Lee Love on thu 11 feb 10
Tony,
Today, earlier in the morning, I was talking to Jean about a
trip out east to the museums in D.C. and also a visit to N. Carolina.
Tom Turner told me to check it out when he first moved there. I
think Craig Edwards told me that Hewitt's Sempai (elder fellow
apprentice) was getitng $25,000.00 to $30,000.00 for his large jars in
G.B, if my memory serves me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_populat=
=3D
ion
An interesting site. Minnesota has about half the population of N.
Carolina 5,266,214 vs. 9,380,884
I am looking at census data now. But they don't list any kind of
potter as an occupation. Studio potter is a relatively new idea.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
tony clennell on thu 11 feb 10
Lee: When I went to Nceca in Charlotte some 8 or 10 years ago there
were large planters by Mark Hewitt that were $12,000. Not bad for a
planter.
Also there is a long list of very top notch potters in NC that ain't
in the trinket trade. Them hills and cotton fields are full of good
potters. I do have a sweet tooth for the MN potters too but there is
some stuff in NC I drool over.
My collegue Bruce Cochrane is doing a workshop in NC along with Lorna
Meaden and Sara Jaegar. Apparently they get to go see the Dwight
Holland Collection. http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/art/DMHolland/
NC potters are lucky to have one of North America's biggest collectors
in their midst.
cheers,
Tony
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Lee Love wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:55 PM, tony clennell =
=3D
wrote:
>> Lee: You said that MN had the largest # of potters per capita of any
>> state in the union. I would think that NC has MN beat by a country
>> mile. Good heavens look at Seagrove alone and that doesn't include the
>> hills around Penland. The history of pottery in NC dates back 6 or 7
>> generations before Warren MacKenzie. I don't have the time,energy or
>> where with all to look this up but I think NC is America's Japan.
>
> That might be true if you count everyone spinning a wheel. The
> problem with the old kiln towns in Japan, is that the majority of
> folks at them are pumping out souvenirs.
>
> . I was specifically thinking about studio potters and the
> thousands of students that have gone through the UofMN ceramics
> studios who mostly have not have become potters, but have created the
> educated base of folks who appreciate fine pottery here. MacKenzie
> was suprised to see $20,000.00 pots being sold at NCC when Shimaoka
> had his Regis show there. When the show went to N.Y. (I was doing
> my apprenticeship at the time), we had to send more pots because the
> show at NCC almost sold out. It was a financial boon unlike clay
> center had ever seen from any other individual's sale.
>
> It certainly would be interesting to see some actual data.
>
>
> --
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>
> =3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
> the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
>
--=3D20
http://sourcherrypottery.com
http://smokieclennell.blogspot.com
Workshop Feb 13th
Tucker's Pottery Supply-Lies, lies and more lies
info@tuckerspottery.com
La Meridiana, Italy April 25/May 8th- workshop is full
Calgary May 14,15, 16 Mount Pleasant Arts Centre NMPAC@calgary.ca
Lee Love on thu 11 feb 10
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Lee Love wrote:
> think Craig Edwards told me that Hewitt's Sempai (elder fellow
> apprentice) was getitng $25,000.00 to $30,000.00 for his large jars in
> G.B, if my memory serves me.
Oops! Left our Svend Bayer of Devon, name out.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Elizabeth Priddy on thu 11 feb 10
NC has the largest number of working potters in any state.
It has widely developed clay programs through its university systems
and it was one of the first 13 colonies, settled by german potters exploiti=
=3D
ng the clay deposits that lay exposed on the ground.
Between, Asheville, Pocosinm, Cherokee, Seagrove, Greenville (ECU), Catawba=
=3D
Valley, and the Triad...probably in the thousands, and that is just the pr=
=3D
o's.
When we broadcast my throwing show for PBS, 100,000 viewers tuned in, and I=
=3D
personally heard back from several hundred spanning the state. Clay is de=
=3D
eply rooted here and I have learned a lot about it in the last two years or=
=3D
so as I researched the facts to back up any discussion if it should come u=
=3D
p again.
NC State Motto is "to be rather than to seem". =3D20
http://www.ncpotterycenter.com/
http://www.discoverseagrove.com/pottery-history.asp
Try here to get a gist of it.
