Cyndi Casemier-Johnson on tue 12 jan 10
Thank you for the extensive information regarding keywords. I knew that I
would get a lot of information from all of you. I appreciate your taking
the time to share some of your knowledge.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Brandon Schwartz wrot=
e:
> I agree with Lee, find some specifics that make your work unique. Maybe
> include what kind of clay/temp/glaze/forms/style. You might also conside=
r
> some geographic keywords if you sell a lot of your work locally and you
> think people might search for "(style-of-work) in (location)". If people
> might search for you by name make sure you use your name enough that the
> search results will point to you first or 2nd.
>
> I've been doing a lot of research lately about keywords and search engine
> optimization because I'm working on a new site.
> Here are a few keyword tools that I used:
> https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
> http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/
> http://www.google.com/sktool/#
>
> I like the top one because it shows the competition and search volume for
> each term. From what I understand you want to find keywords with good
> search volume but not a lot of competition, especially when starting out.
> More specific or "long tail keywords" would be a good idea to start with.
> I''m not sure how specific the tools get though. I typed in Mashiko and
> seemed to get some results.
>
> You probably already know most of this but if you're looking for more inf=
o
> you can check out
> http://www.seomoz.org/
> http://www.searchenginejournal.com/
> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=3Den&answer=3D3=
5291
> or a number of other sites about search engine optimization. From what
> I've
> read you probably won't be at the top of the google results over night an=
d
> there are a lot of other factors involved besides keywords. Most notably
> the amount and quality of other sites that link to your site.
>
> Good luck!
> Brandon "Fuzzy" Schwartz
> Art by Fuzzy - (when I made this site I had n=
o
> idea about seo and keywords!)
> Pottery Making Info
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Cyndi Casemier-Johnson <
> cyndicasemierceramics@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a list of "keywords" that any of you have used when
> > building your websites. I was informed that you should build these int=
o
> > your site so that when something similar to your business is queried on
> > google, your website will come up as a possibility. Thanks for the
> > information.
> >
> > --
> > have a great day,
> >
> > Cyndi Casemier Johnson
> >
>
--
have a great day,
Cyndi Casemier Johnson
D. Michael Coffee on tue 12 jan 10
As for search engines, content is king and where that content exist on a
page is important. It's important to use all your important and "relevant"
keywords in the natural flow of your sites informational content. Be sure t=
o
not over use keywords in your content as this can result in negative rating=
s
by the search engines.
Michael
http://www.dmcarts.com
D. Michael & Denise E. Coffee
DMC Arts, LLC
www.dmcarts.com
SHY RABBIT Contemporary Arts
www.shyrabbit.com
333 Bastille Dr., B-1 thru B-4
PO Box 5887
Pagosa Springs, CO 81147
970.731.2766 (tele)
shyrabbit01@aol.com
dmcarts2u@aol.com
Cyndi Casemier-Johnson on tue 12 jan 10
I am looking for a list of "keywords" that any of you have used when
building your websites. I was informed that you should build these into
your site so that when something similar to your business is queried on
google, your website will come up as a possibility. Thanks for the
information.
--
have a great day,
Cyndi Casemier Johnson
Lee Love on tue 12 jan 10
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Cyndi Casemier-Johnson
wrote:
> I am looking for a list of "keywords" that any of you have used when
> building your websites.
It depends on your work. If you type in "Mashiko Potter" or
"mashiko pottery", I pop up 1st and 2nd.
Think of things that make your work unique: your
influences, your favorite potters, etc.
My friend Euan Craig posts more photos of his work, so he appears
ahead of me when you do a photo shoot.
--=3D20
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Brandon Schwartz on tue 12 jan 10
I agree with Lee, find some specifics that make your work unique. Maybe
include what kind of clay/temp/glaze/forms/style. You might also consider
some geographic keywords if you sell a lot of your work locally and you
think people might search for "(style-of-work) in (location)". If people
might search for you by name make sure you use your name enough that the
search results will point to you first or 2nd.
