Vince Pitelka on wed 6 jan 10
Hey, if you want a wheel that really throbs, talk to Rimas VisGirda about
the one he built in the 70s and ultimately sold to Brent. It appeared at a=
n
NCECA conference, and was no doubt accurately billed as the world's most
powerful pottery wheel. It was a "portable wheel," trailer mounted, powere=
d
by a 425 cubic inch Oldsmobile V-8 engine, with gearing that resulted in
something like 800 HP to the wheelhead.
Years ago I saw pictures of an amazing wheel used by one of the early 20th
century potters in the Southeast. I wish I could find those pictures again=
.
In this case, the power unit was an AA Ford truck from the late 20s or earl=
y
30s. The engine compartment was outside the potshop, and the frame and
drive train extended inside. The potter had added an extra transmission in
the drive train, cut off one end of the differential housing and welded the
spiders solid, and pivoted the differential so that the other axle pointed
upwards, and mounted a wheelhead on the axle shaft. The speed control leve=
r
was connected by a long linkage to the throttle body on the carburetor. It
was a beautiful, make-shift, improvised solution.
If this sounds familiar to anyone and you know where I can find the
pictures, please let me know.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
mel jacobson on wed 6 jan 10
i had long discussions at brent over wheel noise.
my take is:
if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
at all, how do you know what is going on?
i need sounds, motor, gears...it lets me know
that things are working.
of course, some never know anything...so, what difference
does it make? if the damn thing is over working, or whatever, just
let it die.
the modern way. at this point, i cannot stand being in a battery car.
no sounds of engineering.
a p51 mustang has a sound all its own. the merlin enginie.
i can hear one from ten miles away. i run out of the house
like a shot...look in the sky.
a john deere model b sounds just like a john deere model b.
no other tractor sounds that way. i can hear one coming a mile away.
sound is a blessing. we can understand the mechanism.
silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
throw six millions pounds at one time`. stupid.
brents have a torque hum. it works well.
it you want to pay for the shimpo motor, it is silent.
it costs a great deal more to buy. the brent folks had one
taken apart, i could see how they did it.
there are huge differences in people making pots.
my studio is full of sounds. it is a work place. i trust sound.
the pug mill tells me everything by sound. my wheels make sounds.
the radio, the tv, stereo...we learn to trust the sounds of things.
to take that away, takes a touch of knowledge away from you as a
crafts person. but, if you do not know anything about tools, stupidity
is golden.
if you understand mechanics, driving a car is an adventure of sound
and systems. i hear everything. a bolt loose, a trannie making a hum,
a motor miss.
like flying in a big jet. spool up time, gear coming up,engine pitch chang=
es,
time to loose altitude, bleed off air speed. nothing makes me nervous.
i know the sounds, and depend on them. i fly the plane in my head.
the white knuckles next to me...they are totally ignorant of the
sounds of flying.
the sounds and noise are magic.
i love gas engines that give me sound. (and, they love me.)
mel
from: minnetonka, mn
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
John Hesselberth on wed 6 jan 10
On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:30 PM, mel jacobson wrote:
> sound is a blessing. we can understand the mechanism.
> silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
> throw six millions pounds at one time`. stupid.
>=3D20
> brents have a torque hum. it works well.
> it you want to pay for the shimpo motor, it is silent.
> it costs a great deal more to buy. the brent folks had one
> taken apart, i could see how they did it.
Hi Mel,
That is your opinion--it is not mine. I will never buy a Brent because =3D
of that hum. I find it really irritating. Different strokes for =3D
different folks!
Glad to see you are back and full of piss and vinegar.
Regards,
John
John Rodgers on wed 6 jan 10
melsan wrote:
> i had long discussions at brent over wheel noise.
> my take is:
>
> if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
> at all, how do you know what is going on?
>
>
> like flying in a big jet. spool up time, gear coming up,engine pitch
> changes,
> time to loose altitude, bleed off air speed. nothing makes me nervous.