Tony, Three workshops down this season and all full. I think I am a profes=
=3D
sional, but I am not sure that what I am currently selling would make the g=
=3D
rade! -e
- ePriddy
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
--- On Thu, 2/11/10, tony clennell wrote:
> From: tony clennell
> Subject: Pro Potters MN or NC?
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 5:55 PM
> Lee: You said that MN had the largest
> # of potters per capita of any
> state in the union. I would think that NC has MN beat by a
> country
> mile. Good heavens look at Seagrove alone and that doesn't
> include the
> hills around Penland. The history of pottery in NC dates
> back 6 or 7
> generations before Warren MacKenzie. I don't have the
> time,energy or
> where with all=3DA0 to look this up but I think NC is
> America's Japan.
> Be well!
> Tony
>=3D20
> =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Lee Love on thu 11 feb 10
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:55 PM, tony clennell wr=
=3D
ote:
> Lee: You said that MN had the largest # of potters per capita of any
> state in the union. I would think that NC has MN beat by a country
> mile. Good heavens look at Seagrove alone and that doesn't include the
> hills around Penland. The history of pottery in NC dates back 6 or 7
> generations before Warren MacKenzie. I don't have the time,energy or
> where with all =3DA0to look this up but I think NC is America's Japan.
That might be true if you count everyone spinning a wheel. The
problem with the old kiln towns in Japan, is that the majority of
folks at them are pumping out souvenirs.
. I was specifically thinking about studio potters and the
thousands of students that have gone through the UofMN ceramics
studios who mostly have not have become potters, but have created the
educated base of folks who appreciate fine pottery here. MacKenzie
was suprised to see $20,000.00 pots being sold at NCC when Shimaoka
had his Regis show there. When the show went to N.Y. (I was doing
my apprenticeship at the time), we had to send more pots because the
show at NCC almost sold out. It was a financial boon unlike clay
center had ever seen from any other individual's sale.
It certainly would be interesting to see some actual data.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
tony clennell on thu 11 feb 10
Lee: You said that MN had the largest # of potters per capita of any
state in the union. I would think that NC has MN beat by a country
mile. Good heavens look at Seagrove alone and that doesn't include the
hills around Penland. The history of pottery in NC dates back 6 or 7
generations before Warren MacKenzie. I don't have the time,energy or
where with all to look this up but I think NC is America's Japan.
Be well!
Tony
--
http://sourcherrypottery.com
http://smokieclennell.blogspot.com
Workshop Feb 13th
Tucker's Pottery Supply-Lies, lies and more lies
info@tuckerspottery.com
La Meridiana, Italy April 25/May 8th- workshop is full
Calgary May 14,15, 16 Mount Pleasant Arts Centre NMPAC@calgary.ca
Marian Parkes on fri 12 feb 10
... not to mention the Professional Crafts program at Haywood Community
College in Waynesville and the new craft campus at UNC-Asheville when it
opens. The River Arts District in Asheville alone has about 50 potters
listed on their membership roster. The NC Pottery Center's website has a=
=3D
listing of potters in the state but in reading over it I see that it's
incomplete. But it's a start.
http://www.ncpotterycenter.com/directory%20potter%20inex.htm
steve graber on fri 12 feb 10
a few years back i asked=3DC2=3DA0ceramics monthly advertising how big this=
pot=3D
tery market is.=3DC2=3DA0 they wanted to know for the reasons i did.=3DC2=
=3DA0 ther=3D
e was no direct census data.=3DC2=3DA0 what they had compiled as the closes=
t da=3D
ta was=3DC2=3DA0census data of some 60,000 glass blowing teachers.=3DC2=3DA=
0 (the c=3D
ensus people keep THAT data but not pottery?).=3DC2=3DA0 so we figured IF a=
gla=3D
ss blower was around, there=3DC2=3DA0might be a potter teacher and IF there=
was=3D
a pottery teacher there might be 20=3DC2=3DA0students.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0=
Aso that was=3D
1,200,000 potters.=3DC2=3DA0 basically a 1 million person market.=3DC2=3DA=
0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D
so far no one seems to have data on just how many of us there are.=3DC2=3DA=
0 fr=3D
om talking with vendors we get chatter of popular areas.=3DC2=3DA0 but we a=
lso =3D
see trends that work in some regions and not in others.=3DC2=3DA0 even the =
maga=3D
zines realize not everyone gets their magazines.=3DC2=3DA0 they only reach =
mayb=3D
e 30% of the potential million person market.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Aif we sti=
ck our h=3D
eads outside out doors and look, we see or don't see potters in our areas.=
=3D