I've been doing a lot of research lately about keywords and search engine
optimization because I'm working on a new site.
Here are a few keyword tools that I used:
https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/
http://www.google.com/sktool/#
I like the top one because it shows the competition and search volume for
each term. From what I understand you want to find keywords with good
search volume but not a lot of competition, especially when starting out.
More specific or "long tail keywords" would be a good idea to start with.
I''m not sure how specific the tools get though. I typed in Mashiko and
seemed to get some results.
You probably already know most of this but if you're looking for more info
you can check out
http://www.seomoz.org/
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=3Den&answer=3D352=
91
or a number of other sites about search engine optimization. From what I'v=
e
read you probably won't be at the top of the google results over night and
there are a lot of other factors involved besides keywords. Most notably
the amount and quality of other sites that link to your site.
Good luck!
Brandon "Fuzzy" Schwartz
Art by Fuzzy - (when I made this site I had no
idea about seo and keywords!)
Pottery Making Info
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Cyndi Casemier-Johnson <
cyndicasemierceramics@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking for a list of "keywords" that any of you have used when
> building your websites. I was informed that you should build these into
> your site so that when something similar to your business is queried on
> google, your website will come up as a possibility. Thanks for the
> information.
>
> --
> have a great day,
>
> Cyndi Casemier Johnson
>
Anthony Ferguson on tue 12 jan 10
Cyndi,
I actually just explained this to a potential client (from this list infact=
)
for building her website.
In fact, any of you who are looking into building a website or hiring
someone may find this information useful.
Cyndi, your keywords all depend on the content of your site. Anyone can pu=
t
any keyword in their meta-tags but it that is not the only factor for searc=
h
engine placement--and here's the rub: it must correlate with the rest of
the content in the site. The bots look for a relationship between your
keywords and the rest of the pages on your site. This also contributes to
how you are ranked. So, here's what I do:
1. do searches for sites that are like yours, what yours will be,
etc--including similar content.
2. Take the top 5 websites and look at their source code
3. After comparing on contrasting their source code, build your own list
and then modify to suit your site. In fact, you can copy and paste and the=
n
modify accordingly.
4. Tagging images with related key words from your pages I am recall will
also help--this is labor intensive as you have to do this to each individua=
l
image so I usually only do this with design related images--not for sale
5. Register your site with the search engines: yahoo, google, etc.
Have fun
Tony
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Cyndi Casemier-Johnson <
cyndicasemierceramics@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking for a list of "keywords" that any of you have used when
> building your websites. I was informed that you should build these into
> your site so that when something similar to your business is queried on
> google, your website will come up as a possibility. Thanks for the
> information.
>
> --
> have a great day,
>
> Cyndi Casemier Johnson
>
--
Cheers,
Tony
__________________________
Tony Ferguson, MA Visual Arts
Artist/Educator
http://www.tonyferguson.net
http://www.fergyphoto.com
Workshops, Training & Online Education
Brandon Schwartz on wed 13 jan 10
Steve (and others),
You mentioned making text that is hidden to visitors but visible to search
engines.
BE CAREFUL!
Google, and I would assume other search engines, have rules against that.
They even say that you your pages will be removed for things like that. I'=
m
not sure if they would actually catch you or how long it would take but I
like to play it safe. You can find out more about it here:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=3Den&answer=3D663=
53
I've heard shady search engine optimization techniques referred to as "blac=
k
hat" and the techniques that follow the rules as "white hat" if you're
looking for something to google.
I'm pretty interested in the different languages approach. I was just
thinking about that today. After hearing about the China vs. Google issue =
I
did some reading and found out that the largest search engine in China is
actually www.baidu.com. I wonder how hard it would be to get ranked there
or if it would bring you any business? Of course everything is in Chinese
and Google Translate wasn't working for me so maybe I'll try again later.
Also, good point about the miss-spellings! I always forget about that.
