Ron Roy on thu 4 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
Hi Dave,
I don't think there is an inside solution - the central vac systems
put the dust outside - where it should be.
You don't need the vent system installed - just the vac outside - with
a hose through the open window and fresh air coming in from the other
side of the building.
RR
Quoting Dave Drake :
> Oneida ran an add in Cer. Monthly for their product "The Dust Deputy"
> claiming it's for clay dust. It's a relatiively cheap cyclone stuck befo=
r
> the shop vac. Wood workers love it and it's badless. BUT I find it hard=
to
> believe that it safely removes the finest si and clay particals.
>
> One review by a drywall contracter said it helped, but his filter soon
> clogged up so it wasn't good for the small fine particles!
>
> So what is this really approved (and Proven) to work for? I have a brick
> house, so cutting an exterior vent isn't a pleasant thought for a
> central unit.
>
> here is the amazon link
> http://www.amazon.com/cyclone-5-gallon-diameter-assembly-hardware/product=
-reviews/B002MMIJBQ/ref=3Ddp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=3DUTF8&showViewpoints=3D1
>
> and the companies link: http://dustdeputy.com/
>
> A search on these archives seems to say previous cyclone vaccums like Dys=
on
> don't get the small particles so A true HEPA is required and external
> exhaust the best.
>
> Others mention a water trap system where the dirty air goes underwater to
> trap the fines. I doubt that works as if the are suspended in air, many =
if
> not most will make it thru w/o contacting water.
>
> Anythoughts on what would be a good interior system that requires few
> expensive HEPA filter changes?
>
> Thanks--DD
>
Rikki Gill on thu 4 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
Hi Dave,
Central Vacs, those that vent outside the building are the best. I have
used mine for years now, and it does a great job. It is less expensive, an=
d
was rated just as good when I bought mine.
It is a Galaxy, made near Boston, and you can goggle them.
Good luck,
Rikki Gill
rikigil@sbcglobal.net
www.rikkigillceramics.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Drake"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Cylcon dust removers (was) air filtration systems, air movement,
and HEPA filters
Oneida ran an add in Cer. Monthly for their product "The Dust Deputy"
claiming it's for clay dust. It's a relatiively cheap cyclone stuck befor
the shop vac. Wood workers love it and it's badless. BUT I find it hard t=
o
believe that it safely removes the finest si and clay particals.
One review by a drywall contracter said it helped, but his filter soon
clogged up so it wasn't good for the small fine particles!
So what is this really approved (and Proven) to work for? I have a brick
house, so cutting an exterior vent isn't a pleasant thought for a central
unit.
here is the amazon link
http://www.amazon.com/cyclone-5-gallon-diameter-assembly-hardware/product-r=
eviews/B002MMIJBQ/ref=3Ddp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=3DUTF8&showViewpoints=3D1
and the companies link: http://dustdeputy.com/
A search on these archives seems to say previous cyclone vaccums like Dyson
don't get the small particles so A true HEPA is required and external
exhaust the best.
Others mention a water trap system where the dirty air goes underwater to
trap the fines. I doubt that works as if the are suspended in air, many if
not most will make it thru w/o contacting water.
Anythoughts on what would be a good interior system that requires few
expensive HEPA filter changes?
Thanks--DD
aaron cortelyou on thu 4 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
Does anybody know if air ionizers work on silica and clay dust? I've
been think about how this vocation I've chosen has probably shortened
my life expectancy and was thinking about building a large ionizer
system to remove them from the air. I imagine that the dust that it
collects over time might make an interesting glaze as well.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Rikki Gill wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Central Vacs, those that vent outside the building are the best. =3DA0I h=
av=3D
e
> used mine for years now, and it does a great job. =3DA0It is less expensi=
ve=3D
, and
> was rated just as good when I bought mine.
>
> It is a Galaxy, made near Boston, and you can goggle them.
