Paul Lewing on sat 17 apr 10
On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Phoenix Rising Farm wrote:
no matter how we see things, that pdf will be able to be
copied by someone. if that happens, the book goes on
sale for a dollar on ebay.
I found something odd today on ebay. I was posting something for sale
and just out of curiosity, I searched for my own name. I came up with
one tile someone is selling and about seven copies of my book. Some
of the copies were listed as brand new and some as like new. Now you
can buy my book for $59.95 from me, from ACerS or from any number of
other outlets from ceramic supply places to book stores to Amazon.
Every one of the copies on ebay was more than that! The cheapest one
was $72 and the most expensive was listed at $171! So maybe it won't
be on ebay the next day for $1. Maybe it'll be on ebay for $100!
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
www.paullewingart.com
Phoenix Rising Farm on sat 17 apr 10
On 4/16/2010 8:27 PM, tony clennell wrote:
> I received a PDF copy of Mel's book to review.
snip
> If this book is what I am hoping for it will be required reading at
> Sheridan. Required reading means you own the book and the pages are
> folded and covered in clay and dirt from constant referral.
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
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And Mel wrote in another post:
we are in a rather serious quandary with the new book.
we had hoped to be able to sell the book as a dvd and
a pdf file of the text attached.
no matter how we see things, that pdf will be able to be
copied by someone. if that happens, the book goes on
sale for a dollar on ebay. so, at present we are only selling
the paper book, with the video/movies dvd etc. no pdf file.
so, here is the question:
is there a way, that anyone on clayart knows, to lock that
pdf. we know we can lock it one way, but that means we give
a key, and then it is ready to copy anyway.
this is a big issue for many of you out there that are selling
dvd's of your demo work. how many folks are ripping you
off making copies and giving them to friends?...hundreds.
A SNIP
(there is a fine line between internet, pdf, and printed material.)
this is a question that affects many of you that are interested in
writing, and doing video work. this issue must be addressed.
and, i am trying to lead here, get good information that will assist
our entire community. i have tried to let folks know how we do things,
and this will only help all of us. there are about a dozen clayarters who
are getting into quality dvd and writing projects. many are going to
publish privately.
mel
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So....here's the deal.
I buy the book. I then OWN the book. Instead of getting it covered in
clay and worn/torn/destroyed
by grimy clay covered fingers, I convert (scan) that book to a file I
can access from my studio computer, via my nifty
$39.95 dishwasher safe keyboard (tigerdirect).
Is making a copy for yourself stealing? _Provided you don't disseminate
that info_?
Let's say a friend comes over and sees the book lying on the coffee
table. S/he picks it up and leafs through.
That's surely not stealing, is it? Now instead, they leaf through the
scanned version on my studio computer. Is THAT stealing?
Or just reading? I think the copying, and then "giving away of the
information" is the stealing part, isn't it?
It's a damn fine line. And no, I would not dream of copying images from
any book and giving them away, unless that book is in the
public domain. That's like stealing my eggs....we have shotguns for
that sort of thing 'round here.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
--
Phoenix Rising Farm
on the Houlton Road
Waite, Maine
marci and rex on sun 18 apr 10
At 05:40 PM 4/17/2010, Phoenix Rising Farm wrote:
>Is making a copy for yourself stealing? _Provided you don't disseminate
>that info_?
>Let's say a friend comes over and sees the book lying on the coffee
>table. S/he picks it up and leafs through.
>That's surely not stealing, is it? Now instead, they leaf through the
>scanned version on my studio computer. Is THAT stealing?
>Or just reading? I think the copying, and then "giving away of the
>information" is the stealing part, isn't it?
>It's a damn fine line.
And if you get a copy out of the library or buy a second
hand copy from someone ........ lots of ' ifs' ........yes, Wayne.
It is a fine line between reading and stealing ...... but like
porn, you know it when you see it.
Its been a big problem with chinapainters for a long time... Many
teachers sell studies ( photos of a piece of their work along
with directions) ..and its been a battle to try to get china
painters to see that , while its great and cheap for each of
them personally to have one member go to a show, buy a study (
and maybe go to a demo ) and then copy the study for everybody in
the club , eventually , that teacher will say " screw it" and not
produce any more lessons..
If the teachers cant make some kind of money at it ( workshops,
books, what have you ) , then the need to pay the bills overcomes
the need to share information ... and they lock themselves in
their studios and make stuff instead of also teaching ... and
everybody loses...
Copying stuff is really short sighted...
The downside to a book is the cost to print it ...
Thats the thing that s holding me back right now from doing
one on china painting techniques.. ( and if its accepted by a
publisher, the author doesnt make a whole lot on a book .. )
marci the chinapainter
dwain on sun 18 apr 10
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:10 PM, John Hesselberth
wrote:
> Hi Marci,
>
> Publish it yourself.
