Monica Wright on sat 13 mar 10
The PTO at the school I teach at approached me the other day.=3DA0 The aske=
d =3D
me to request any art related materials that I would not normally be able t=
=3D
o afford with my regular budget.=3DA0 Being afraid to ask for either too li=
tt=3D
le (a waste of time) or too much (might make them mad) I went to my princip=
=3D
al.=3DA0 He told me that they have a huge amount of money and really do not=
k=3D
now how to spend it.=3DA0 Two items that I planned on asking for before I e=
ve=3D
n spoke to my principal were a ware cart and a "small" slab roller.=3D0A=3D=
0AMy=3D
principal came right out and said to also ask for a new kiln.=3DA0 I curre=
nt=3D
ly have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior.=3DA0 I want to mov=
e =3D
on up to a 27x27.=3DA0 Was thinking about an L&L.=3DA0 They are pretty much=
all=3D
the same -a glorified toaster,=3DA0but was wondering what most people woul=
d =3D
recommend as far as brands.=3DA0 Skutt and L&L are really the only brands t=
ha=3D
t I have any experience with besides AIM.=3DA0 As this will probably be the=
o=3D
nly time i am ever asked what I want=3DA0I really want to request the best =
po=3D
ssible equipment.=3D0A=3D0AAny ideas would be appreciated.=3DA0 Thanks.=3D0=
A
Mayssan Farra on sat 13 mar 10
Hello Monica:
I love my L&L easy fire I ordered it with 3" brick and heavier element. I h=
ave had it for 5 years firing at least 2 bisque & 2 glaze a month without h=
aving to do anything to it yet the time it take to ^6 is still the same.
I am one satisfied customer.
Mayssan, in rainy Manassas VA where it is a pleasure visiting my daughter.:=
)
On Mar 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Monica Wright wrote:
My principal came right out and said to also ask for a new kiln. I current=
ly have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior. I want to move on=
up to a 27x27. Was thinking about an L&L. They are pretty much all the s=
ame -a glorified toaster, but was wondering what most people would recommen=
d as far as brands. Skutt and L&L are really the only brands that I have a=
ny experience with besides AIM. As this will probably be the only time i a=
m ever asked what I want I really want to request the best possible equipme=
nt.
Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
Monica Wright on sat 13 mar 10
That is the kiln i am lean toward but I have always wonderd... what on eart=
=3D
h is the difference between L&L's Easy Fire Kilns and their Jupiter kilns?=
=3D
=3DA0 Other than about $800,=3DA010 sides vs. 12 sides, and a different loo=
king=3D
control panel I see absolutely no difference.=3DA0 Both have 3in. brick.=
=3DA0 =3D
Both have the little inserts to protect the elements, both have a control p=
=3D
anel with buttons.=3DA0 What is the deal?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A____=
______________=3D
______________=3D0AFrom: Mayssan Farra =3D0ATo: Monica =
Wrig=3D
ht =3D0ACc: "Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG" V.=3D
CERAMICS.ORG>=3D0ASent: Sat, March 13, 2010 1:07:35 PM=3D0ASubject: Re: [Cl=
ayar=3D
t] what kiln to buy?=3D0A=3D0AHello Monica:=3D0A=3D0AI love my L&L easy fir=
e I orde=3D
red it with 3" brick and heavier element. I have had it for 5 years firing =
=3D
at least 2 bisque & 2 glaze a month without having to do anything to it yet=
=3D
the time it take to ^6 is still the same.=3D0A=3D0AI am one satisfied cust=
omer=3D
.=3D0A=3D0AMayssan, in rainy Manassas VA where it is a pleasure visiting my=
dau=3D
ghter.:)=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Mar 13, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Monica Wright wro=
te:=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AMy principal came right out and said to also ask for a new k=
iln.=3D
=3DA0 I currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior.=3DA=
0 I =3D
want to move on up to a 27x27.=3DA0 Was thinking about an L&L.=3DA0 They ar=
e pr=3D
etty much all the same -a glorified toaster, but was wondering what most pe=
=3D
ople would recommend as far as brands.=3DA0 Skutt and L&L are really the on=
ly=3D
brands that I have any experience with besides AIM.=3DA0 As this will prob=
ab=3D
ly be the only time i am ever asked what I want I really want to request th=
=3D
e best possible equipment.=3D0A=3D0AAny ideas would be appreciated.=3DA0 Th=
anks.
