John Britt on tue 20 apr 10
Linda,
Sounds to me like you don't need a book, you just need to mix up some
recipes to get started. (You certainly don't need glaze calculation softw=
=3D
are!)
I would Google "cone 6 glaze recipes" or "cone 6 oxidation recipes" , or
cone 6 pottery glazes", etc. Try different combinations of words and you
will get tons of recipes.
Alisa Clausen has the best site!
http://www.alisapots.dk/glaze.htm
or Ceramics Monthly:
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/
On the right they have cone 6 glazes :
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/category/ceramic-glaze-recipes/mid-range-glaz=
=3D
e-recipes/
Here is another:
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/ceramic-glaze-recipes/mid-range-glaze-recipes=
=3D
/blue-greencopper-red-glaze-recipe-cone-6-oxidation-or-reduction/#respond=
=3D
They have a new forum on the site where you can freely ask for recipes an=
=3D
d
advice.=3D20=3D20
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/community/index.php?/index
I also post recipes on our blog:
http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com
Like: http://ncclayclub.blogspot.com/2009/05/cone-6-beads-glaze.html
There are sooooo many cone 6 recipes that you will not know where to star=
=3D
t.=3D20=3D20
But if that isn 't enough here are some recipes from Mastering Cone 6 to =
=3D
get
you started:
GLOSSY CLEAR LINER cone 6
20.00=3D09G-200 Potash Feldspar=3D20
20.00=3D09Ferro 3134=3D20
15.00=3D09Wollastonite=3D20
20.00=3D09EPK China Clay=3D20
7.00=3D09Talc=3D20=3D20
18.00=3D09Silica=3D20
HIGH CALCIUM MATTE cone 6
21.00=3D09Ferro 3195=3D20
29.00=3D09Wollastonite=3D20
3.00=3D09Nepheline Syenite=3D20=3D20
30.00 =3D09EPK China Clay=3D20
17.00 =3D09Silica=3D20
(Possible Colorants: Copper Carbonate 3.00
Rutile 6.00)
HIGH CALCIUM MATTE 2 cone 6
23.00=3D09Ferro 3195=3D20
28.00=3D09Wollastonite=3D20
3.00=3D09Nepheline Syenite=3D20=3D20
28.00=3D09EPK China Clay=3D20
17.00=3D09Silica=3D20
(Possible colorants: Copper Carbonate 3.00
Rutile 6.00)
GLOSSY BASE 2 cone 6
26.00=3D09Custer Feldspar=3D20
22.00=3D09Ferro 3134=3D20
5.00=3D09Talc=3D20
4.00=3D09Whiting=3D20
17.00=3D09OM-4=3D20
26.00=3D09Silica=3D20
GLOSSY BASE 1 cone 6
20.00=3D09G-200 Potash Feldspar=3D20
20.00=3D09Ferro 3134=3D20
11.00=3D09Wollastonite=3D20
20.00=3D09EPK China Clay=3D20
10.50=3D09Talc=3D20=3D20
18.50=3D09Silica=3D20
RASPBERRY cone 6
17.00=3D09Nepheline Syenite=3D20
15.00=3D09Ferro 3134=3D20
20.00=3D09Whiting=3D20
18.00=3D09Kentucky Ball Clay=3D20
30.00=3D09Silica=3D20
0.25=3D09Chrome Oxide=3D20
7.25=3D09Tin Oxide=3D20
=3D20
You can just run color variations. There are lots of these published in C=
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lay
Times, CM and other magazines if you have access to them. Many libraries
have subscriptions.
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Hope it helps,
Thanks,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Jaime Salles on thu 22 apr 10
John
=3D09Coming from anyone else I would have dismissed the person who had=3D20
written your message. In my humble opinion you do yourself a disservice.=3D=
20=3D
=3D09Do you honestly mean to send people on this dart throwing Google=3D20
based approach, to solve a glaze fit issue?
=3D09I'm old fashioned I love books. To me books like people, when you=3D20
find the right one at the appropriate time, it makes all the difference.=
=3D
You=3D20
have written such a book . So has Ron and John, Linda's particular concer=
=3D
ns=3D20
are answered beautifully and elegantly in =3D93Mastering Cone 6 =3D93. In m=
y =3D
humble=3D20
opinion it fits her time and immediate concerns perfectly.=3D20
=3D09To your message I feel it's, perhaps to strong a word , misleading=3D2=
0
but I am fallible and=3D20
=3D09I thank you for taking the time to pen your book, which I do esteem.=
=3D20=3D
I do not believe I would have ever been able to Google all of its pieces =
=3D
into=3D20
such a worth while whole.
=3D09To author's continued successes I remain
Jaime Salles
www.jsalles.com
Maurice Weitman on fri 23 apr 10
At 14:30 -0400 on 4/23/10, John Britt wrote:
>I have hundreds of books, but to the person writing...getting some recipes
>and firing seemed, and still seems, appropriate. A beginner doesn't need
>all the technical stuff. Just do it!