> i know the sounds, and depend on them. i fly the plane in my head.
> the white knuckles next to me...they are totally ignorant of the
> sounds of flying.
> the sounds and noise are magic.
>
Right on!
As a young pilot and mechanic, I had listening to sounds hammered into
my by old time pilot instructors and mechanic instructors. I had
mechanic instructors who I believe did the first maintenance for Orville
and Wilbur Wright. These guys believed in listening to the machines talk
to you. Hearing what the machines had to tell you would often literally
save your butt. By the sounds you could tell so much about what was
going on. And consequently flying was made more safe.
Those principles still apply. I'm with you. If machinery is totally
silent, it makes me nervous. If it is totally smooth without vibrations,
it makes me nervous. I want to hear the heart beat, I want to hear the
breathing. I want to hear the gurgle of the gut. All that tells me a
great deal.
With airplanes - try starting one on a super cold day - start the engine
- what? no oil pressure? Tap the gauge - listen to the engine - no
rattlety clack? you've got oil pressure - no matter what the gauge says.
If there were no oil being pumped the engine would be very noisy.You
would shut it down. But no rattlety clack - there is pressure - just the
oil sender line froze - give it a while for the engine to warm up - then
the oil pressure gauge will give a proper reading..
The language of the machines - ya just gotta listen. .
Back in the early days of my flying career, I flew a Cessna 195. The
thing had a 300 hp 7 cylinder Jacobs radial engine - with a magneto for
ignition on one side, and a distributor on the other - dual ignition for
redundancy and better power. Once started on the distributor, the
magneto then was switched on, so both were working simultaneously. That
engine had - for pilots and mechanics - the infamous Jacobs hiccup - a
peculiar little hiccup that only seemed to ever occur when you reach
the point of no return over a big body of water, or you had just gotten
out of gliding distance from shore, or you were over the tallest peak
over the mountains.. One would be just cruising along - and the engine
would hiccup. Scared hell out of everybody on board who didn't know the
engine. But I and other pilots and mechanics knew. Jacobs was talking to
us, telling us all was well. If that blasted engine didn't hiccup - it
was time to worry. The engine would talk at least a couple of times the
whole trip through, and it was comforting. I knew what to expect. No
nasty surprises. Pilots lived lives of thousands of hours of sheer
boredom - punctuated by moments of sheer terror. But if we listened to
the machines talking, those moments of sheer terror were reduced
considerably.
Again, the language of the machines - whether potters wheels, kilns gas
or electric, or what have you - ya just gotta listen to what is being
said - then life is sweet.
John
--
John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
Earl Krueger on wed 6 jan 10
I'm with Mel on listening to your machines.
I grew up on a farm driving tractors pulling all sorts
of mechanical contraptions and learned that if over the
roar of the engine I heard something going
whiz-bang-click-clank
instead of
whiz-bang-clank-click
I better stop and see what's going on.
And this still applies to my silent Shimpo, except
in this case if it makes a sound at all then I better
check it out. Easier to detect A sound then an
unusual sound.
So, I'm also with John.
I rejected the Brent because of the annoying hum.
Mel, keep that 2X4 handy. Sounds you may need it
to give that ticker of yours a whack if it acts up again.
Good to see you back with opinions as strong as ever.
earl...
Oregon USA
Lis Allison on wed 6 jan 10
Oooo, can I have a wheel that sounds like a 1969 TR6?
Years ago, I bought a Brent B for a song because it 'chirped'. It still
chirps, in fact I'd freak if it stopped chirping, but it has always worked
fine.
Funny, a whine would drive me nuts, too but a chirp doesn't bother me!