steve graber on sat 13 mar 10
=3D0A=3D0Awell i have a Cress brad kiln that's been doing fine since 1990.=
=3DA0 a=3D
nd the past 10 years it's been in a protected zone outside.=3DA0 i guess yo=
u =3D
can look into them too.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ayou are smart in asking for capital =
equipm=3D
ent (things that do not wear out) rather than consumables like clay-glaze.=
=3D
=3DA0=3DA0=3D0A=3D0Alocal supply &=3DA0local service capabilities are likel=
y to=3DA0be =3D
very important to you=3D0A=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClar=
emont,=3D
California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.=
grab=3D
erspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's web=
site=3D
=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Me=
ssage ----=3D
=3D0A> From: Monica Wright =3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.=
CERA=3D
MICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:05:06 AM=3D0A> Subject: what kil=
n to=3D
buy?=3D0A> =3D0A> The PTO at the school I teach at approached me the other=
day=3D
.=3DA0 The asked me to =3D0A> request any art related materials that I woul=
d no=3D
t normally be able to afford =3D0A> with my regular budget.=3DA0 Being afra=
id t=3D
o ask for either too little (a waste of =3D0A> time) or too much (might mak=
e =3D
them mad) I went to my principal.=3DA0 He told me that =3D0A> they have a h=
uge =3D
amount of money and really do not know how to spend it.=3DA0 Two =3D0A> ite=
ms t=3D
hat I planned on asking for before I even spoke to my principal were a =3D0=
A>=3D
ware cart and a "small" slab roller.=3D0A=3D0AMy principal came right out =
and =3D
said =3D0A> to also ask for a new kiln.=3DA0 I currently have an old AIM ki=
ln, =3D
23in wide x 27in =3D0A> deep interior.=3DA0 I want to move on up to a 27x27=
.=3DA0=3D
Was thinking about an =3D0A> L&L.=3DA0 They are pretty much all the same -=
a gl=3D
orified toaster,=3DA0but was =3D0A> wondering what most people would recomm=
end =3D
as far as brands.=3DA0 Skutt and L&L =3D0A> are really the only brands that=
I h=3D
ave any experience with besides AIM.=3DA0 As this =3D0A> will probably be t=
he o=3D
nly time i am ever asked what I want=3DA0I really want to =3D0A> request th=
e be=3D
st possible equipment.=3D0A=3D0AAny ideas would be appreciated.=3DA0 =3D0A>=
Thanks.=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Monica Wright on sat 13 mar 10
Yeah, I have always wanted to invest in these things but my budget would no=
=3D
t allow it.=3DA0 The Ware Cart alone is well over 1/3 of my annual budget.=
=3DA0=3D
I hope to get everything from the same supplier and get a deal of some kin=
=3D
d.=3DA0 I figure around $3500-$4000 for kiln, shelves, and vent and another=
$=3D
1000 for Ware Cart and small slab roller (Bailey mini).=3DA0 Dick Blick Art=
S=3D
upplies will give me 20% off everything but will kill me with shipping.=3DA=
0 =3D
bigceramicstore.com has free shipping but is slightly more expensive on the=
=3D
merchandise.=3DA0 I need to contact a couple other places here in the midw=
es=3D
t for prices.=3DA0 I love this opportunity but hate the shopping aspect.=3D=
A0=3D
=3DA0Oh,=3DA0I have to talk to the district electrician to see what kind of=
ele=3D
ctrical is available anyway.=3DA0 The good thing is that the current kiln i=
s =3D
only 15 feet from the breaker box.=3DA0 If they need to run new wires it sh=
ou=3D
ldn't be that difficult.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A__________________________=
______=3D0AF=3D
rom: steve graber =3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0=
ASen=3D
t: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:01:16 PM=3D0ASubject: Re: what kiln to buy?=3D0A=
=3D0A=3D0A=3D
=3D0Awell i have a Cress brad kiln that's been doing fine since 1990.=3DA0 =
and =3D