Brandon "Fuzzy" Schwartz
Art by Fuzzy
Pottery Making Info
Jim Willett on wed 13 jan 10
One thing to remember when you are checking your web site placement,=3D20
especially on Google, is to be sure you are not signed in to your Google =
=3D
account=3D20
when you do the checking. Google is so smart that it takes your favourite=
=3D
sites=3D20
and search history and gives you the sites it thinks you like first. As a=
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result your=3D20
site may be number one or two on your own computer but second or third (o=
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r=3D20
lower) page for everyone else.
Jim Willett
Out of the Fire Studio
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
Lee Love on wed 13 jan 10
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Jim Willett wrote=
=3D
:
>
> One thing to remember when you are checking your web site placement,
> especially on Google, is to be sure you are not signed in to your Google =
=3D
account
> when you do the checking. Google is so smart that it takes your favourite=
=3D
sites
> and search history and gives you the sites it thinks you like first. As a=
=3D
result your
> site may be number one or two on your own computer but second or third (o=
=3D
r
> lower) page for everyone else.
Actually, =3DA0 you can move your site up, but if you do this, you get a
green arrow next to the site. (I just tested.)
=3DA0 =3DA0 The good aspect of being signed in, is that the paid=3DA0=3DA0 =
listings
disappear at the top.
=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 I was having fun at the google.cn site.=3DA0=3DA0 Google ha=
s been hav=3D
ing
massive attacks against human rights activists' gmail accounts, so
they dropped their use of the censoring list the Chinese government
gave them. =3DA0 So things like the Dalai Lama and human rights listings
are showing up.
=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0=3DA0 The funny aspect at the google.cn site, is that whil=
e my fri=3D
end
Euan is listed higher than me on Mashiko searches at google usa, I am
listed higher at google.cn =3DA0=3DA0 It maybe because Euan is in Japan.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97that=
is, "Th=3D
e
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
steve graber on wed 13 jan 10
my website provider, godaddy.com, has a folder in the background i can use =
=3D
for adding keywords.=3DA0 it seems to work well since i can get visitor fee=
db=3D
ack from=3DA0godaddy showing me keywords used to find my site.=3DA0 =3D0A=
=3D0Awrite=3D
down as many keywords for your name and product as you can.=3DA0 miss spel=
l=3D
=3DA0them as many ways as you can.=3DA0 ~ ask someone like me to spell them=
als=3D
o to make sure you get all the creative miss spellings...=3DA0 pull out a t=
he=3D
saurus and look up the key words you picked to get alternates.=3DA0 =3D0A=
=3D0Ai w=3D
as extremely surprised when trying to find pottery stores just how many hav=
=3D
e stores have websites that CAN NOT be found!=3DA0 when launching the potte=
ry=3D
tool product, i used the usual sources like ceramics monthly and clay time=
=3D
s magazines, using those ads to find established stores.=3DA0 that was easy=
-=3D
just go contact them...=3DA0 however the next tier of searching was to use=
y=3D
ahoo and google (they provide different results) and look up "pottery suppl=
=3D
y", "ceramic supply", etc.=3DA0=3DA0 i eventually also used the census top =
200 =3D
cities to look up "boise idaho pottery supply" to try to find stores in spe=
=3D
cific towns.=3DA0 SURPRISINGLY i found stores with websites that were not t=
o =3D
be found almost until i stumbled onto their specific name!=3DA0 i also foun=
d =3D
stores with no website this way from the yahoo yellow pages.=3DA0 ~ getting=
j=3D
ust phone number and address.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Aso key words NEED to be used t=
o esta=3D
blish your websites.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ai also found since posting fun pictures=
of Gr=3D
eek Athena Vases or American Indian Pottery, that people looking up that se=
=3D
t of words find me and visit (and stay a long time) because i posted pictur=
=3D
es titled "Greek Vase" and have my stunt double "Athena" on my page.=3DA0 ~=
s=3D
o pictures should have titles to also be found.=3DA0 (Athena is still one o=
f =3D
the most downloaded images i have).=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ai don't know the details=
of ho=3D
w search engines work, but they do find details on all our pages.=3DA0 this=
b=3D
ackground folder godaddy has works well.=3DA0 text on the basic pages also =
is=3D
readily found.=3DA0 i have heard but haven't tried putting text on my page=
a=3D