=3DC2=3DA0 i swear there are a lot of potters in claremont because when the=
y co=3D
me over my house i end up out of beer.=3DC2=3DA0 when i lived in lakewood, =
i di=3D
dn't see any and didn't have the same beer problem.=3DC2=3DA0 from direct s=
ales=3D
i see, there are a lot of potters in the north and south carolinas.=3DC2=
=3DA0 =3D
but i also don't seem to have a strong store or distributor=3DC2=3DA0presen=
ce t=3D
here so that might be what i see.=3DC2=3DA0 i see strong store activity in =
new =3D
york state, florida, texas, and calfornia.=3DC2=3DA0 none at all in Illinoi=
s.=3D
=3DC2=3DA0 are there no potters in Illinois?=3DC2=3DA0 i learned of a small=
town na=3D
med Lincoln, California because a bunch of people bought the tool.=3DC2=3DA=
0 th=3D
en i called one to ask, and discovered it was a nice size retirement center=
=3D
with an awesome pottery facility.=3DC2=3DA0 anecdotal info can get strange=
ans=3D
wers.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Awhen the wife and i traveled to yellowstone natio=
nal park=3D
and the neighboring states,=3DC2=3DA0we saw lots of pottery in the various=
sto=3D
res.=3DC2=3DA0 we=3DC2=3DA0just do not see that in the los angeles areas.=
=3DC2=3DA0 i d=3D
on't know if that means there are more potters up there than around los ang=
=3D
eles?=3DC2=3DA0 or maybe there is a better pottery market there than los an=
gele=3D
s?=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ait would be interesting to see a map with pins denot=
ing pott=3D
er populations.=3DC2=3DA0 i'm not sure if anyone has tried to compile that.=
=3DC2=3D
=3DA0 much less spell out styles for areas such as functional, high fire, e=
tc=3D
.=3DC2=3DA0 the magazines certainly want to keep that data quiet to themsel=
ves.=3D
=3DC2=3DA0 the vendors seem more free to discuss this, but we're working wi=
th d=3D
istorted info since we sell mostly=3DC2=3DA0to stores and not directly=3DC2=
=3DA0to =3D
potters.=3DC2=3DA0 and many stores now also sell with strong or weak intern=
et p=3D
resence.=3DC2=3DA0 i've talked with potters who buy from a key store severa=
l st=3D
ates away because they really like the service from that store.=3DC2=3DA0 =
=3D0A=3D
=3D0Aif you look at the NCECA guide with their=3DC2=3DA0member addresses yo=
u star=3D
t to get some idea where people are.=3DC2=3DA0 but that's "teacher" related=
so =3D
not everyone is necessarily going to be listed.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Aso who =
knows ho=3D
w many of us there are or what our population distribution is.=3DC2=3DA0 =
=3DC2=3DA0=3D
=3D0ASteve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0A=
The St=3D
eve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@g=
ra=3D
berspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagu=
naclay.c=3D
om/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Message ----=3D0A> From: Lee L=
ove ershins@GMAIL.COM>=3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Fri, Febr=
uary=3D
12, 2010 2:17:40 PM=3D0A> Subject: Re: Pro Potters MN or NC?=3D0A> =3D0A> =
On Thu=3D
, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Elizabeth Priddy <> ymailto=3D3D"mailto:priddycl=
ay=3D
@yahoo.com" =3D0A> href=3D3D"mailto:priddyclay@yahoo.com">priddyclay@yahoo.=
com>=3D
=3D0A> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> I researched the facts to back up any discus=
sion if =3D
it =3D0A> should come up again.=3D0A=3D0AElizabeth.=3DC2=3DA0 I can't find =
any facts =3D
related to =3D0A> the number of potters=3D0Aanywhere in the USA.=3DC2=3DA0 =
I looked=3D
at census data from =3D0A> 2000, and there is=3D0Ano catagory for any type=
of =3D
potter.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0APlease =3D0A> share the data if you have them.=3DC2=
=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 I=3D
am just responding to your =3D0A> offer.=3D0A=3D0AFacts are not opinions.=
=3DC2=3DA0 =3D
Facts are based upon =3D0A> data.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A--=3D0ALee, a Mashiko potte=
r in Minne=3D
apolis=3D0A> href=3D3D"http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/" target=3D3D_blank =
=3D0A> >=3D
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/=3D0A=3D0A=3DE2=3D80=3D9CObserve the wonder=
s as they =3D
occur =3D0A> around you. Don't claim them. Feel=3D0Athe artistry moving thr=
ough=3D
and be =3D0A> silent.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D --Rumi=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Lee Love on fri 12 feb 10
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Elizabeth Priddy w=
=3D
rote:
> This is the best place to start: =3DA0http://www.cclay.com/potters.htm
I've seen most of these web pages Elizabeth. the cclay site seems
to be pretty incomplete, only listing two sites in Minnesota, one I
have never heard of and the Redwing pottery doing mostly sovunier type
pottery related to the old Redwing pottery.