> Good luck,
>
> Rikki Gill
> rikigil@sbcglobal.net
> www.rikkigillceramics.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Drake"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:40 PM
> Subject: Cylcon dust removers (was) air filtration systems, air movement,
> and HEPA filters
>
>
> Oneida ran an add in Cer. Monthly for their product "The Dust Deputy"
> claiming it's for clay dust. =3DA0It's a relatiively cheap cyclone stuck =
be=3D
for
> the shop vac. =3DA0Wood workers love it and it's badless. =3DA0BUT I find=
it =3D
hard to
> believe that it safely removes the finest si and clay particals.
>
> One review by a drywall contracter said it helped, but his filter soon
> clogged up so it wasn't good for the small fine particles!
>
> So what is this really approved (and Proven) to work for? =3DA0I have a b=
ri=3D
ck
> house, so cutting an exterior vent isn't a pleasant thought for a central
> unit.
>
> here is the amazon link
> http://www.amazon.com/cyclone-5-gallon-diameter-assembly-hardware/product=
=3D
-reviews/B002MMIJBQ/ref=3D3Ddp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=3D3DUTF8&showViewpoints=
=3D3D1
>
> and the companies link: http://dustdeputy.com/
>
> A search on these archives seems to say previous cyclone vaccums like Dys=
=3D
on
> don't get the small particles so A true HEPA is required and external
> exhaust the best.
>
> Others mention a water trap system where the dirty air goes underwater to
> trap the fines. =3DA0I doubt that works as if the are suspended in air, m=
an=3D
y if
> not most will make it thru w/o contacting water.
>
> Anythoughts on what would be a good interior system that requires few
> expensive HEPA filter changes?
>
> Thanks--DD
>
Dave Drake on fri 5 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
I hear you but these guys are advertising in Ceramics Monthy specifically=
=3D
about clay dust. Either they should make clear claim it removes fine
particals OR be DAMN SURE they say it doesn't adequately remove silicosis=
=3D
causing particles. I can them saying "Vastly reduces the amount of build=
=3D
up
on your HEPA filter and HEPA filter required for safe opertation indoors,=
=3D
etc.
Anyone else know anything about if this is a safe product for indoor
shop-vac use llike they are advertising?
Thanks--DD
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:07:17 -0800, Rikki Gill wro=
=3D
te:
>Hi Dave,
>
>Central Vacs, those that vent outside the building are the best. I have=
=3D
>used mine for years now, and it does a great job. It is less expensive,=
=3D
and
>was rated just as good when I bought mine.
>
>It is a Galaxy, made near Boston, and you can goggle them.
>Good luck,
>
>Rikki Gill
>rikigil@sbcglobal.net
>www.rikkigillceramics.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Drake"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:40 PM
>Subject: Cylcon dust removers (was) air filtration systems, air movement=
=3D
,
>and HEPA filters
>
>
>Oneida ran an add in Cer. Monthly for their product "The Dust Deputy"
>claiming it's for clay dust. It's a relatiively cheap cyclone stuck bef=
=3D
or
>the shop vac. Wood workers love it and it's badless. BUT I find it har=
=3D
d to
>believe that it safely removes the finest si and clay particals.
>
>One review by a drywall contracter said it helped, but his filter soon
>clogged up so it wasn't good for the small fine particles!
>
>So what is this really approved (and Proven) to work for? I have a bric=
=3D
k
>house, so cutting an exterior vent isn't a pleasant thought for a centra=
=3D
l
>unit.
>
>here is the amazon link
>http://www.amazon.com/cyclone-5-gallon-diameter-assembly-hardware/produc=
=3D
t-reviews/B002MMIJBQ/ref=3D3Ddp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=3D3DUTF8&showViewpoi=
=3D
nts=3D3D1
>
>and the companies link: http://dustdeputy.com/
>
>A search on these archives seems to say previous cyclone vaccums like Dy=
=3D
son
>don't get the small particles so A true HEPA is required and external
>exhaust the best.
>
>Others mention a water trap system where the dirty air goes underwater t=
=3D
o
>trap the fines. I doubt that works as if the are suspended in air, many=
=3D
if
>not most will make it thru w/o contacting water.