>
>
>
>
and then there is lulu for the self publisher. www.lulu.com
cheers,
dwain
--
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
--
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
marci and rex on sun 18 apr 10
John said:
"
Publish it yourself. "
HI John,
Thanks for the great email ... I think I have access to all
the things I d need ( proofreading , design etc ) .. The
biggest determent is the $$$$$...
So what else is new? LOL !....
Any suggestions on how to find a good print company that will do
a decent job without demanding an arm and a liver?
marci
KATHI LESUEUR on sun 18 apr 10
On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:10 PM, marci and rex wrote:
> At 05:40 PM 4/17/2010, Phoenix Rising Farm wrote:
>
>> Is making a copy for yourself stealing? _Provided you don't
>> disseminate
>> that info_?
>> Let's say a friend comes over and sees the book lying on the coffee
>> table. S/he picks it up and leafs through.
>> That's surely not stealing, is it? Now instead, they leaf through
>> the
>> scanned version on my studio computer. Is THAT stealing?
>> Or just reading? I think the copying, and then "giving away of the
>> information" is the stealing part, isn't it?
>> It's a damn fine line.
>
>
>
> And if you get a copy out of the library or buy a second
> hand copy from someone ........ lots of ' ifs' ........yes, Wayne.
> It is a fine line between reading and stealing ...... but like
> porn, you know it when you see it.>>>
I would agree with Tony Clennell. Skip the PDF. I want something I
can sit down with, carry around, read while my partner is using the
computer. A PDF just doesn't sound user friendly for this application.
That said, I remember when Mastering Cone 6 Glazes came out. I bought
the book and I don't even fire at cone 6. I fire cone 10 reduction.
But, I knew there were lots of things to learn in that book. We were
asked not to loan it out because it would affect the sales of the
book and it had taken a lot of work to produce. I loaned it out. I
loaned it to one potter friend who fires cone 6. "Jim, take this book
and read it. It's really full of useful stuff." He took it, read it,
was really impressed with it and then went out and bought his own
copy. I knew he would once he read it. It's that kind of book. You
want it handy all of the time, especially if your thing is cone 6
glazes. Now, yes, he could have stood in front of a copier and copied
it and ended up with a bunch of garbage that will fade over time.
But, having his own copy was so much better. I think the same will
happen with Mel's book. Any serious potter will want their own copy.
They may borrow a copy to look at. They can copy a few pages. They
can do the same thing with a library copy. But, in the end that won't
be as good as having their own copy with all of that information
available all of the time. I've ended up buying lots of clay books
because either I borrowed them from a library or friend. It's not
like a novel-- read it and pass it on. Anyone serious about clay is
going to want to own this book.
KATHI LESUEUR
http://www.lesueurclaywork.com
John Hesselberth on sun 18 apr 10
Hi Marci,
Publish it yourself. Yes, you have to put some money on the table up =3D
front and it is a whole lot more work. You also have to be sure you can =3D
put together the necessary skills from yourself or family or =3D
wherever--things like photography, layout, editing, and more. But you =3D
have control and you will potentially make more money. Of course you =3D
have to have a route to market and be pretty sure the books will sell. =3D
But you won't see your books "remaindered off" unless you want them to =3D
be and you won't have a publisher cutting deals that you don't like.
Ron and I wouldn't have it any other way. We also have a whole bunch of =3D
pottery supply dealers who are happy to carry it because we have put =3D
them on even footing with big box stores and amazon.com. We are willing =3D
to talk to those who are seriously interested.=3D20
Regards,
John
On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:10 PM, marci and rex wrote:
> Thats the thing that s holding me back right now from doing
> one on china painting techniques.. ( and if its accepted by a
> publisher, the author doesnt make a whole lot on a book .. )
John Hesselberth on mon 19 apr 10
On Apr 18, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marci and rex wrote:
> HI John ,
> Thanks for the great email ... I think I have access to all the =3D
things I d need ( proofreading , design etc ) .. The biggest determent =
=3D
is the $$$$$...
> So what else is new? LOL !....
> Any suggestions on how to find a good print company that will do a =3D
decent job without demanding an arm and a liver?
> marci
>=3D20
Marci,
www.48hrbooks.com does a great job for me with the GlazeMaster User's =3D
Guide. It has a color cover but is all B&W inside. You can order as few =3D
as 100 copies at a time with excellent quality and service. They do =3D
color also. I don't what the quality is like--I just never checked =3D
because we already had our color printer when I became aware of =3D
48hrbooks.com.=3D20
For color (Mastering Cone 6 Glazes) Ron and I use Haynes Printing in =3D
Cobourg, Ontaro, Canada and order 2000-4000 at a time to get an =3D
acceptable price. We could have done better on price in Hong Kong or =3D
Singapore I suppose, but with Haynes, Ron can stand at the end of the =3D
press and approve the color as it is being printed. We are very happy =3D
with them also.
Regards,
John
John Hesselberth
www.masteringglazes.com
www.frogpondpottery.com
.=3D
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