So it is a poor source of facts/data. I am not sure where
the organizers of the site are located. Maybe California?
I remember telling someone in Japan about my favorite
Minnesota potters. Funny thing was, most of them live in Wisconsin.
;^)
I'll keep looking for the data.
We shouldn't forget the West Coast potters. I was
looking at the census data and was surprised by how many folks live in
California, about 8.4% of the USA total population is living there.
The Northwest seems to be crawling with potters too as
well is the North East. And Canada seems to have a bunch compared to
their comparatively low population.
There is a new ceramic wiki put up put up by a Minnesotan and
Wisconsinite. Maybe it is a good place to collect this data. Check
it out here:
http://wikiclay.com/
This project is the brain child of Simon Levin and Lloyd Cledwyn.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Jeff Brown on fri 12 feb 10
if you're countin' by the square mile...Seagrove would most likley win.
Elizabeth Priddy on fri 12 feb 10
www.discoverseagrove.com/=3D0Awww.drexelantiques.com/catawbavalleypottery.h=
tm=3D
l=3D0Awww.ncpotterycenter.com/ www.ncpotterycenter.com/=3D0Awww.jugtownware=
.com=3D
/=3D0Awww.cvpottery.com/ www.cvpottery.com/=3D0Awww.seagrovepotteryheritage=
.com=3D
/=3D0Awww.cclay.com/=3D0Awww.ecu.edu=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0Awww.northernclaycen=
ter.org/=3D0Aw=3D
ww.minnesotapotters.com/=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AYou already started moving the =
goalpost=3D
by telling T that you weren't really talking about just people that spin b=
=3D
ut studio potters. So you start qualifying and wiggling around so that you=
=3D
can win some point.=3D0A=3D0AThat is why I don't like talking to you. I w=
ill =3D
stay out of it from here on in, but I will gladly give you some sites to us=
=3D
e to compile your own data.=3D0A=3D0AThis is the best place to start: http=
://w=3D
ww.cclay.com/potters.htm=3D0A=3D0AIt is an incomplete accounting, but point=
s ou=3D
t that we are talking about large orders of magnitude, not 100 v 112.=3D0A=
=3D0A=3D
Like all statistics, if you dig, you can get to a number. I do not care en=
=3D
ough to continue a discussion of it with you, because arguing with you is m=
=3D
uch akin to pushing water up a slide with your hands.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ACount t=
hem fo=3D
r yourself. Work for your position. I already know that NC is ground zero=
=3D
for american craft pottery, with other major centers in Pennsylvania and G=
=3D
eorgia. These websites should get you off to a good start. =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
Like I=3D
said, knock yourself out. You are the only one who seems to care.=3D0A=3D=
0A=3D
=3D0A- ePriddy=3D0A=3D0AElizabeth Priddy=3D0ABeaufort, NC - USA=3D0A=3D0Aht=
tp://www.eli=3D
zabethpriddy.com=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Lee Love GMAIL.=3D
COM> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A =3D0A> > I researched the facts to back up any discus=
sion i=3D
f it=3D0A> should come up again.=3D0A> =3D0A> Elizabeth.=3DA0 I can't find =
any fact=3D
s related to the=3D0A> number of potters=3D0A> anywhere in the USA.=3DA0=3D=
A0=3DA0I l=3D
ooked at census=3D0A> data from 2000, and there is=3D0A> no catagory for an=
y ty=3D
pe of potter.=3D0A> =3D0A> =3D0A> Please share the data if you have them.=
=3DA0 =3DA0 =3D
I am=3D0A> just responding to your offer.=3D0A> =3D0A> Facts are not opinio=
ns.=3DA0=3D
=3DA0=3DA0Facts are based=3D0A> upon data.=3D0A> =3D0A> =3D0A> --=3D0A> Le=
e, =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A =3D
Lee Love on fri 12 feb 10
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Jeff Brown wr=
=3D
ote:
> if you're countin' by the square mile...Seagrove would most likley win.