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Joseph Bennion on wed 6 jan 10
I am comforted by the clickety clack and occasional squeak from my leach st=
=3D
yle treadle wheel. I could listen to it all day.Joe the Potter
Joseph Bennion=3D20
=3D0AHorseshoe Mountain Pottery
=3D0AMom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
=3D0APO Box 186 =3D20
=3D0ASpring City, Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
=3D0A435-462-2708=3D20
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--- On Wed, 1/6/10, mel jacobson wrote:
From: mel jacobson
Subject: silent wheels
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:30 PM
i had long discussions at brent over wheel noise.
my take is:
if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
at all, how do you know what is going on?
i need sounds, motor, gears...it lets me know
that things are working.
of course, some never know anything...so, what difference
does it make?=3DA0 if the damn thing is over working, or whatever, just
let it die.
the modern way.=3DA0 at this point, i cannot stand being in a battery car.
no sounds of engineering.
a p51 mustang has a sound all its own.=3DA0 the merlin enginie.
i can hear one from ten miles away. i run out of the house
like a shot...look in the sky.
a john deere model b sounds just like a john deere model b.
no other tractor sounds that way. i can hear one coming a mile away.
sound is a blessing.=3DA0 we can understand the mechanism.
silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
throw six millions pounds at one time`.=3DA0 stupid.
brents have a torque hum.=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0it works well.
it you want to pay for the shimpo motor, it is silent.
it costs a great deal more to buy.=3DA0 the brent folks had one
taken apart, i could see how they did it.
there are huge differences in people making pots.
my studio is full of sounds.=3DA0 it is a work place.=3DA0 i trust sound.
the pug mill tells me everything by sound.=3DA0 my wheels make sounds.
the radio, the tv, stereo...we learn to trust the sounds of things.
to take that away, takes a touch of knowledge away from you as a
crafts person.=3DA0 but, if you do not know anything about tools, stupidity
is golden.
if you understand mechanics, driving a car is an adventure of sound
and systems.=3DA0 i hear everything.=3DA0 a bolt loose, a trannie making a =
hum,
a motor miss.
like flying in a big jet.=3DA0 spool up time, gear coming up,engine pitch c=
ha=3D
nges,
time to loose altitude, bleed off air speed.=3DA0 nothing makes me nervous.
i know the sounds, and depend on them.=3DA0 i fly the plane in my head.
the white knuckles next to me...they are totally ignorant of the
sounds of flying.
the sounds and noise are magic.
i love gas engines that give me sound. (and, they love me.)
mel
from: minnetonka, mn
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart link:=3DA0 http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
John Post on wed 6 jan 10
I'm in the Hesseberth silent camp on this one. I hate the sound of
Brent wheels.
I love my Bailey wheel. Quiet as can be. One big attached splash
pan, the price is a little more than half of what a Brent is and the
ergonomics of it let you sit right up close to the wheel head, so it's
great for teaching kids on it.
Those old Shimpos with the cone drive sound like your throwing on a
grinding wheel, though I did like the tic-tic-tic noise they make as
the wheels are powered off.
I was reading a book on how the brain develops. When a baby is
growing in the womb, the auditory nerve develops quite early in the
process and the brain develops almost around it. Sound it turns out
is an important part of human and cognitive development. Maybe it is
because verbal communication is so important to us as humans.
Another interesting point in the book was that sounds in our
environment can affect our health. Low rumbling sounds from nearby
freeways or construction can makes us feel physically tired. Of
course most cities zone areas around freeways for hotels and
apartments... maybe the city planners don't spend their spare time
reading brain development books or they figure someone has to put up
with the noise, let's let it be the tourists, they're tired anyways.
John Post
Sterling Heights, Michigan
:: cone 6 glaze website :: http://www.johnpost.us
:: elementary art website :: http://www.wemakeart.org
On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:51 PM, John Hesselberth wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:30 PM, mel jacobson wrote:
>
>> sound is a blessing. we can understand the mechanism.
>> silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
>> throw six millions pounds at one time`. stupid.
>>
>> brents have a torque hum. it works well.
>> it you want to pay for the shimpo motor, it is silent.
>> it costs a great deal more to buy. the brent folks had one
>> taken apart, i could see how they did it.
>
> Hi Mel,
>
> That is your opinion--it is not mine. I will never buy a Brent
> because of that hum. I find it really irritating. Different strokes
> for different folks!