Hello, John, Sorry I missed you at NCECA.
About this issue: I will never know as much as you about glazes. But
I've been in Linda's position much more recently than you have. And
of course I may be wrong here, but in reading her requests, it seemed
that she really does want to know how to adjust a glaze to make it
fit the bodies she uses.
Pointing to thousands of recipes or providing some from MC6G will not
help Linda nearly as much as her working through a few of the early
chapters in the MC6G book. Yes, Alisa's stuff is delightfully
informative, especially if one knows how to substitute materials and
adjust for expansion to accommodate her bodies.
You may recall that I've been unhappy with the prohibition of
publishing MC6G glaze recipes, but here is an excellent example of
why just providing the recipes is a disservice.
Linda may not be willing, able, or ready to learn glaze calc
techniques, but I think your "Just do it!" suggestion is a recipe
(sorry) for frustration.
Linda: I think you'd be well-served following Eve Rose's advice:
>_Mastering Cone 6 Glazes_ by John Hesselberth and Ron Roy. Your
>friend is right. Must have.
>
>_Glazes Cone 6_ by Michael Bailey
>
>There are also a lot of really neat glaze recipes in the ClayArt
>archives. A couple of them have become staples for me.
>
>But as always, before you mix up a big batch: test..test..test!
or Bill Schran's:
>Buy Mastering Cone 6 Glazes!
>
>Even if you never mix any of the glazes, you will gain a great
>understanding of glazes and firing schedules, especially the
>importance of controlled cooling. Using their suggested firing
>schedule will make any commercial glaze come out better.
>
>Generally speaking, the larger the quantity of glaze or chemical you
>buy, the cheaper it is per pound. But certainly you can buy smaller
>amounts.
>
>If you do purchase glazes, do buy dry. You can also begin testing by
>getting clear or white glazes and add your own colorants.
Good luck!
Regards,
Maurice
John Britt on fri 23 apr 10
Jamie,
I have hundreds of books, but to the person writing...getting some recipe=
=3D
s
and firing seemed, and still seems, appropriate. A beginner doesn't need=
=3D
all the technical stuff. Just do it!
There is time later to get into books. And I would not demean the Google=
=3D
search as a method for information mining! It is spectacular and there i=
=3D
s
always more to find and learn.
There are thousands of great books, articles and webpages on-line.=3D20
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Jaime Salles on sat 24 apr 10
John=3D20
=3D09I was surprised to find your response as part of the master email.=3D2=
0
That is the problem with technologies. I now find I feel a need to=3D20
preemptively make several apologizes. First to Mel , Maurice and then to=
=3D
you=3D20
for partially answering this post publicly after answering your post priv=
=3D
ately.=3D20=3D20=3D20
To Mel and Maurice on=3D09
the listserv format and structure: I love its retro feel the long taper=
=3D
ing fins=3D20
with the pointy conical red brake lights, The big swaths of chrome and th=
=3D
e=3D20
front bench seat that you can wax down so that when you turned sharply=3D20=
=3D
right, your date slides to cuddle against you (If you are grinning, it d=
=3D
oes date=3D20
you, for me it was the 72 Plymouth Duster ( and and for the truly young,=
=3D
=3D20
scratching their heads this was before any mandatory seat belt laws)).
=3D09 Now that I think of it it's a hell of a combination: drinking age 18,=
=3D
a=3D20
waxed bench seat, and no seat belts it's a wonder any of us made it.=3D20
But in today's age the listserv format is obtuse .
=3D09 There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when or how a=3D20
message is posted on the master list and or indicated.=3D20
=3D09Case in point, I received a reply in my personal e-mail from what I=3D=
20=3D
believe is John Britt. I then went and logged on to the master list and t=
=3D
hat e-
mail by John Britt had not been posted publicly. I go back to my e-mail=3D=
20=3D
software assuming I have received a private message from John Britt and=3D2=
0=3D
answer John Britt in a private form, one that I would never have used pub=
=3D
licly=3D20
in responding to John Britt the author of =3D93The Complete Guide to High-F=
=3D
ire=3D20
Glazes=3D94.
=3D09 Imagine my surprise when.
I get the master list in my e-mail box this Saturday and I find that the=3D=
20=3D
message I thought was a private message from John Britt to me is now a=3D20=
=3D
public message from John Britt to me and I have already answered a privat=
=3D
e=3D20
message from John Britt privately and I'm praying my private response doe=
=3D
s=3D20
not appear as a public message to John Britt.=3D20
So now here I am penning a public response which I did not want to do.
John
=3D09A core systemic problem with Google is relevance.