Yeah, Tony is probably right. I need to visit N. Carolina. When
we were moving from Mashiko (which has about 900 potters), if I
weren't going to Minnesota, I would have moved to N. Carolina or the
North West.
--=3D20
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on fri 12 feb 10
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Elizabeth Priddy wr=
=3D
ote:
>learned a lot about it in the last two years or so as I researched the fac=
=3D
ts to back up any >discussion if it should come up again.
Please share the statistics!
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on fri 12 feb 10
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Elizabeth Priddy wr=
=3D
ote:
> I researched the facts to back up any discussion if it should come up aga=
=3D
in.
Elizabeth. I can't find any facts related to the number of potters
anywhere in the USA. I looked at census data from 2000, and there is
no catagory for any type of potter.
Please share the data if you have them. I am just responding to your off=
=3D
er.
Facts are not opinions. Facts are based upon data.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Jeff Gieringer on sat 13 feb 10
Steve,
Based on debt and unemployment or GNP? ;^)
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve graber"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pro Potters MN or NC?
as a region if california was a country, it would be #5 on the economy
scale. the 5th largest in the world. albiet sliding quickly......
Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots!
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com
On Laguna Clay's website
http://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/
----- Original Message ----
> From: Lee Love
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 8:57:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Pro Potters MN or NC?
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Elizabeth Priddy <>
> ymailto=3D"mailto:priddyclay@yahoo.com"
> href=3D"mailto:priddyclay@yahoo.com">priddyclay@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> We shouldn't forget the West Coast potters. I was
looking
> at the census data and was surprised by how many folks live in
California,
> about 8.4% of the USA total population is living there.
Lee Love on sat 13 feb 10
Marian,
We don't have anything like a guild here in the Midwest.
Our clay center's focus is primarily educational so I have not seen a
list of potters through them. But I think we should have one. It
would be a way to count heads.
Thanks!
--=3D20
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on sat 13 feb 10
Thanks Steve! I did think of CM. You could count heads in the
articles there and list where the potters live. But that would only
give you a list of influential and known potters.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Snail Scott on sat 13 feb 10
On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:38 PM, steve graber wrote:
> if you look at the NCECA guide with their member addresses you start
> to get some idea where people are. but that's "teacher" related so
> not everyone is necessarily going to be listed...
Potters Council is also not necessarily a perfect
statistical sample, either, but you can go to the
website and see members listed with their
state of residence.
-Snail
steve graber on sat 13 feb 10
as a region if california was a country, it would be #5 on the economy scal=
=3D
e.=3DA0 the 5th largest in the world.=3DA0 albiet sliding quickly......=3D0=
A=3DA0St=3D
eve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0AThe Ste=
ve T=3D
ool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graber=
sp=3D
ottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunacla=
y.com/bl=3D
ogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Message ----=3D0A> From: Lee Love <=
cwiddershi=3D
ns@GMAIL.COM>=3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Fri, February =
12, =3D
2010 8:57:23 PM=3D0A> Subject: Re: Pro Potters MN or NC?=3D0A> =3D0A> On Fr=
i, Feb=3D
12, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Elizabeth Priddy <> ymailto=3D3D"mailto:priddyclay@y=
ah=3D
oo.com" =3D0A> href=3D3D"mailto:priddyclay@yahoo.com">priddyclay@yahoo.com>=
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> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 =3D0A>=
=3DA0 We shouldn't forget t=3D
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as surprised by how many folks live in=3D0ACalifornia, =3D0A> about 8.4% of=
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Lee Love on sat 13 feb 10
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Snail Scott wr=
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ote:
>
> Potters Council is also not necessarily a perfect
> statistical sample, either, but you can go to the
> website and see members listed with their
> state of residence.
We need a potter's census.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
John Britt on sun 14 feb 10
Here is the report:
http://www.craftcreativitydesign.org/pdf/EconCraftBro.pdf
John Britt
John Britt on sun 14 feb 10
I haven't been following this but I do remember that the Center for Craft=
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Creativity and Design:
http://www.craftcreativitydesign.org/home.php
Did a report on NC artists, income, etc. and had a report they put out.