>
> Glad to see you are back and full of piss and vinegar.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
Victoria E. Hamilton on wed 6 jan 10
Make mine a 1959 TR3 with a Judson supercharger! Yesssss.
Vicki
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Lis Allison
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:28 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Silent Wheels
Oooo, can I have a wheel that sounds like a 1969 TR6?
Years ago, I bought a Brent B for a song because it 'chirped'. It still
chirps, in fact I'd freak if it stopped chirping, but it has always worked
fine.
Funny, a whine would drive me nuts, too but a chirp doesn't bother me!
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Amy Romaniec on wed 6 jan 10
I have LOVED the sound of my brent wheel for 35 years ---Sounds like money =
=3D
to me!
Amy Romaniec
Highhorsefarmpottery
> Date: Wed=3D2C 6 Jan 2010 18:18:14 -0800
> From: joe.the.potter@ROCKETMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: silent wheels
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>=3D20
> I am comforted by the clickety clack and occasional squeak from my leach =
=3D
style treadle wheel. I could listen to it all day.Joe the Potter
>=3D20
> Joseph Bennion=3D20
>=3D20
> Horseshoe Mountain Pottery
>=3D20
> Mom's Stuff Healing Salve=3D20
>=3D20
> PO Box 186 =3D20
>=3D20
> Spring City=3D2C Utah 84662 =
=3D
=3D20
>=3D20
> 435-462-2708=3D20
>=3D20
> www.horseshoemountainpottery.com
>=3D20
> --- On Wed=3D2C 1/6/10=3D2C mel jacobson wrote:
>=3D20
> From: mel jacobson
> Subject: silent wheels
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Date: Wednesday=3D2C January 6=3D2C 2010=3D2C 3:30 PM
>=3D20
> i had long discussions at brent over wheel noise.
> my take is:
>=3D20
> if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
> at all=3D2C how do you know what is going on?
> i need sounds=3D2C motor=3D2C gears...it lets me know
> that things are working.
> of course=3D2C some never know anything...so=3D2C what difference
> does it make? if the damn thing is over working=3D2C or whatever=3D2C ju=
st
> let it die.
> the modern way. at this point=3D2C i cannot stand being in a battery car=
.
> no sounds of engineering.
>=3D20
> a p51 mustang has a sound all its own. the merlin enginie.
> i can hear one from ten miles away. i run out of the house
> like a shot...look in the sky.
>=3D20
> a john deere model b sounds just like a john deere model b.
> no other tractor sounds that way. i can hear one coming a mile away.
>=3D20
> sound is a blessing. we can understand the mechanism.
> silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
> throw six millions pounds at one time`. stupid.
>=3D20
> brents have a torque hum. it works well.
> it you want to pay for the shimpo motor=3D2C it is silent.
> it costs a great deal more to buy. the brent folks had one
> taken apart=3D2C i could see how they did it.
>=3D20
> there are huge differences in people making pots.
>=3D20
> my studio is full of sounds. it is a work place. i trust sound.
> the pug mill tells me everything by sound. my wheels make sounds.
> the radio=3D2C the tv=3D2C stereo...we learn to trust the sounds of thing=
s.
> to take that away=3D2C takes a touch of knowledge away from you as a
> crafts person. but=3D2C if you do not know anything about tools=3D2C stu=
pidi=3D
ty
> is golden.
>=3D20
> if you understand mechanics=3D2C driving a car is an adventure of sound
> and systems. i hear everything. a bolt loose=3D2C a trannie making a hu=
m=3D
=3D2C
> a motor miss.
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> like flying in a big jet. spool up time=3D2C gear coming up=3D2Cengine p=
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> time to loose altitude=3D2C bleed off air speed. nothing makes me nervou=
s.
> i know the sounds=3D2C and depend on them. i fly the plane in my head.
> the white knuckles next to me...they are totally ignorant of the
> sounds of flying.
> the sounds and noise are magic.