=3D09Look at this posting:
John Britt appears in the body text 13 times
=3D93The Complete Guide to High Fire Glazes=3D94 appears in the body 5 tim=
es=3D
And John Britt =3D93The Complete Guide to High-Fire=3D94 appear together in=
q=3D
uotes 3=3D20
times
Although Google also runs many other data search related functions like=3D2=
0=3D
number of hits to a specific query.
=3D09There is a high probability that search engines will be served this=3D=
20=3D
post as a high probability result when someone enters into a search=3D20
engine =3D93John Britt=3D94 =3D93The Complete Guide to High Fire Glazes =
=3D93 (=3D
after the=3D20
mining robots get done digesting the text and depositing it in countless=3D=
20=3D
servers all over the world) when they are truly looking for the book =3D93T=
=3D
he=3D20
Complete Guide to High Fire Glazes=3D94 by you John Britt.
By simply adding the mistakes Brit , Brick,Brity,Brittt, Complate Guide,=
=3D
or the=3D20
many typing and spelling mistakes It would probably come up as one of the=
=3D
=3D20
top 5 results if the not the first.
I must therefore disagree, I do not find Google to be the best source=3D20=
=3D
particularly for beginners.
=3D09 The beauty of the ClayArt list community model is relevance of=3D20
information to query as well as many other facets.To this end=3D20
I remain respectfully
Jaime Salles
www.jsalles.com
Maurice Weitman on sun 25 apr 10
At 20:23 -0400 on 4/24/10, Jaime Salles wrote:
>To Mel and Maurice on the listserv format and structure: [...] But
>in today's age the listserv format is obtuse. There seems to be no
>rhyme or reason as to when or how a message is posted on the master
>list and or indicated.
Jey, Jamie, how the hell are ya?
Here are the two problems (not to diminish the righteousness of your
observation/critique):
First, clayart is moderated. (Sort of.) This means that no message
gets distributed to the list until the moderator approves it.
Now if our moderators were to be sitting by their computers 24x7 AND
felt like approving messages quickly, they'd be sent to the list at
about the same time as a direct/private email message.
But our moderators have lives and individual beliefs of how, in what
sequence, and how often to approve messages.
Second: another listserv feature that I think of as a bug is the
digest. (You get clayart as a digest instead of receiving individual
messages.) This adds yet another delay, in that digests are sent out
once a day at midnight. This results in problems besides the delay
you experienced: multiple, similar/identical responses to questions,
since the reader won't know for another 24 hours that the question
has already been answered, and our moderators send them out anyhow.
These delays, I believe, are detrimental to making clayart
conversations conversational; there's just too much delay and
messages aren't always approved in the order they were received by
the moderator.
It seems that in your case, John sent his note both to clayart and to
you privately. The latter one gets sent to you immediately while the
clayart copy got delayed by moderator-life and digest lag. John and
I often send a private CC to the intended recipient as well as to
clayart. I did so here, to you.
You also made another good point:
>I have already answered a private message from John Britt privately
>and I'm praying my private response does not appear as a public
>message to John Britt.
Your prayer has been pre-answered. clayart is configured so that
hitting "reply" to a clayart message will send an email to the
original poster, not to the list. It is configured this way to avoid
this very type of embarrassment which others have suffered over the
years, and it also keeps SOME personal messages off the list.
This policy/feature/bug has a downside: people who don't look at a
message they're sending before hitting the "send" button can
inadvertently send a message to an individual instead of to the list.
This pisses off some clayarters. Life's like that.
So, here's a case in point... I'm sending this to the list and to you
privately. It's just after midnight Saturday night, and I'll bet
that you won't see this (from clayart) until Monday.
See you around!
Best,
Maurice
John Britt on sun 25 apr 10
Maurice,
I am on the run, but rather than wasting a lot of time conjecturing, let'=
=3D
s
ask Linda what she thinks.=3D20=3D20
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
John Britt on sun 25 apr 10
Jaime,
Don't over do it. No worries. The purpose of a discussion group is-
discussion. It we all agreed - it would suck!
If you want to have some fun searching try:
http://bananaslug.com
It inserts a random word and you get some crazy results as well as some
really interesting ones. They it with "your name ceramics " then press th=
=3D
e
random word.
So before we get too off track, lets see if Linda M. has anything to say,=
=3D
John
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Lee Love on sun 25 apr 10
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Jaime Salles wrote:
> John
> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Coming from anyone else I would have dismissed the=
person =3D
who had
> written your message. In my humble opinion you do yourself a disservice.
> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Do you honestly mean to send people on this dart t=
hrowing =3D
Google
John also included 6 base glazes.
But yes, since just about every question has been answered 6 times,
the archives are an excellent place to start. At least, it helps you
know the right question to ask.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Jaime Salles on sun 25 apr 10
Lee=3D20
Please do not take this message personally Lee.=3D20
=3D09My comments were made directly to John. At this point I do not=3D20
know how much of our conversations have been held as private I will assum=
=3D
e=3D20
them to be private . And as such I will respect that. I will only address=
=3D
this=3D20
issue again if John himself wish to do so publicly, and to John himself.