nd color it the same as the background to make it invisible to a visitor.=
=3D
=3DA0 search engines do not see color - only text.=3DA0 another detail i st=
umbl=3D
ed onto was via google-translate.=3DA0 i wrote up a paragraph about the tex=
tu=3D
re tool and used the translate to put it into several other languages.=3DA0=
i=3D
posted those paragraphs onto a page to try to help potters around the worl=
=3D
d understand this tool.=3DA0 i then found from godaddy feedback that severa=
l =3D
translated phrases are actually being used to find my website and they also=
=3D
stay a while.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ai took a clew from translate and search for s=
tores =3D
now around the world.=3DA0 not knowing a thing about what i'm looking for (=
fe=3D
eling very illiterate) but knowing pottery wheels are usually sold by potte=
=3D
ry supply stores i was then able to find german, italian, etc stores and se=
=3D
nd them some e-mail about the tool.=3DA0 so far i haven't gotten thru with =
a =3D
purchase order but i do see visitors from around the world more often now..=
=3D
..=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Aother methods will be held close to my heart unless i get=
hugs o=3D
r beers at NCECA......=3DA0 =3D0A=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=
=3D0AClare=3D
mont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0=
Awww=3D
..graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay=
's webs=3D
ite=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original=
Message -=3D
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To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 3:09:19 PM=
=3D0A>=3D
Subject: keyword help for website=3D0A> =3D0A> I am looking for a list of =
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Lee Love on thu 14 jan 10
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Brandon Schwartz wro=
=3D
te:
> Steve (and others),
>
> You mentioned making text that is hidden to visitors but visible to searc=
=3D
h
> engines.
Brandon, that is the purpose of meta keyword tags. But they are
obsolete, because Google does not use them.
"in September 2009 Matt Cutts of Google announced that they are no
longer taking keywords into account whatsoever"
"For those unaware, the meta keyword tag is a way to insert text into
an HTML page that is not visible when the page is viewed through a
browser. Some search engines have read the content of the tag and
associated the words within it along with the page's regular body
copy."
Read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_element
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Brandon Schwartz on thu 14 jan 10
Lee,
I was referring to this part of Steve's message:
*"i have heard but haven't tried putting text on my page and color it the
same as the background to make it invisible to a visitor. search engines d=
=3D
o
not see color - only text."*
I assumed that when he was talking about coloring the text the same as the
background he was referring to the text between the html tags in his
document since I'm not aware of the text (keywords, description, etc)
between the head tags having a "color".
But I still have a lot to learn. I just know google doesn't endorse
"hiding" text or links. You do bring up a good point that keywords in meta
tags aren't as important as they used to be. Make sure you have your
keywords in your titles, heading tags, and emphasized in a few places in
your documents. I'm sure there are other key spots but that's all I can
remember off the top of my head....
Brandon "Fuzzy" Schwartz
Art by Fuzzy
Pottery Making Info
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Lee Love wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Brandon Schwartz
> wrote:
> > Steve (and others),
> >
> > You mentioned making text that is hidden to visitors but visible to
> search
> > engines.
>
> Brandon, that is the purpose of meta keyword tags. But they are
> obsolete, because Google does not use them.
>
> "in September 2009 Matt Cutts of Google announced that they are no
> longer taking keywords into account whatsoever"
>
> "For those unaware, the meta keyword tag is a way to insert text into
> an HTML page that is not visible when the page is viewed through a
> browser. Some search engines have read the content of the tag and
> associated the words within it along with the page's regular body
> copy."
>
>
> Read more here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_element
>
> --
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>
> "Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97t=
hat is, =3D
"The
> land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
> within itself." -- John O'Donohue
>
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