Marcia Selsor on fri 12 feb 10
you can't get into the vendors room without a registration badge. I =3D
think the cup sale is the same, not sure.
Marcia Selsor
On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Sharon Miranda wrote:
> Hi all:
> I realize I've missed the first deadline to pay the lower
> registration fee for the NCECA conference in Philly. But now I'm
> wondering: how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
> to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
> vendor's room? I'm happy to pay the fee by March 1 (I believe that's
> the next deadline)- which is not insignificant, but just want to make
> sure what I'm paying for.
> Thanks,
> Sharon
>=3D20
Marcia Selsor
http://www.marciaselsor.com
Sharon Miranda on fri 12 feb 10
Hi all:
I realize I've missed the first deadline to pay the lower
registration fee for the NCECA conference in Philly. But now I'm
wondering: how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
vendor's room? I'm happy to pay the fee by March 1 (I believe that's
the next deadline)- which is not insignificant, but just want to make
sure what I'm paying for.
Thanks,
Sharon
William & Susan Schran User on fri 12 feb 10
I believe you have to be registered to get into the vendors hall.
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
On 2/12/10 3:38 PM, "Sharon Miranda" wrote:
> Hi all:
> I realize I've missed the first deadline to pay the lower
> registration fee for the NCECA conference in Philly. But now I'm
> wondering: how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
> to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
> vendor's room? I'm happy to pay the fee by March 1 (I believe that's
> the next deadline)- which is not insignificant, but just want to make
> sure what I'm paying for.
> Thanks,
> Sharon
Paul Lewing on fri 12 feb 10
On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Sharon Miranda wrote:
how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
vendor's room?
You'll be able to see all the exhibits, although sometimes NCECA
members are admitted free to shows that would otherwise have an entry
fee. You can find a list of all the shows on the link from the NCECA
web site to the site for the bus tours.
You will also be able to go into the Clayart room any time you like
and participate in the mug exchange if you wish, without having paid
anything.
However, you will not be able to go into the NCECA cup sale or the
vendors' room without having a badge, nor can you go to any of the
lectures or panels or the dance. If you just want to go in for a few
minutes, you may be able to borrow a badge from someone who's willing
to stay outside the restricted area while you go in, or you can buy
just a one-day pass.
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
www.paullewingart.com
Hank Murrow on fri 12 feb 10
On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:27 PM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
> I believe you have to be registered to get into the vendors hall.
But it IS accessible with the cheaper 'day pass'.
Cheers, Hank
Philip Poburka on sun 14 feb 10
Hi Sharon,
The Security personnel are instructed to forbid admittance ( by force if
need
be, ) to the Commercial Exhibition Hall unless one has either an Exhibitor
Badge, a Day Pass
'Badge', or, the full Show Pass 'Badge' or is an employee or Security
person, with an employee
or Security Badge.
If you can go to a Kinkos, with a borrowed person who has a 'Badge' of some
sort, and are
experienced in creative Happy-Hour Copy-making, and improvising the little
clear plastic holder thing, you might do alright.
If I was going to attend as an attendee, that's what I'd do.
Foooooooey on their rip-off jive-assed fake-gloss artspeak-BS dry corn cob
up the caboose mean
spirited greedy 'corporatebenifitspackage'
deceit and dribbley golden
shower on everyone's heads ways, while smarming about being a 'non profit',
say Eye...
A BIG old fashioned King Oyster sized Puhhhhh-Tooooey...
If I ran that 'trade show', it'd be an Honest Trade Show, a full pass would
be thirty bucks, and, a day pass, 'ten'...free admittance for Students, no
sneering punitive 'late fees', free Coffee, and I'd have a 'Juried' Hall,
too...with a designated, comfortable Smoking Area, no
thridworldsweatshopslavelabor high markup wringingboneyhands
paunchy retail middleman crap, and I'd personally Bum's Rush by the collar
and seat-of-the-pants,
every hypocritical insular smug disingenuous gladhanding sell-out SOB lizar=
d
lipped ivorytower never-did-one-honest-days-work-in-their-miserable-lives
parasite that was still
lingering like a swaying Lamprey from the managerial hierarchy....which
would be pretty well all
of them, I guess.
...sigh...
...golly...
Well...That was a fun little rant...
Now I can hear the Birds Singing, smell the Coffee, Breathe DEEP...and see
the Rainbows
and lilting Butterflies lighting on the Flowers and Fawn noses again...
Ahhhhh...