=3D09What I will say is the major thrust of the 5 points I enumerated to=3D=
20=3D
John privately, the relevance of search engines was the least relevant.
Jaime Salles
www.jsalles.com
Jaime Salles on sun 25 apr 10
Maurice=3D20
=3D09I hope I don't inadvertently start a cascade of problems on this .=3D2=
0
Being a visitor it would be seriously bad form for me to enter clay Art =
=3D
and the=3D20
first thing I do is critique it. I do a lot of volunteer work and I know =
=3D
just how=3D20
taxing and time consuming this can be. My fumbling around thou served as=
=3D
a=3D20
good vehicle to illustrate a minor point . The one thing I do feel is mos=
=3D
t=3D20
unhelpful in this time disjointed internet based conversation is the the =
=3D
whole=3D20
thread of discussions is not encapsulated by the design and the major poi=
=3D
nts=3D20
dissipate into minor points until the thrust is left to the consistency o=
=3D
f mush.
If you every come by my neck of the woods PLEASE feel free to give me a=3D2=
0=3D
holler, I very much enjoyed your company, lord knows I will do like wise.=
=3D
Jaime Salles
www.jsalles.com
John Britt on sun 25 apr 10
Jamie,
You are fine. Please keep posting. We need other voices,
John Britt
Eric Hansen on sun 25 apr 10
It's my understanding that the site is sponsored and/or owned by ACerS, who
seems satisfied with how it works. But in all honesty, it hasn't seen a
major upgrade since the late '90's when I started visiting. Some people pos=
t
everyday, others like me come and go, mostly read, but sometimes post. The
one thing we have in common is addiction to clay and probably co-addiction
to the internet. Many academic subjects use listserve technology and it
always seems to create the same sometimes awkward group dynamic, so I don't
take things too personally, it usually isn't the people but rather the
design. It is a bit like having a wheel or kiln that doesn't quite work for
you exactly, but you have to make it work anyway, because that is what
you've got. A learning curve thing.
h a n s e n
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Jaime Salles wrote:
> Maurice
> I hope I don't inadvertently start a cascade of problems on this .
> Being a visitor it would be seriously bad form for me to enter clay Art
> and the
> first thing I do is critique it. I do a lot of volunteer work and I know
> just how
> taxing and time consuming this can be. My fumbling around thou served as=
a
> good vehicle to illustrate a minor point . The one thing I do feel is mos=
t
> unhelpful in this time disjointed internet based conversation is the the
> whole
> thread of discussions is not encapsulated by the design and the major
> points
> dissipate into minor points until the thrust is left to the consistency o=
f
> mush.
> If you every come by my neck of the woods PLEASE feel free to give me a
> holler, I very much enjoyed your company, lord knows I will do like wise.
>
> Jaime Salles
>
> www.jsalles.com
>
Jaime Salles on mon 26 apr 10
Eric
=3D09That is a fantastic idea, I'm all for co-addictions I already have a=
=3D20=3D
few. I bet it would be possible to control the wheel peddle using a lap t=
=3D
op's=3D20
sound control then with dragon software we can voice control the whole th=
=3D
ing=3D20
and not even touch the keys. Throw and dictate your email, The most=3D20
revolutionary thing about the contraption is that it may in inadvertently=
=3D
cause=3D20
us men to multitask..................Oh...................that will never=
=3D
work .
So here's to learning curve things, you gotta lov em ;)
Jaime
www.jsalles.com
Jaime Salles on mon 26 apr 10
John
Thank you=3D20
=3D09To author's continued successes I remain
Jaime Salles
www.jsalles.com
Lee Love on mon 26 apr 10
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Jaime Salles wrote:
> John
> Thank you
>
> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0To author's continued successes I remain
Actually, John has good technical information in his book that is
relivant to temps outside of high fire.
Check it out on Google Books. Sample and see for yourself:
http://books.google.com/books?id=3D3D5klq2XOXYaUC&printsec=3D3Dfrontcover&d=
q=3D3D=3D
john+britt+glazes&hl=3D3Den&ei=3D3DGKXVS4m9PIq4NZWK3dID&sa=3D3DX&oi=3D3Dboo=
k_result=3D
&ct=3D3Dresult&resnum=3D3D1&ved=3D3D0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=3D3Donepage&q&f=3D3Dfalse
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Jaime Salles on mon 26 apr 10
Lee
Even thou I exclusively work Cone 6 Ox , I have read John's book cover to=
=3D
=3D20
cover. And have bought copies as gifts for friends. I believe it to be a=3D=
20=3D
wonderful resource.
Jaime
www.jsalles.com
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