>=3D20
> i love gas engines that give me sound. (and=3D2C they love me.)
> mel
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> from: minnetonka=3D2C mn
> website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
> new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
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Lee Love on wed 6 jan 10
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Post wrote=
=3D
:
> I'm in the Hesseberth silent camp on this one. =3DA0I hate the sound of
> Brent wheels.
>
> I love my Bailey wheel. =3DA0Quiet as can be.
Soldners don't bad either.
Three things I like about my Shimpo Gold are:
It takes off smoothly and will run slow.
It will free wheel when off (you push the pedal wide open.)
I set it so if you stop hard to the off position, it will turn
clockwise slowly.
I don't know why they stop making the cone drive wheels.
It is what most potters use in Mashiko. I only saw the whisper at
Joyful Honda.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Maurice Weitman on wed 6 jan 10
At 17:30 -0600 on 1/6/10, mel jacobson wrote:
>if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
>at all, how do you know what is going on?
I know what's going on by watching and feeling the wheel work. A
"silent" motor will still make SOME sound, just not the whines,
clicks, groans, and squeaks of noisier ones. My legs and hands are
in sufficient contact with the wheel to feel how well the motor
and/or wheel are working.
Listening to a noisy wheel or other mechanical device is like banging
your head against the wall: it feels so good when it stops.
(I mostly use a Pacifica 800, and spend time keeping it well
lubricated, adjusted, and clean to minimize its noise. When I grow
up, I hope to get an even quieter wheel.)
I value my hearing. Many of my friends are musicians who have lost
lots of their hearing. Imagine, a musician who cannot hear the
subtleties of their and others' beautiful creations. I'd rather save
my hearing for the nearly silent sounds of a bird at one of the
feeders outside, the cat walking down the hall, the breathing of a
cellist or violinist between strokes, the overtones of a complex
chord on a piano.
>the modern way. at this point, i cannot stand being in a battery car.
>no sounds of engineering.
Driving in an electric car, or a hybrid while it's powered by its
electric motor is PRECISELY the sound of engineering. When I step on
the brake, I hear the sound of the driveshaft becoming part of a
generator, the sound of the battery being charged by the force of
slowing down a 3,000 pound car instead of generating heat on, and
wearing the brakes. And I appreciate the silence from the gas
engine at a stop light until it comes back on when the car gets up to
40 mph. THAT'S engineering. It's the sound of a car getting 45
miles per gallon and putting out half the pollution and using half
the fuel of noisier cars with yesterday's engineering.
Not all modern ways are bad or signs of decay.
Peace out.
Regards,
Maurice
paul gerhold on thu 7 jan 10
Noise that is unnecessary is annoying. Electrical motor hum is just bad
design. Mel, you can usually tell if a wheel is working cause the wheel
head goes around. Engineering something to be as quiet as possible is just
good design. When something quiet starts making noise you have a problem-
If the machine makes unnecessary noise this early warning system is reduced=
.
Paul G.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM, mel jacobson wrote:
> i had long discussions at brent over wheel noise.
> my take is:
>
> if you cannot hear the motor or the mechanism
> at all, how do you know what is going on?
> i need sounds, motor, gears...it lets me know
> that things are working.
> of course, some never know anything...so, what difference
> does it make? if the damn thing is over working, or whatever, just
> let it die.
> the modern way. at this point, i cannot stand being in a battery car.
> no sounds of engineering.
>
> a p51 mustang has a sound all its own. the merlin enginie.
> i can hear one from ten miles away. i run out of the house
> like a shot...look in the sky.
>
> a john deere model b sounds just like a john deere model b.
> no other tractor sounds that way. i can hear one coming a mile away.
>
> sound is a blessing. we can understand the mechanism.
> silent wheels are a new sales gimmick....like `this wheel will
> throw six millions pounds at one time`. stupid.
>
> brents have a torque hum. it works well.
> it you want to pay for the shimpo motor, it is silent.
> it costs a great deal more to buy. the brent folks had one
> taken apart, i could see how they did it.