the past 10 years it's been in a protected zone outside.=3DA0 i guess you c=
an=3D
look into them too.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0Ayou are smart in asking for capital equ=
ipment=3D
(things that do not wear out) rather than consumables like clay-glaze.=3DA=
0=3D
=3DA0=3D0A=3D0Alocal supply &=3DA0local service capabilities are likely to=
=3DA0be ver=3D
y important to you=3D0A=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremo=
nt, Ca=3D
lifornia USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.gra=
bers=3D
pottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's websit=
e=3D0Aht=3D
tp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original Message -=
---=3D0A> =3D
From: Monica Wright =3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMIC=
S.=3D
ORG=3D0A> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:05:06 AM=3D0A> Subject: what kiln to =
buy?=3D
=3D0A> =3D0A> The PTO at the school I teach at approached me the other day.=
=3DA0 =3D
The asked me to =3D0A> request any art related materials that I would not n=
or=3D
mally be able to afford =3D0A> with my regular budget.=3DA0 Being afraid to=
ask=3D
for either too little (a waste of =3D0A> time) or too much (might make the=
m =3D
mad) I went to my principal.=3DA0 He told me that =3D0A> they have a huge a=
moun=3D
t of money and really do not know how to spend it.=3DA0 Two =3D0A> items th=
at I=3D
planned on asking for before I even spoke to my principal were a =3D0A> wa=
re=3D
cart and a "small" slab roller.=3D0A=3D0AMy principal came right out and s=
aid =3D
=3D0A> to also ask for a new kiln.=3DA0 I currently have an old AIM kiln, 2=
3in =3D
wide x 27in =3D0A> deep interior.=3DA0 I want to move on up to a 27x27.=3DA=
0 Was =3D
thinking about an =3D0A> L&L.=3DA0 They are pretty much all the same -a glo=
rifi=3D
ed toaster,=3DA0but was =3D0A> wondering what most people would recommend a=
s fa=3D
r as brands.=3DA0 Skutt and L&L =3D0A> are really the only brands that I ha=
ve a=3D
ny experience with besides AIM.=3DA0 As this =3D0A> will probably be the on=
ly t=3D
ime i am ever asked what I want=3DA0I really want to =3D0A> request the bes=
t po=3D
ssible equipment.=3D0A=3D0AAny ideas would be appreciated.=3DA0 =3D0A> Than=
ks.
Bonnie Hellman on sat 13 mar 10
Dick Blick occasionally has specials where shipping is free if you spend
$200. I got some underglazes there and got the free shipping, which =3D
would
have been upwards of $35 at other places.
Ask them before you give up on them.
Also check with any local suppliers to see if they'll match prices on =3D
this
size order.
Bonnie
Bonnie Hellman
Ouray, CO. USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Monica =3D
Wright
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:21 PM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: what kiln to buy?
Yeah, I have always wanted to invest in these things but my budget would =
=3D
not
allow it.=3DA0 The Ware Cart alone is well over 1/3 of my annual =3D
budget.=3DA0 I hope
to get everything from the same supplier and get a deal of some kind.=3DA0 =
=3D
I
figure around $3500-$4000 for kiln, shelves, and vent and another $1000 =3D
for
Ware Cart and small slab roller (Bailey mini).=3DA0 Dick Blick Art =3D
Supplies will
give me 20% off everything but will kill me with shipping.=3DA0
bigceramicstore.com has free shipping but is slightly more expensive on =3D
the
merchandise.=3DA0 I need to contact a couple other places here in the =3D
midwest
for prices.=3DA0 I love this opportunity but hate the shopping =3D
aspect.=3DA0=3DA0Oh,=3DA0I
have to talk to the district electrician to see what kind of electrical =3D
is
available anyway.=3DA0 The good thing is that the current kiln is only 15 =
=3D
feet
from the breaker box.=3DA0 If they need to run new wires it shouldn't be =
=3D
that
difficult.