Anyway...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Miranda"
> Hi all:
> I realize I've missed the first deadline to pay the lower
> registration fee for the NCECA conference in Philly. But now I'm
> wondering: how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
> to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
> vendor's room? I'm happy to pay the fee by March 1 (I believe that's
> the next deadline)- which is not insignificant, but just want to make
> sure what I'm paying for.
> Thanks,
> Sharon
John Britt on sun 14 feb 10
Phil,
You must be kidding me? Right??!
Should people just steal your tools because they don't agree with your=3D20=
=3D
pricing!?
NCECA is a good thing. Everything costs money these days. If someone want=
=3D
s=3D20
to attend NCECA they should pay, or not go. The staff spends a year plann=
=3D
ing=3D20
and running the event. They host city spends two years planning with=3D20
hundreds of volunteers working like dogs and to have people advocating=3D20=
=3D
sneaking in is just not right.
You may have grievances with NCECA but they run Ceramics Monthly, Pottery=
=3D
=3D20
Making Illustrated, ACERS, their publishing arm did Mel's book, Paul Lewi=
=3D
ng,=3D20
Vince, etc. and I believe they fund CLAYART!
Hey yea, let's screw them.
Come on Phil.
The fact that Clayart, (The Clayart Room), is trying to run a shadow=3D20
conference on the coat tails of NCECA is bad enough, let alone to bad mou=
=3D
th=3D20
them too. Isn't NCECA enough? Don't they have enough programming? I=3D20
thought the last complaint was that they had TOO much to do and people go=
=3D
t=3D20
frustrated.
The whole compilation of NCECA is part of the package. Without them you=3D2=
0=3D
wouldn't have the shows, the speakers, Terry Gross, the vendor's room, et=
=3D
c.=3D20
All the networking and socializing is because NCECA organizes the confere=
=3D
nce.
So, my opinion, for what it is worth, is to pay the money and keep the sh=
=3D
ow=3D20
going. It is ironic because Clayart spends the whole year planning to go =
=3D
to=3D20
NCECA (check the archives) to suck off of their party. They book entire h=
=3D
otel=3D20
floors and then don't show up which has caused the hotels to restrict=3D20
cancellations. And now we are going to stand by while you encourage forge=
=3D
ry=3D20
of passes!
Come on!
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
=3D20
Steve Mills on sun 14 feb 10
THAT'S a Classic!!! :-)
S
On 14 February 2010 09:10, Philip Poburka wrote:
> Hi Sharon,
>
>
>
> The Security personnel are instructed to forbid admittance ( by force if
> need
> be, ) to the Commercial Exhibition Hall unless one has either an Exhibito=
r
> Badge, a Day Pass
> 'Badge', or, the full Show Pass 'Badge' or is an employee or Security
> person, with an employee
> or Security Badge.
>
>
> If you can go to a Kinkos, with a borrowed person who has a 'Badge' of so=
me
> sort, and are
> experienced in creative Happy-Hour Copy-making, and improvising the littl=
e
> clear plastic holder thing, you might do alright.
>
>
> If I was going to attend as an attendee, that's what I'd do.
>
>
> Foooooooey on their rip-off jive-assed fake-gloss artspeak-BS dry corn co=
b
> up the caboose mean
> spirited greedy 'corporatebenifitspackage'
> deceit and dribbley golden
> shower on everyone's heads ways, while smarming about being a 'non profit=
',
> say Eye...
>
>
> A BIG old fashioned King Oyster sized Puhhhhh-Tooooey...
>
>
> If I ran that 'trade show', it'd be an Honest Trade Show, a full pass wou=
ld
> be thirty bucks, and, a day pass, 'ten'...free admittance for Students, n=
o
> sneering punitive 'late fees', free Coffee, and I'd have a 'Juried' Hall,
> too...with a designated, comfortable Smoking Area, no
> thridworldsweatshopslavelabor high markup wringingboneyhands
> paunchy retail middleman crap, and I'd personally Bum's Rush by the colla=
r
> and seat-of-the-pants,
> every hypocritical insular smug disingenuous gladhanding sell-out SOB
> lizard
> lipped ivorytower never-did-one-honest-days-work-in-their-miserable-lives
> parasite that was still
> lingering like a swaying Lamprey from the managerial hierarchy....which
> would be pretty well all
> of them, I guess.
>
>
> ...sigh...
>
>
> ...golly...
>
>
>
> Well...That was a fun little rant...
>
>
> Now I can hear the Birds Singing, smell the Coffee, Breathe DEEP...and se=
e
> the Rainbows
> and lilting Butterflies lighting on the Flowers and Fawn noses again...