>
>Anythoughts on what would be a good interior system that requires few
>expensive HEPA filter changes?
>
>Thanks--DD
jonathan byler on fri 5 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
some shop-vac hepa filters are washable and re-useable. I would not
use any cyclone type thing and expect it to get any of the clay dust
that is silicosis causing. those dusts are lighter than air and the
cyclone requires the particles to be heavier than air to fall out and
settle at the bottom. they sell an attachment for sanding drywall
that runs the vacuum essentially through a 5 gallon bucket in order to
pre filter the air coming in and reduce filter load, but I don't think
this is a substitute for an actual hepa filter with clay work. dry
wall, the dust doesn't matter so much as for the most part plaster
dust is just a nuisance dust and not going to cause long term
respiratory harm (unless is is plaster with portland cement, ala
hydrostone, ceramical, and others).
I would just do wet cleaning, and use a wet vac to suck up excess
water and clay. cause even if you have a hepa filter, you have to
change it/clean it at some point, which means dust everywhere.
-jon
On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Dave Drake wrote:
> I hear you but these guys are advertising in Ceramics Monthy
> specifically
> about clay dust. Either they should make clear claim it removes fine
> particals OR be DAMN SURE they say it doesn't adequately remove
> silicosis
> causing particles. I can them saying "Vastly reduces the amount of
> buildup
> on your HEPA filter and HEPA filter required for safe opertation
> indoors, etc.
>
> Anyone else know anything about if this is a safe product for indoor
> shop-vac use llike they are advertising?
>
> Thanks--DD
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:07:17 -0800, Rikki Gill
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Central Vacs, those that vent outside the building are the best. I
>> have
>> used mine for years now, and it does a great job. It is less
>> expensive, and
>> was rated just as good when I bought mine.
>>
>> It is a Galaxy, made near Boston, and you can goggle them.
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rikki Gill
>> rikigil@sbcglobal.net
>> www.rikkigillceramics.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Drake"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:40 PM
>> Subject: Cylcon dust removers (was) air filtration systems, air
>> movement,
>> and HEPA filters
>>
>>
>> Oneida ran an add in Cer. Monthly for their product "The Dust Deputy"
>> claiming it's for clay dust. It's a relatiively cheap cyclone
>> stuck befor
>> the shop vac. Wood workers love it and it's badless. BUT I find
>> it hard to
>> believe that it safely removes the finest si and clay particals.
>>
>> One review by a drywall contracter said it helped, but his filter
>> soon
>> clogged up so it wasn't good for the small fine particles!
>>
>> So what is this really approved (and Proven) to work for? I have a
>> brick
>> house, so cutting an exterior vent isn't a pleasant thought for a
>> central
>> unit.
>>
>> here is the amazon link
>> http://www.amazon.com/cyclone-5-gallon-diameter-assembly-hardware/produc=
t-reviews/B002MMIJBQ/ref=3Ddp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=3DUTF8&showViewpoints=3D=
1
>>
>> and the companies link: http://dustdeputy.com/
>>
>> A search on these archives seems to say previous cyclone vaccums
>> like Dyson
>> don't get the small particles so A true HEPA is required and external
>> exhaust the best.
>>
>> Others mention a water trap system where the dirty air goes
>> underwater to
>> trap the fines. I doubt that works as if the are suspended in air,
>> many if
>> not most will make it thru w/o contacting water.
>>
>> Anythoughts on what would be a good interior system that requires few
>> expensive HEPA filter changes?
>>
>> Thanks--DD
John Hesselberth on fri 5 feb 10
t, and HEPA filters
On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:30 PM, jonathan byler wrote:
> cause even if you have a hepa filter, you have to
> change it/clean it at some point, which means dust everywhere.
And I would add to what Jonathan said: How do you think that dust gets =3D
to a hepa filter? It flies through the air and goes right past your nose =
=3D
to get there. So unless you don't plan to breathe while you are in your =
=3D
studio, hepa filters are not a good solution.
Regards,
John
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