Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on tue 20 apr 10
Kari used her laser printer to print directly onto the decal paper--
the ink is iron oxide based. I think she fires fairly high--like to 05
(I think?). I bet if you emailed her she'd tell you.
Lynn
On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Kathleen Gordon wrote:
> Hi all - At the Nceca demonstration of Kari Radasch ,she talked about
> her decals. She bought them from Bell. She said she fired them onto
> her work and that the information was on her website. I could not find
> the information on her website but there were amazing glaze recipes
> for lowfire.
> I got the laser decals from Bell but now wonder what temp to fire
> them . I assume 018 but would like to confirm this. Anyone have
> experience with Bell laser decals. Of course I called the company but
> they have yet to return my call.It might take longer to return the
> call than it did to get the merchandise! lol
> Thanks for any and all help.
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Kathleen Gordon on tue 20 apr 10
Hi all - At the Nceca demonstration of Kari Radasch ,she talked about
her decals. She bought them from Bell. She said she fired them onto
her work and that the information was on her website. I could not find
the information on her website but there were amazing glaze recipes
for lowfire.
I got the laser decals from Bell but now wonder what temp to fire
them . I assume 018 but would like to confirm this. Anyone have
experience with Bell laser decals. Of course I called the company but
they have yet to return my call.It might take longer to return the
call than it did to get the merchandise! lol
Thanks for any and all help.
"if things seem under control you are not going fast enough"
mario andretti
kathleen gordon
Fredrick Paget on wed 21 apr 10
This interesting. What is 5x20 glaze?
Pardon my ignorance.
I gave up on iron decals after I developed an inkjet embossing
technique that allows me to make standard decals with any powder that
is a ceramic stain, such as Mason stain or oxides. It is all in the
archives. As far as I know very few have picked up on this altho a
European firm tried it and there are some Chinese printers that use a
similar method directly on tile. The secret is a wet ink directly on
gum coated paper =3D commercial decal paper.
Fred
>On 04/21/2010 03:34 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
>>
>>... You can't sucessfully
>>glaze over the iron image as it will bleach out to pale yellow. It
>>needs to be on bare clay or on top of the glaze. I have fired it on
>>bare clay to cone 9 in reduction and it is blacker at that temp.
>
>Lynn,
>With all due respect, I beg to differ. I fire glaze-coated images
>all the time, and they do not wash out. At least not significantly
>enough to make me consider a different approach. I think the key is
>what glaze you use over the image and how thick the glaze it. I use
>a slightly modified version of 5x20 glaze, and I apply it VERY thin
>by quick dipping. Literally, deflocculated all the way and diluted
>120 parts water to 100 parts glaze by weight. Another issue here is
>that you cannot glaze over unfired decal, that's why I apply decals
>to greenware and bisque firing burns out everything but the metal
>oxide. It is a bit tricky to work with bisqued pieces that also have
>a powdery oxide on them - it smudges easily just by handling them.
>
>BTW, I am a big fan of this method and I cannot thank you enough for
>opening this technology up to all of us.
>Dennis
Dennis Gerasimov on wed 21 apr 10
On 04/21/2010 03:34 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
>
> ... You can't sucessfully
> glaze over the iron image as it will bleach out to pale yellow. It
> needs to be on bare clay or on top of the glaze. I have fired it on
> bare clay to cone 9 in reduction and it is blacker at that temp.
Lynn,
With all due respect, I beg to differ. I fire glaze-coated images all
the time, and they do not wash out. At least not significantly enough to
make me consider a different approach. I think the key is what glaze you
use over the image and how thick the glaze it. I use a slightly modified
version of 5x20 glaze, and I apply it VERY thin by quick dipping.
Literally, deflocculated all the way and diluted 120 parts water to 100
parts glaze by weight. Another issue here is that you cannot glaze over
unfired decal, that's why I apply decals to greenware and bisque firing
burns out everything but the metal oxide. It is a bit tricky to work
with bisqued pieces that also have a powdery oxide on them - it smudges
easily just by handling them.
BTW, I am a big fan of this method and I cannot thank you enough for
opening this technology up to all of us.
Dennis
Frank Gaydos on wed 21 apr 10
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Lee Love on wed 21 apr 10
http://lindaarbuckle.com/handouts/laserprinted_decals.pdf
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Dennis Gerasimov on wed 21 apr 10
I use Bell laser decals, and print with regular laser toner on them (as
well as my own cobalt and copper toners). The firing temperature depends
on your body and the glaze. I work with c6 porcelain, and at c05 my
decals leave a powder of metal oxide that can be easily smudged.
However, if your body matures at c05, the same iron oxide will happily
bake on and be durable at that temperature. Think of a decal as a
method to apply a precise pattern with iron oxide.
The way I do it is I apply the decal to greenware, do a bisque fire at
05 (which leaves iron oxide on the surface, but powdery), then dip in
glaze and fire to c6. I also use a small decal with my name on the
bottom of the piece, and I do not apply glaze to the bottom, oxides bake
into the porcelain itself.