>
>
> Ahhhhh...
>
>
> Anyway...
>
>
> Love,
>
>
> Phil
> Lv
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon Miranda"
>
>
> Hi all:
>> I realize I've missed the first deadline to pay the lower
>> registration fee for the NCECA conference in Philly. But now I'm
>> wondering: how necessary is it to pay this fee, if all one is going
>> to do is visit the many exhibits around town, the cup sale, and the
>> vendor's room? I'm happy to pay the fee by March 1 (I believe that's
>> the next deadline)- which is not insignificant, but just want to make
>> sure what I'm paying for.
>> Thanks,
>> Sharon
>>
>
--
Steve
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Snail Scott on sun 14 feb 10
On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Philip Poburka wrote:
> If you can go to a Kinkos, with a borrowed person who has a 'Badge'
> of some
> sort, and are
> experienced in creative Happy-Hour Copy-making, and improvising the
> little
> clear plastic holder thing, you might do alright...
Hence the non-photocopyable holographic
sticker on every badge...
-Snail
Marcia Selsor on mon 15 feb 10
On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Marcia Selsor wrote:
> well said John.
> I have been on the board of NCECA 1990 (prior to the existence of =3D
Clayart) and on the Potters Council board. 20087-2010.
> People work very hard to put on the event. And it is huge. NCECA now =3D
has additional events during the year.=3D20
> But I think Acers does not sponsor NCECA nor does NCECA sponsor the =3D
publishing of Acers mags nor Clayart. Acers sponsors the webserver for =3D
Clayart. I do believe originally Acers was a leader in the founding of =3D
NCECA in Toronto at the first conference in the late 60s. but won't =3D
swear by that.
> Encouraging forgery to avoid registration is wrong. The hotel =3D
cancellations is a problem. The system of subcontracting tours with bus =3D
companies is expensive but done as a service.
> It is a gathering of 4000 + convention goers with the East and West =3D
coast cities pulling in the biggest crowds.=3D20
> Buy a day pass if the lectures and panels and live demo are not of =3D
interest. But those people get paid a vert modest stipend...not covering =
=3D
travel expenses in most cases. Live demos have the video cameras for the =
=3D
audiences, lectures have the AV and support staff. Crews work with =3D
presenters prior to lectures to assure no glitches at show time. =3D
Presenters must check in with AV crews. All volunteers. If it is =3D
expensive and you don't want tp pay for it, then stay home.
> NCECA is dedicated to the Education of Ceramic Art. That is its =3D
purpose.=3D20
> There is usualy too much going on at once. If you wanted to just visit =
=3D
the shows, you couldn't do it during the time of the entire conference =3D
because there are too many. Baltimore had 200 exhibits.
> Marcia
> Marcia Selsor
> http://www.marciaselsor.com
>=3D20
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 7:52 PM, John Britt wrote:
>=3D20
>> Phil,
>>=3D20
>> You must be kidding me? Right??!
>>=3D20
>> Should people just steal your tools because they don't agree with =3D
your=3D20
>> pricing!?
>>=3D20
>> NCECA is a good thing. Everything costs money these days. If someone =3D
wants=3D20
>> to attend NCECA they should pay, or not go. The staff spends a year =3D
planning=3D20
>> and running the event. They host city spends two years planning with=3D2=
0=3D
>> hundreds of volunteers working like dogs and to have people =3D
advocating=3D20
>> sneaking in is just not right.
>>=3D20
>> You may have grievances with NCECA but they run Ceramics Monthly, =3D
Pottery=3D20
>> Making Illustrated, ACERS, their publishing arm did Mel's book, Paul =3D
Lewing,=3D20
>> Vince, etc. and I believe they fund CLAYART!
>>=3D20
>> Hey yea, let's screw them.
>>=3D20
>> Come on Phil.
>>=3D20
>> The fact that Clayart, (The Clayart Room), is trying to run a shadow=3D2=
0=3D
>> conference on the coat tails of NCECA is bad enough, let alone to bad =
=3D
mouth=3D20
>> them too. Isn't NCECA enough? Don't they have enough programming? I=3D=
20=3D
>> thought the last complaint was that they had TOO much to do and =3D
people got=3D20
>> frustrated.
>>=3D20
>> The whole compilation of NCECA is part of the package. Without them =3D
you=3D20
>> wouldn't have the shows, the speakers, Terry Gross, the vendor's =3D
room, etc.=3D20
>> All the networking and socializing is because NCECA organizes the =3D
conference.