Also there is :
http://www.handmadeinamericacraftregistry.org/studies/studies.php
Hope it helps,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Taylor Hendrix on sun 14 feb 10
:)
Don't come knocking on MY door, holding a clipboard. I'm BUSY!
Taylor, in Rockport TX
wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Lee Love
...
> We need a potter's census.
...
steve graber on sun 14 feb 10
=3D0A=3D0Abut what would a census provide?=3DC2=3DA0 potters are likely on =
par with=3D
"how many" people in the country or world play music, paint, do wood worki=
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ng, etc.=3DC2=3DA0 and what value is knowing the population density of pian=
o pl=3D
aying people?=3DC2=3DA0 a fun census would be in general, how many people t=
ruly=3D
explore the creative=3DC2=3DA0side of life vs just sit and watch TV on the=
ir f=3D
ree time?=3DC2=3DA0 i doubt the US census going on now even ventures into t=
ryin=3D
g to learn anything in this area of the left brain.=3DC2=3DA0 (or is it rig=
ht b=3D
rain?).=3DC2=3DA0 it's likely very consumer driven asking for income, posse=
ssio=3D
ns (like homes, cars), etc.=3DC2=3DA0 it's likely following that expression=
tha=3D
t some people think about other people, some think about things, and some p=
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eople think about ideas.=3DC2=3DA0 how many people in the country have "ide=
as" =3D
is something the government likely doesn't want to think about discovering.=
=3D
..=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3DC2=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=
=3D0AClaremont, Ca=3D
lifornia USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.gra=
bers=3D
pottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's websit=
e=3D0Aht=3D
tp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Message -=
---=3D0A> =3D
From: Lee Love =3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=
=3D0A=3D
> Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 11:44:24 AM=3D0A> Subject: Re: Pro Potters M=
N =3D
or NC?=3D0A> =3D0A> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Snail Scott <> ymailto=
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nail=3D
.com">claywork@flying-snail.com> =3D0A> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A>=3D0A> Potters Cou=
ncil is =3D
also not necessarily a =3D0A> perfect=3D0A> statistical sample, either, but=
you=3D
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state=3D
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arge=3D
t=3D3D_blank =3D0A> >http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/=3D0A=3D0A=3DE2=3D80=
=3D9CObserve the=3D
wonders as they occur =3D0A> around you. Don't claim them. Feel=3D0Athe ar=
tist=3D
ry moving through and be =3D0A> silent.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D --Rumi=3D0A=3D0A=3D0=
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Lee Love on sun 14 feb 10
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM, steve graber wrote:
>
>
> but what would a census provide?=3DA0 potters are likely on par with "how=
m=3D
any" people in
>he country or world play music, paint, do wood working, etc.
I don't think playing the nose harp would make you a musician
under the occupation question in the USA census. :^) You'd hope folks
would have more sense than that.
A simple question might be (for John's purpose, without trying
to make anybody feel inadequate), would be: "What do you report your
primary source of income to the IRS?" They have pretty specific
critera, don't they? Can our resident CPAs chime in?
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on mon 15 feb 10
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Jeff Gieringer
wrote:
> Steve,
>
> =3DA0 Based on debt and unemployment or GNP? ;^)
Jeff, here are some interesting stats:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116497/rankings-reveal-state-strengths-weaknesse=
=3D
s.aspx
The top 10 states for well-being are Hawaii, Utah, Montana, Minnesota,
Iowa, Vermont, Colorado, Alaska, North Dakota and Kansas. The bottom
five states are West Virginia (in last place), Kentucky, Arkansas,
Ohio and Nevada.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on mon 15 feb 10
Someone must have a number of potters. It looks like N. Carolina has
the most by far of any State.
For example, in Mashiko town limits, the figure everybody knows is 900
kilns. And many of those kilns have several potters.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on mon 15 feb 10
Thanks John! They have economic numbers. I am sure they have
people numbers for potters somewhere.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Seele Robert on mon 15 feb 10
Jeff
Today the smart politician adds all three together, to get one number..
bob
On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Jeff Gieringer wrote:
Steve,
Based on debt and unemployment or GNP? ;^)
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky
When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.
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