Tony Ferguson on sun 28 feb 10
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--- On Sun, 2/28/10, steve hoffman wrote:
From: steve hoffman
Subject: Kiln wanted
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 7:35 PM
I'm looking for a hard brick gas kiln for c10 salt - soda
I am in Ct. and I can move it.
Steve
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Carl Finch on mon 1 mar 10
At 08:24 PM 2/28/2010, Tony Ferguson wrote:
>Wondering what recommendations folks have for monitor
>calibration. Just got a new 23" Samsung.
It strikes me as a little odd that this question is labeled as Off
Topic. The reason being that a great many Clayart threads are
written to ask about, and to recommend, the great variety of cameras
and lighting schemes, but nothing is ever said about printing, and
very little about monitors.
I am aware that many (most?) jurying is now done via digital image
files, but surely many of you print the pictures that you've so
painstakingly lighted and created with those expensive DSLRs. And
even if you don't print, if your monitor has, say, a green color
cast, and you adjust your photo's color to correct for that, your
image will appear "off" on others' screens! Surely you've seen web
pages where photos were washed out, or too dark, or off in color--the
fault is either the web builder's monitor or yours!
Anyway, if printing is of importance to you, you really ought to look
into Tony's topic: Color Calibration. One can waste a great amount
of time and money (ink, paper) attempting to get a printed photo that
looks like what's displayed on ones monitor.
There are manual (eye-ball) techniques for calibrating ones
monitor. These can be found (for free) on the Internet. But far
easier and more accurate are the hardware devices Tony mentions. You
might start with this article:
http://www.livingwithbugs.com/monitor.html
I recently bought a "Spyder3 Express." It is composed of the
colorimeter (the hardware device that rests on the face of the
monitor during the calibration process) and a utility program that
generates colors on your screen and then "reads" what your monitor
has generated. It then stores this information on your system and
sends the 'corrective' info to the graphic adapter (the card that
controls your monitor). The price was $80. The calibration process
could not have been easier--start the utility, sit back and watch the
pretty colors, and ten minutes later it's done. It requires no
intervention, no judgement decisions on your part, and the
calibration correction is applied automatically.
Here's a review of the Spyder3 Express including screen shots of the proces=
s:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/profiling/spyder3express_1.html
This review also includes lots of basic color management
explanation. For example, click on "Why don't my prints match my
screen?" near the bottom of the page!
There are more expensive models of Spyder3 (the Elite and the Pro)
and there are other manufacturers, for example Huey and Pantone.
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
Lis Allison on mon 1 mar 10
On Monday 01 March 2010, Carl wrote:
>
> There are more expensive models of Spyder3 (the Elite and the Pro)
> and there are other manufacturers, for example Huey and Pantone.
I bought a Huey Pro and I can't say I'm totally happy with it. One step in
the calibration process asks if I can see two shades of gray on one part
of a circle and two shades of white (very pale gray, I know) on another
part. I have never yet been able to see both simultaneously. Then I get a
chance to chose a different colour temperature and gamma than what the
Huey calculated, and I always like one of the other options better.
I've fiddled and fiddled with the screen settings but still don't have
that happy feeling that all is well. Am I just being a klutz? The
documentation, btw, is minimal. The Help file tells you to follow the
instructions.... and the instructions are what I don't understand.
I'm planning to buy my photo printer soon - an Epson 1900 probably, and I
expect that then my brain will really seize up. Why the heck can't they
make screens that are true colour and that speak the same language as the
cameras and the printers? Arrgggghhhh, is that too much to ask????? They
can correct my spelling for me, but can they make blue look blue.....
noooooo.
OK, just venting.
Lis
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Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
www.Pine-Ridge-Studio.blogspot.com
Carl Finch on mon 1 mar 10
At 03:00 PM 3/1/2010, Lis Allison wrote:
>On Monday 01 March 2010, Carl wrote:
> >
> > There are more expensive models of Spyder3 (the Elite and the Pro)
> > and there are other manufacturers, for example Huey and Pantone.
>
>I bought a Huey Pro and I can't say I'm totally happy with it. One step in
>the calibration process asks if I can see two shades of gray on one part
>of a circle and two shades of white (very pale gray, I know) on another
>part. I have never yet been able to see both simultaneously.
As I recall from a web site (don't recall *which* web site, of
course) that told how to manually adjust a monitor, that inability to
adjust a monitor so that all shades of gray (20 or so adjacent
squares, from black to white) was the fault of the monitor. Perhaps
that's part of what you get when you drop a $1000 or two on a monitor!
> Then I get a
>chance to chose a different colour temperature and gamma than what the
>Huey calculated, and I always like one of the other options better.
Hmm. When I turn off Spyder's color calibration now, I notice a
slight green tint (monitor defaults) that I did NOT notice before I
calibrated it!
>I've fiddled and fiddled with the screen settings but still don't have
>that happy feeling that all is well. Am I just being a klutz? The
>documentation, btw, is minimal. The Help file tells you to follow the
>instructions.... and the instructions are what I don't understand.
>
>I'm planning to buy my photo printer soon - an Epson 1900 probably, and I
>expect that then my brain will really seize up. Why the heck can't they
>make screens that are true colour and that speak the same language as the
>cameras and the printers? Arrgggghhhh, is that too much to ask????? They
>can correct my spelling for me, but can they make blue look blue.....
>noooooo.
All of which is why, when I bought my Epson 1400 printer a year and a
half ago, that I joined the "EPSON_Printers" Yahoo group. Although
many of the active members are professionals (if I dare use that word
around here), they answer all questions and never seem to need to
enter into (ahem) "lively discussion." These color management
questions come up over and over!
>OK, just venting.
Well, of course, one insurmountable problem is that NO printer can
apply ink (either dye or pigment) to a sheet of photo paper such that
the result looks like what a monitor can display. That's the reason
that monitor calibration should be done in a dimly lit room, and
monitor brightness reduced. My Dell monitor brightness control
defaults to 50, on a scale of 100. That is excruciatingly
bright. For undemanding work I set it to 40 (still very
bright). For photo editing (and calibration) I set it to 5!
But your frustration is understandable. There are a great many
variables involved in taking an image from camera, to monitor, to
print. And printer drivers and image editing apps (Photoshop, et al)
use wildly different nomenclature and dreadful user interfaces to
"help" you do it.
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
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