>>=3D20
>> So, my opinion, for what it is worth, is to pay the money and keep =3D
the show=3D20
>> going. It is ironic because Clayart spends the whole year planning to =
=3D
go to=3D20
>> NCECA (check the archives) to suck off of their party. They book =3D
entire hotel=3D20
>> floors and then don't show up which has caused the hotels to restrict=3D=
20=3D
>> cancellations. And now we are going to stand by while you encourage =3D
forgery=3D20
>> of passes!
>>=3D20
>> Come on!
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> John Britt
>> www.johnbrittpottery.com
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
Marcia Selsor
http://www.marciaselsor.com
Marcia Selsor on mon 15 feb 10
well said John.
I have been on the board of NCECA 1990 (prior to the existence of =3D
Clayart) and on the Potters Council board. 20087-2010.
People work very hard to put on the event. And it is huge. NCECA now has =
=3D
additional events during the year.=3D20
But I think Acers does not sponsor NCECA nor does NCECA sponsor the =3D
publishing of Acers mags nor Clayart. Acers sponsors the webserver for =3D
Clayart. I do believe originally Acers was a leader in the founding of =3D
NCECA in Toronto at the first conference in the late 60s. but won't =3D
swear by that.
Encouraging forgery to avoid registration is wrong. The hotel =3D
cancellations is a problem. The system of subcontracting tours with bus =3D
companies is expensive but done as a service.
It is a gathering of 4000 + convention goers with the East and West =3D
coast cities pulling in the biggest crowds.=3D20
Buy a day pass if the lectures and panels and live demo are not of =3D
interest. But those people get paid a vert modest stipend...not covering =
=3D
travel expenses in most cases. Live demos have the video cameras for the =
=3D
audiences, lectures have the AV and support staff. Crews work with =3D
presenters prior to lectures to assure no glitches at show time. =3D
Presenters must check in with AV crews. All volunteers. If it is =3D
expensive and you don't want tp pay for it, then stay home.
NCECA is dedicated to the Education of Ceramic Art. That is its purpose.=3D=
20=3D
There is usualy too much going on at once. If you wanted to just visit =3D
the shows, you couldn't do it during the time of the entire conference =3D
because there are too many. Baltimore had 200 exhibits.
Marcia
Marcia Selsor
http://www.marciaselsor.com
On Feb 14, 2010, at 7:52 PM, John Britt wrote:
> Phil,
>=3D20
> You must be kidding me? Right??!
>=3D20
> Should people just steal your tools because they don't agree with your=3D=
20=3D
> pricing!?
>=3D20
> NCECA is a good thing. Everything costs money these days. If someone =3D
wants=3D20
> to attend NCECA they should pay, or not go. The staff spends a year =3D
planning=3D20
> and running the event. They host city spends two years planning with=3D20=
=3D
> hundreds of volunteers working like dogs and to have people advocating=3D=
20=3D
> sneaking in is just not right.
>=3D20
> You may have grievances with NCECA but they run Ceramics Monthly, =3D
Pottery=3D20
> Making Illustrated, ACERS, their publishing arm did Mel's book, Paul =3D
Lewing,=3D20
> Vince, etc. and I believe they fund CLAYART!
>=3D20
> Hey yea, let's screw them.
>=3D20
> Come on Phil.
>=3D20
> The fact that Clayart, (The Clayart Room), is trying to run a shadow=3D20=
=3D
> conference on the coat tails of NCECA is bad enough, let alone to bad =3D
mouth=3D20
> them too. Isn't NCECA enough? Don't they have enough programming? I=3D2=
0=3D
> thought the last complaint was that they had TOO much to do and people =
=3D
got=3D20
> frustrated.
>=3D20
> The whole compilation of NCECA is part of the package. Without them =3D
you=3D20
> wouldn't have the shows, the speakers, Terry Gross, the vendor's room, =
=3D
etc.=3D20
> All the networking and socializing is because NCECA organizes the =3D
conference.
>=3D20
> So, my opinion, for what it is worth, is to pay the money and keep the =
=3D
show=3D20
> going. It is ironic because Clayart spends the whole year planning to =3D
go to=3D20
> NCECA (check the archives) to suck off of their party. They book =3D
entire hotel=3D20
> floors and then don't show up which has caused the hotels to restrict=3D2=
0=3D
> cancellations. And now we are going to stand by while you encourage =3D
forgery=3D20
> of passes!
>=3D20
> Come on!