>
> there are huge differences in people making pots.
>
> my studio is full of sounds. it is a work place. i trust sound.
> the pug mill tells me everything by sound. my wheels make sounds.
> the radio, the tv, stereo...we learn to trust the sounds of things.
> to take that away, takes a touch of knowledge away from you as a
> crafts person. but, if you do not know anything about tools, stupidity
> is golden.
>
> if you understand mechanics, driving a car is an adventure of sound
> and systems. i hear everything. a bolt loose, a trannie making a hum,
> a motor miss.
>
> like flying in a big jet. spool up time, gear coming up,engine pitch
> changes,
> time to loose altitude, bleed off air speed. nothing makes me nervous.
> i know the sounds, and depend on them. i fly the plane in my head.
> the white knuckles next to me...they are totally ignorant of the
> sounds of flying.
> the sounds and noise are magic.
>
> i love gas engines that give me sound. (and, they love me.)
> mel
>
>
>
>
>
> from: minnetonka, mn
> website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
> clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html.com/%7Emelpots/clayart.html>
> new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
>
Steve Mills on thu 7 jan 10
Vince,
That has resonances with a wheel I saw in use at Ewenny Pottery in South
Wales many years ago.
In that one a complete rear axle assembly from a small UK saloon car was
mounted in a similar way with the Differential Nose-piece facing up and a
steel disc bolted to it. The rest of the drive was achieved by retaining a
road wheel on one end (brakes removed) with an electric motor under,
connected by a V belt to the road wheel, running at constant speed. At the
other end the drum brake had been retained with the hand brake cable
attached to a pedal. Speed control was by pressing on the pedal, so
transferring drive to the wheelhead. taking your foot off the pedal caused =
a
gentle slow-down, but for stopping or quick slowing(!) there was a lever on
the wheel tray which applied a "brake" to the underside of the wheelhead!
The whole thing was pretty bulky, but it never skipped a beat, producing a
deep throaty rumble, and was in constant use for a long time.
I must say I like the idea of a V8 powered wheel though, but that's the
"petrol head" in me!
Steve M
2010/1/7 Vince Pitelka
> Hey, if you want a wheel that really throbs, talk to Rimas VisGirda about
> the one he built in the 70s and ultimately sold to Brent. It appeared at
> an
> NCECA conference, and was no doubt accurately billed as the world's most
> powerful pottery wheel. It was a "portable wheel," trailer mounted,
> powered
> by a 425 cubic inch Oldsmobile V-8 engine, with gearing that resulted in
> something like 800 HP to the wheelhead.
>
> Years ago I saw pictures of an amazing wheel used by one of the early 20t=
h
> century potters in the Southeast. I wish I could find those pictures
> again.
> In this case, the power unit was an AA Ford truck from the late 20s or
> early
> 30s. The engine compartment was outside the potshop, and the frame and
> drive train extended inside. The potter had added an extra transmission =
in
> the drive train, cut off one end of the differential housing and welded t=
he
> spiders solid, and pivoted the differential so that the other axle pointe=
d
> upwards, and mounted a wheelhead on the axle shaft. The speed control
> lever
> was connected by a long linkage to the throttle body on the carburetor. =
It
> was a beautiful, make-shift, improvised solution.