________________________________
From: steve graber
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:01:16 PM
Subject: Re: what kiln to buy?
well i have a Cress brad kiln that's been doing fine since 1990.=3DA0 and =
=3D
the
past 10 years it's been in a protected zone outside.=3DA0 i guess you can =
=3D
look
into them too.=3DA0=3D20
you are smart in asking for capital equipment (things that do not wear =3D
out)
rather than consumables like clay-glaze.=3DA0=3DA0
local supply &=3DA0local service capabilities are likely to=3DA0be very =3D
important to
you
=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
Claremont, California USA
The Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots!=3D20
www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com=3D20
On Laguna Clay's website
http://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/=3D20
----- Original Message ----
> From: Monica Wright
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:05:06 AM
> Subject: what kiln to buy?
>=3D20
> The PTO at the school I teach at approached me the other day.=3DA0 The =
=3D
asked
me to=3D20
> request any art related materials that I would not normally be able to
afford=3D20
> with my regular budget.=3DA0 Being afraid to ask for either too little =
=3D
(a
waste of=3D20
> time) or too much (might make them mad) I went to my principal.=3DA0 He =
=3D
told
me that=3D20
> they have a huge amount of money and really do not know how to spend =3D
it.=3DA0
Two=3D20
> items that I planned on asking for before I even spoke to my principal
were a=3D20
> ware cart and a "small" slab roller.
My principal came right out and said=3D20
> to also ask for a new kiln.=3DA0 I currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in =
=3D
wide x
27in=3D20
> deep interior.=3DA0 I want to move on up to a 27x27.=3DA0 Was thinking =
=3D
about an=3D20
> L&L.=3DA0 They are pretty much all the same -a glorified toaster,=3DA0but=
=3D
was=3D20
> wondering what most people would recommend as far as brands.=3DA0 Skutt =
=3D
and
L&L=3D20
> are really the only brands that I have any experience with besides =3D
AIM.=3DA0
As this=3D20
> will probably be the only time i am ever asked what I want=3DA0I really =
=3D
want
to=3D20
> request the best possible equipment.
Any ideas would be appreciated.=3DA0=3D20
> Thanks.
James Freeman on sat 13 mar 10
Monica...
When I was pricing out a major purchase for the local college (spray
booth and six wheels), I found that Bennett Pottery Supply was the
cheapest by far, saving many hundreds of dollars (purchase price plus
shipping). Same scenario when I purchased my Laguna spray booth for
my own studio; Bennett was hundreds of dollars less than anyone else.
Their ad is in every issue of Ceramics Monthly, right up near the
front of the magazine. Worth getting a quote from them once you
decide what you want.
For your ware cart, there are many inexpensive solutions. I made my
own out of some metal and particle board shelving units from a home
center store. I welded an angle iron frame for the shelving unit to
rest on, bolted some inexpensive locking and swiveling casters from
Harbor Freight to the frame, then screwed the shelving unit to the
frame. Total cost for everything was less than $50 per unit. You can
see a picture of two of them in use on my flickr page:
www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio . Click on the "studio
photos" button if you don't want to scroll down through the other
photos.
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/clayart/
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Monica Wright wr=
=3D
ote:
> Yeah, I have always wanted to invest in these things but my budget would =
=3D
not allow it.=3DA0 The Ware Cart alone is well over 1/3 of my annual budget=
.=3D
=3DA0 I hope to get everything from the same supplier and get a deal of som=
e =3D
kind.=3DA0 I figure around $3500-$4000 for kiln, shelves, and vent and anot=
he=3D
r $1000 for Ware Cart and small slab roller (Bailey mini).