>=3D20
>=3D20
> John Britt
> www.johnbrittpottery.com
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
John Britt on mon 15 feb 10
Marcia,
Thanks for the correction. I thought Acers, (Ceramics Monthly, Pottery Ma=
=3D
king=3D20
Illustrated, Potter's Council, etc.) funded NCECA but I was mistaken. Sor=
=3D
ry.=3D20=3D20
Nevertheless, don't forge passes. Support NCECA.
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
MEUNIER LEE on mon 15 feb 10
I am truly appalled to read the suggestions from so-called "clayarters" as=
=3D
=3D0Ato how to cheat, steal and lie in order to get in free to events which=
r=3D
equire=3D0Aa pass which one must pay to receive!=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0AI've read a=
nd witne=3D
ssed the Dumbing Down of our country, but this concept=3D0Aof losing any co=
nc=3D
ern for a general lack of honesty from some of you whom I've=3D0Aadmired br=
in=3D
gs a strong desire to throw up.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0AThat is exactly what happene=
d to=3D
=3D0Aone of our cherished programs on Clayart, the one entitled Clay It For=
wa=3D
rd.=3D0AThat was such a delight to be part of and to see the Goodness of cl=
ay=3D
buds=3D0Arise to the surface.=3DA0 I was honored to help organize and to ma=
inta=3D
in the simple=3D0Arules that we followed.=3DA0 What happened?=3DA0=3DA0Init=
ially a =3D
few of us, later many of=3D0Aus, tried to get something for nothing by lyin=
g,=3D
cheating and attempting to=3D0Asteal what was designated for a claybud who=
N=3D
EEDED the "something" being=3D0Aoffered.=3DA0=3DA0 As one of us, who writes=
to Cl=3D
ayart well and often, told me, =3D0A"What the hell, Joyce?=3DA0 Why not?=3D=
A0 You=3D
guys are such suckers you're just=3D0Abegging to be ripped off."=3DA0=3DA0=
(As a=3D
n aside, I=3DA0will be forever grateful for=3DA0the opportunity to witness =
such=3D
generosity from Claybuds=3DA0which=3DA0continues to amaze and=3DA0humble m=
e=3D0Are=3D
gularly.)=3D0A=3D0AI have noted through the years on Clayart, however,=3DA0=
that m=3D
any of the =3D0Abuds who were most blind to any wrongdoing on their part ar=
e =3D
STILL not=3D0Adoing all that well..... and continue to constantly complain =
ab=3D
out the=3D0Adishonesty of most any authority figures.=3DA0 I agree with the=
m ab=3D
out the latter;=3D0Athe difference is that their own names=3DA0=3DA0are for=
ever i=3D
ncluded on my list of those who=3D0Aare contributing to the serious lowerin=
g =3D
of morals and lack of character too=3D0Aprevalent among us. How do they liv=
e =3D
with themselves?=3DA0 Not well,=3D0AI'm thinking.=3D0A=3D0AJoyce=3D0AFoundi=
ng Board M=3D
ember of Potters Council=3D0A=3DA0=3D0AIn the Mojave desert of California w=
here i=3D
t's 75F this week most days.... yet we=3D0Atoo did have some snow on the de=
se=3D
rt floor and many days of rain!=3DA0 Amazing!=3D0A
Vince Pitelka on mon 15 feb 10
John Britt wrote"
"You may have grievances with NCECA but they run Ceramics Monthly, Pottery
Making Illustrated, ACERS, their publishing arm did Mel's book, Paul Lewing=
,
Vince, etc. and I believe they fund CLAYART!"
Whoa, John. NCECA is entirely separate from ACerS - no connection between
them at all other than ACerS's participation in NCECA. ACerS publishing
branch published the books you mention, and they pay for and maintain the
Clayart server.
Regarding Phil's suggestion, there are loveable curmudgeons, and some peopl=
e
might call Phil one of those, but he is really more of a loveable anarchist=
,
so you need to take his suggestion with a grain of salt. I would NOT
encourage anyone to attempt to do what he suggested (use high-grade copying
technology to create a fake NCECA badge), and as Chris Campbell pointed out=
,
it's not really even be possible. More importantly, NCECA needs our
support, and it would be a rotten deal all around to sneak into any of the
proceedings. As is, anyone on a tight budget can go to Philly, see all the
shows, hang out in the Clayart room, go to meals with Clayart friends, etc.
The registration fee for NCECA is a bargain for all that you get. There ar=
e
always some good presentations and panels, the demos are fascinating, and
the exhibition hall is amazing. This year the exhibition hall will once
again include a gallery area with exhibitions by some of the leading
ceramics galleries. The only downside of paying the registration fee for
NCECA is that you will be hooked and will want to do it again every year.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
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