>
> If this sounds familiar to anyone and you know where I can find the
> pictures, please let me know.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft
> Tennessee Tech University
> vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
>
--
Steve
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
steve graber on thu 7 jan 10
i had an old dickerson kiln that typically had that engine noise when firin=
=3D
g.=3DA0 but one day suddenly went DEAD QUIET!=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ait scared the =
crap out=3D
of me!=3DA0 =3DA0i kept thinking it was going to explode or something.=3DA=
0 this=3D
was at around 1900F.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ait never made noise again and i eventu=
ally g=3D
ave that klin away to someone when i moved.=3DA0=3DA0now my=3DA0current hom=
e buil=3D
t kiln makes the wonderful 727 sputter when firing...=3DA0 =3D0A=3DA0Steve =
Graber=3D
, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - =
for =3D
awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.c=
om=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blog=
s/ =3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Message ----=3D0A> From: John Rodgers HARTER.N=3D
ET>=3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 5:0=
5:03=3D
PM=3D0A> Subject: Re: silent wheels=3D0A> =3D0A> melsan wrote:=3D0A> > i h=
ad long =3D
discussions at brent over wheel noise.=3D0A> > my take is:=3D0A> >=3D0A> > =
if you=3D
cannot hear the motor or the mechanism=3D0A> > at all, how do you know wha=
t =3D
is going on?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
James Coenen on fri 8 jan 10
Aside from the noise or no noise debate, one of the things I really
like about the Shimpo Whisper is that the legs come off and it can
tilt up against the wall when I'm not using it. Mine fits nicely
behind
the seat to my Leach wheel and that frees up a lot of space in my small
studio. With the legs off it can also sit on a table top or platform
for those who want to throw standing up.
James Coenen
Ke-yaki Pottery
Dave Lyons on fri 8 jan 10
I don't mind the hum on my Brent B all that much. However when I put my
Griffin Grip on it there seems to be a dissonant resonance type of vibratio=
n
that drives me crazy at times depending on the object being trimmed. The
bigger the pot, the less the problem I have. I've tried shims on the botto=
m
where the rubber retainer is located, putting padding between the wheel hea=
d
and the grip, and shims between the two halves of the Griffin Grip. Nothin=
g
satisfactory has resolved the annoying noise. What works best is a shim
between the two halves. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a fix?
Is it the Brent, or is it the Griffin Grip? Both?
Dave Lyons
The New Pittsville Pottery
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of paul gerhold
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:15 AM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: silent wheels
Noise that is unnecessary is annoying. Electrical motor hum is just bad
design. Mel, you can usually tell if a wheel is working cause the wheel
head goes around. Engineering something to be as quiet as possible is just
good design. When something quiet starts making noise you have a problem-
If the machine makes unnecessary noise this early warning system is reduced=
.
Paul G.
Bonnie Staffel on fri 8 jan 10
My first electric wheel was built by a potter friend. He got the motor =3D
from
some part of the airplane I think, it has been so long ago. But I was
thrilled to get off the stand up kick wheel. That wheel was the =3D
noisiest
motor ever heard. One could not even hear the phone ring over it. But it =
=3D
was
a powerful wheel and I learned to throw on it as it had very good =3D
control
over the speed. Then after I started to make some money selling pots, I
invested in one of the early Shimpos. It was so quiet it was a pleasure =3D
to
my ears.
=3D20
My current CI and Brent are nice and quiet.=3D20
=3D20
I like the TV on as it feels like I have company in the studio. It =3D
doesn't
matter what they are saying, I just like voices and chatter as that was =3D
the
atmosphere when I had my studio/gallery on the highway. A busy bustling
pottery making pots with the apprentices.=3D20
=3D20
Now my only noisy piece of machinery in my studio is the pug mill. I use =
=3D
the
pug mill for about an hour or two when preparing my clay for the day and
then it is over.
=3D20
I am hoping for the day when the vacuum cleaner manufacturers can make a
noiseless vacuum. That sound drives me crazy. Even my furnace is loud =3D
since
I have been wearing a hearing aid; add to that noise the humidifier,
it is no wonder I have lost my hearing. Not really. Just woke up =3D
one
morning and it was gone.
=3D20
Regards, Bonnie Staffel
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=3D20
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http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
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douglas fur on fri 8 jan 10
Mel
The noise is the feed back system, Joe mentions the sound of his Leach whee=
l
but he also has the direct feed back through his leg. With electric wheels
all you have is the noise.
(like the old "masters reliance"[?] sparky wheels- sitting in a friends
studio with the AM radio cranked trying to cover the static generated by hi=
s
wheel) a long second best to the direct sense Joe has.
DRB
SEattle
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