith by George MacDonald
>
>
> Paul Herman wrote:
>>
>> Molly,
>>
>> A heavy statement indeed. I'm more proof that you can make a living
>> at
>> pottery alone. Been at it since age 20, for 35 years now. No trust
>> fund. No diploma of any kind. So when someone tells you "you can't do
>> that!" please take it with a huge grain of salt. The world is full of
>> people who want to tell you what to do and what not to do.
>>
>> Brenna, I think it's entirely appropriate to be brave and take on the
>> life you want.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Paul Herman
>>
>> Great Basin Pottery
>> Doyle, California US
>> www.greatbasinpottery.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:44 PM, molly jones wrote:
>>
>> In response to Lili's message and opinion on apprenticeship I would
>> like to
>> say a few things. While there is a lot of good information and
>> advice... "If
>> you want to go into any of the arts you MUST be able to earn a
>> living in
>> another career." is a pretty heavy statement and one I've encountered
>> from
>> most of my art and craft professors.
>>
>>
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Elizabeth Priddy on sun 3 jan 10
The advice that you have to get your advice from one who has done it is bog=
us. The only perspective that will give you is the experience of that one =
person and that one master.
I can guarantee you that your experience with mel's master in Japan and you=
r experience with me in NC would differ so much as to render the the recomm=
endation of either one for the other useless.
An apprentice who hated it will not recommend someone. I can tell you that=
one candidate of mine did not last 2 months and left crying. One went out=
on her own after 2 years. Two others stayed with me for 8 years a piece i=
n varying levels of responsibility. Also, I don't treat my students the sa=
me way I treat paying students. So you can't ask students of a person what=
they are like in an apprenticeship.
Visit any situation before you commit. Your gut will tell you if you want =
to be there for 6 months or a year or more.
Some minor advice on two points of associating closely with a master:
An apprenticeship should include a stipend. If they are not making enough =
to minimally pay their apprentice, they don't need one. I would only take =
an apprentice under the circumstances that they are paid out of proceeds fr=
om their own labor. If you and they cannot discuss money during the intervi=
ewing phase, you should run, not walk away.
Your drinking styles should match. If you can't bond unless there is wine =
or whiskey and your master doesn't drink, you will not be companionable, an=
d that is a necessary feature(they will not want to buy you liquor, and wil=
l see you using the few resources you have for alcohol as a weak mind and w=
ill). Also, if they do not open up without a cup in hand, and you don't to=
uch the stuff, you will never hear the real stories and you will have to si=
t through boring drunken evenings.
An apprenticeship is just another relationship with the common denominator =
of work.
- ePriddy
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
Johanna San Inocencio on sun 3 jan 10
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I am reminded of Joseph Campbell who said the world is too full of
people who live unauthentic lives. I was watching his _Transformations
of Myth Through Time_ series recently, and the last one was on the
legends of Percival. Joseph Campbell said the reason Percival didn't
lift the curse the first time he was in the castle was because he was
listening to the voices of the "shoulds" instead of what his spirit was
telling him to do. His determined spirit gave him another opportunity
and the second time he followed his spirit and succeeded, If being a
potter is the life for you, it will become evident. Just keep doing what
you love. Be authentic.
Johanna
"A man is as free as he chooses to make himself,
never an atom freer."
The Raven, Lillith by George MacDonald
Paul Herman wrote:
> Molly,
>
> A heavy statement indeed. I'm more proof that you can make a living at
> pottery alone. Been at it since age 20, for 35 years now. No trust
> fund. No diploma of any kind. So when someone tells you "you can't do
> that!" please take it with a huge grain of salt. The world is full of
> people who want to tell you what to do and what not to do.
>
> Brenna, I think it's entirely appropriate to be brave and take on the
> life you want.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Paul Herman
>
> Great Basin Pottery
> Doyle, California US
> www.greatbasinpottery.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:44 PM, molly jones wrote:
>
> In response to Lili's message and opinion on apprenticeship I would
> like to
> say a few things. While there is a lot of good information and
> advice... "If
> you want to go into any of the arts you MUST be able to earn a living in
> another career." is a pretty heavy statement and one I've encountered
> from
> most of my art and craft professors.
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