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on sat 13 mar 10
Hi Monica,
I have an L&L. My last L&L lasted over 25 years and probably would
have lasted longer if I wanted to do the upkeep. (I gave it to a
friend who is still using it!) I recommend L&Ls simply because the
element liners really protect the brick, making the kiln last longer.
Lynn
> My principal came right out and said to also ask for a new kiln. I
> currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior. I
> want to move on up to a 27x27. Was thinking about an L&L. They are
> pretty much all the same -a glorified toaster, but was wondering
> what most people would recommend as far as brands. Skutt and L&L
> are really the only brands that I have any experience with besides
> AIM. As this will probably be the only time i am ever asked what I
> want I really want to request the best possible equipment.
>
>
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Marcia Selsor on sat 13 mar 10
you could build a wooden ware cart with the most expensive part , the =3D
casters,=3D20
I got a great ware care from recycling..a bakers cart, 6 ft talll with =3D
12 variable shelves.
Marci Selsor
On Mar 13, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Monica Wright wrote:
> Yeah, I have always wanted to invest in these things but my budget =3D
would not allow it. The Ware Cart alone is well over 1/3 of my annual =3D
budget. I hope to get everything from the same supplier and get a deal =3D
of some kind. I figure around $3500-$4000 for kiln, shelves, and vent =3D
and another $1000 for Ware Cart and small slab roller (Bailey mini). =3D
Dick Blick Art Supplies will give me 20% off everything but will kill me =
=3D
with shipping. bigceramicstore.com has free shipping but is slightly =3D
more expensive on the merchandise. I need to contact a couple other =3D
places here in the midwest for prices. I love this opportunity but hate =
=3D
the shopping aspect. Oh, I have to talk to the district electrician to =3D
see what kind of electrical is available anyway. The good thing is that =
=3D
the current kiln is only 15 feet from the breaker box. If they need to =3D
run new wires it shouldn't be that difficult.
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> ________________________________
> From: steve graber
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:01:16 PM
> Subject: Re: what kiln to buy?
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> well i have a Cress brad kiln that's been doing fine since 1990. and =3D
the past 10 years it's been in a protected zone outside. i guess you =3D
can look into them too. =3D20
>=3D20
> you are smart in asking for capital equipment (things that do not wear =
=3D
out) rather than consumables like clay-glaze. =3D20
>=3D20
> local supply & local service capabilities are likely to be very =3D
important to you
> Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
> Claremont, California USA
> The Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots!=3D20
> www.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> On Laguna Clay's website
> http://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
>=3D20
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Monica Wright
>> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:05:06 AM
>> Subject: what kiln to buy?
>>=3D20
>> The PTO at the school I teach at approached me the other day. The =3D
asked me to=3D20
>> request any art related materials that I would not normally be able =3D
to afford=3D20
>> with my regular budget. Being afraid to ask for either too little (a =
=3D
waste of=3D20
>> time) or too much (might make them mad) I went to my principal. He =3D
told me that=3D20
>> they have a huge amount of money and really do not know how to spend =3D
it. Two=3D20
>> items that I planned on asking for before I even spoke to my =3D
principal were a=3D20
>> ware cart and a "small" slab roller.
>=3D20
> My principal came right out and said=3D20
>> to also ask for a new kiln. I currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in =3D
wide x 27in=3D20
>> deep interior. I want to move on up to a 27x27. Was thinking about =3D
an=3D20
>> L&L. They are pretty much all the same -a glorified toaster, but was=3D=
20=3D
>> wondering what most people would recommend as far as brands. Skutt =3D
and L&L=3D20
>> are really the only brands that I have any experience with besides =3D
AIM. As this=3D20
>> will probably be the only time i am ever asked what I want I really =3D
want to=3D20
>> request the best possible equipment.
>=3D20
> Any ideas would be appreciated. =3D20
>> Thanks.
>=3D20
Marcia Selsor
http://www.marciaselsor.com
Eleanor on sun 14 mar 10
Ditto what James Freeman said----I bought my Skutt kiln from Bennett
after pricing it all over. I saved hundreds.