Dennis
Kathleen Gordon wrote:
> Hi all - At the Nceca demonstration of Kari Radasch ,she talked about
> her decals. She bought them from Bell. She said she fired them onto
> her work and that the information was on her website. I could not find
> the information on her website but there were amazing glaze recipes
> for lowfire.
> I got the laser decals from Bell but now wonder what temp to fire
> them . I assume 018 but would like to confirm this. Anyone have
> experience with Bell laser decals. Of course I called the company but
> they have yet to return my call.It might take longer to return the
> call than it did to get the merchandise! lol
> Thanks for any and all help.
>
>
>
> "if things seem under control you are not going fast enough"
> mario andretti
>
> kathleen gordon
Fredrick Paget on wed 21 apr 10
Lynn,
These questions are very hard to answer because there is not enough
in formation to know what you are trying to do.
In 1993 I first discovered that the HP Black and White laser printer
I owened used iron oxide in the ink when I burned a few laser prints
in the fireplace and saw a nice image on the ash.
I then devised 3 or 4 ways to put the laser image on the ceramic and
it is all in the archives.
If in fact you are using that iron laser image you need to fire it
pretty high to get it to bond with the clay like Dennis says- like
maybe cone 04 or more depending on the clay. You can't sucessfully
glaze over the iron image as it will bleach out to pale yellow. It
needs to be on bare clay or on top of the glaze. I have fired it on
bare clay to cone 9 in reduction and it is blacker at that temp.
Now about Bel. This is a fine company and they make a lot of diferent
decal products as you can see on their website.
Among these products are silk screened decals that use china
paint-like pigments and fire to Cone 018.
They also make decal paper of many diferent kinds. One kind is the so
called laser decal paper which is a multi layer paper with a very
thin plastic film on top of the gum and paper.
You can print an iron laser image on top of this thin film but you
must apply it to the clay so the pigment is in contact with the clay
or fired glaze. That means the image is reversed.
Frank Gaydos has instructions for this method on his website. If you
put these decals on in the base down usual method you have the
plastic film under the pigment and it usually causes an advanced
case of crawl and creep.
Now about the laser printer. You can't get an image unless the
printer is loaded with iron bearing ink or if ceramic toner is in the
thing. . Every year there are fewer black and white laser printers
that have iron in the ink. Test !!
Color laser printers can be loaded with CMYK colors of ceramic
pigment bearing toner, That is a different ball of wax. Enduring
Images on the web has these and they are costly.
Fred Paget
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
fredrick@well.com>
Charter Member Potters Council
>Kari used her laser printer to print directly onto the decal paper--
>the ink is iron oxide based. I think she fires fairly high--like to 05
>(I think?). I bet if you emailed her she'd tell you.
>Lynn
>
>
>On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Kathleen Gordon wrote:
>
>> Hi all - At the Nceca demonstration of Kari Radasch ,she talked about
>> her decals. She bought them from Bell. She said she fired them onto
> > her work
>
> > I got the laser decals from Bell but now wonder what temp to fire
>> them . I assume 018 but would like to confirm this. Anyone have
>> experience with Bell laser decals. Of course I called the company but
>> they have yet to return my call.It might take longer to return the
>> call than it did to get the merchandise! lol
>> Thanks for any and all help.
>
>
>
>
>Lynn Goodman
>Fine Porcelain Pottery
>Cell 347-526-9805
>www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
--
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on thu 22 apr 10
Hey Dennis--that wasn't me. I know it works!
Lynn
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Dennis Gerasimov wrote:
> On 04/21/2010 03:34 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
>>
>> ... You can't sucessfully
>> glaze over the iron image as it will bleach out to pale yellow. It
>> needs to be on bare clay or on top of the glaze. I have fired it on
>> bare clay to cone 9 in reduction and it is blacker at that temp.
>
> Lynn,
> With all due respect, I beg to differ. I fire glaze-coated images all
> the time, and they do not wash out. At least not significantly
> enough to
> make me consider a different approach. I think the key is what glaze
> you
> use over the image and how thick the glaze it. I use a slightly
> modified
> version of 5x20 glaze, and I apply it VERY thin by quick dipping.
> Literally, deflocculated all the way and diluted 120 parts water to
> 100
> parts glaze by weight. Another issue here is that you cannot glaze
> over
> unfired decal, that's why I apply decals to greenware and bisque
> firing
> burns out everything but the metal oxide. It is a bit tricky to work
> with bisqued pieces that also have a powdery oxide on them - it
> smudges
> easily just by handling them.
>
> BTW, I am a big fan of this method and I cannot thank you enough for
> opening this technology up to all of us.
> Dennis
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Dennis Gerasimov on thu 22 apr 10
On 04/21/2010 08:21 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
> This interesting. What is 5x20 glaze?
This thread has the recipe:
http://www.potters.org/subject38472.htm
Dennis
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