FWIW I'm happy with my Skutt KM 1027-3 (3 inch walls). It's listed as
a ^10 kiln but I have never fired it beyond ^6.
However, I'm a hobbyist; I fire about a dozen times a year. I've had
the kiln thirteen years; I had to replace the thermocouple once and
that was recently.
I have had very little occasion to use Skutt customer service, haven't
needed to call them recently. I was annoyed at first that they didn't
have an 800 number to call. It was costly to call long distance from
here on the East coast to Skutt on the West coast and they always put
me on hold............ However, they answered my emails promptly.
Apparently now all their tech support is done via email.
There are no problems with the kiln itself---it fires perfectly,
witness cones attest to that. My problems early on had to do mostly
with set-up and programming.
Someone remarked that a kiln is like a toaster; I think it's more like
an oven---a big box that you bake things in. It needs to be well
insulated, have an accurate thermostat and heat control mechanism and
the manufacturer has to be accessible. The user's responsibility is to
RTFM and "bake" and maintain according to directions.
So I imagine that the kilns mentioned on the List are all alike,
varying only in size, shape, capacity and heat control mechanism---or
am I missing something here? They are all boxes that bake.
I don't remember now why I chose Skutt; it may simply have been
Bennett's price :-)
Eleanor Kohler
Centerport, NY
Now that I think of it, aren't all electric wheels alike? I like my
Brent C.
".... philosophers lay down many precepts fair in argument but not
applicable in use"
--Sir Francis Bacon
Fred Parker on sun 14 mar 10
Monica:
My L&L is about three years old now. I probably fire 25-30 times a y=3D
ear,
mostly to ^05 or ^06 bisque and "6 glaze -- almost always with hold and a=
=3D
slow downfire. Inside, it looks about the same as it did out of the crat=
=3D
e
the day I received it. It's temperature control is so reliable that I ha=
=3D
ve
gotten very sloppy with using guide cones etc. In fact, I often ignore t=
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I believe it is almost impossible for even the most careful person to loa=
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kiln without making some shelf-wall contact. In a school setting I am su=
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that is compounded a thousand times over. In my opinion the hard element=
=3D
holders L&L has go a long way to protect the interior and are a disti=3D
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advantage over their competitors -- especially for school settings.
My vote would be for an L&L with controller, backup timer, heavy duty=3D
elements and 3" wall.
Fred Parker
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:05:06 -0800, Monica Wright =3D
T>
wrote:
SNIP
My principal came right out and said to also ask for a new kiln.=3DA0 I
currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior.=3DA0 I want=
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to
move on up to a 27x27.=3DA0 Was thinking about an L&L.=3DA0=3D20
Joseph Troncale on sun 14 mar 10
I love my L&L. 12 years old. Still going great.
Joe
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 14, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Fred Parker wrote:
> Monica:
>
> My L&L is about three years old now. I probably fire 25-30 times a
> year,
> mostly to ^05 or ^06 bisque and "6 glaze -- almost always with hold
> and a
> slow downfire. Inside, it looks about the same as it did out of the
> crate
> the day I received it. It's temperature control is so reliable that
> I have
> gotten very sloppy with using guide cones etc. In fact, I often
> ignore them.
>
> I believe it is almost impossible for even the most careful person
> to load a
> kiln without making some shelf-wall contact. In a school setting I
> am sure
> that is compounded a thousand times over. In my opinion the hard
> element
> holders L&L has go a long way to protect the interior and are a
> distinct
> advantage over their competitors -- especially for school settings.
>
> My vote would be for an L&L with controller, backup timer, heavy duty
> elements and 3" wall.
>
> Fred Parker
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:05:06 -0800, Monica Wright T
> >
> wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
> My principal came right out and said to also ask for a new kiln. I
> currently have an old AIM kiln, 23in wide x 27in deep interior. I
> want to
> move on up to a 27x27. Was thinking about an L&L.
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