Shula on thu 13 may 10
I know we have discussed a similar issue before, but this is the proverbial=
last straw for me. I received an email advertising a Potters Council confe=
rence in September that looks very interesting, one that I would like to at=
tend. However, when I checked my calendar, it starts on Kol Nidre / Yom Kip=
pur, the holiest day of the Jewish year. Therefore, I will not attend the c=
onference. This seems to happen almost every fall - a Potters Council confe=
rence over either Rosh haShannah or Yom Kippur. I have been a Potters Counc=
il member from the start and what I perceive as continued thoughtlessness h=
as me rethinking whether I will renew my membership next year. If the power=
s that be at the Potters Council can't be considerate about major religious=
holy days. . .
Shula
Shula
Desert Hot Springs, California USA
www.claymystique.etsy.com
Chris Campbell on fri 14 may 10
Karen wrote :
>It's an organization of amateurs repeating
> a stupid mistake for which there
> is no excuse.
On behalf of all the VOLUNTEER 'amateurs'
who work on your behalf for Potters Council,
I would like to thank you for those kind words.
There is ONE PAID Potters Council person.
ONE.
The rest is done by ordinary potters in their
spare ... and not so spare ... time.
I thank them all for their continued generous
support and willingness to help.
Shula -
You and every other Member, are the Potters Council.
You are our best and strongest single resource.
Perhaps what we need is one person
of the Jewish faith to volunteer to help on our
conference committee.
You could advise us on timing issues so this
would not happen again.
Perhaps you could also keep track of Muslim,
Baptist, Buddhist and Catholic Holy Days so we
do not offend them by making yet another
'stupid' mistake.
Please e-mail me if you would like to help with
this and the position is yours!
chris@ccpottery.com
Our Conferences are scheduled by availability
at the facility we are using and the schedule
recommended by whatever volunteer is co-ordinating
the conference for Potters Council.
We count on them to tell us when it can be done.
We count on Members to tell us when their best
time to attend is.
We count on Members to tell us when NOT to
schedule.
Yes, we need our Members input.
Telling it to clayart is not the way to fix anything.
Tell Potters Council you are not happy.
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/potters-council/
Unless our Members tell US we can't do anything
about it.
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
Proud to be ... President, Potters Council
Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
Designs in Colored Porcelain
www.ccpottery.com
POTTERS COUNCIL CONFERENCE
'Handbuilding'
May 28 - 30, 2010
Atlanta Georgia
Hosted by: Spruill Center for the Arts
Presenters:
Chris Campbell, Marko Fields, Patz Fowle,
Mitch Lyons, Sandi Pierantozzi & Kathy Triplett
http://ceramicartsdaily.org/education/
Taylor Hendrix on fri 14 may 10
As long as nobody at the conference, drinks, dances, or has sex, we
Baptists are happy.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Chris Campbell
wrote:
...
>
> Perhaps you could also keep track of Muslim,
> Baptist, Buddhist and Catholic Holy Days so we
> do not offend them by making yet another
> 'stupid' mistake.
>
> Please e-mail me if you would like to help with
> this and the position is yours!
...
Mildred on fri 14 may 10
I never see a calendar that does not list Jewish High Holy days which occur
usually in September or October. Scheduling on those days is the same as
scheduling a conference on Easter Sunday. Mildred Herot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Campbell"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Here we go again - Splendid Surfaces Conference
> Karen wrote :
>
>>It's an organization of amateurs repeating
>> a stupid mistake for which there
>> is no excuse.
>
> On behalf of all the VOLUNTEER 'amateurs'
> who work on your behalf for Potters Council,
> I would like to thank you for those kind words.
>
> There is ONE PAID Potters Council person.
> ONE.
> The rest is done by ordinary potters in their
> spare ... and not so spare ... time.
>
> I thank them all for their continued generous
> support and willingness to help.
>
> Shula -
> You and every other Member, are the Potters Council.
> You are our best and strongest single resource.
>
> Perhaps what we need is one person
> of the Jewish faith to volunteer to help on our
> conference committee.
>
> You could advise us on timing issues so this
> would not happen again.
>
> Perhaps you could also keep track of Muslim,
> Baptist, Buddhist and Catholic Holy Days so we
> do not offend them by making yet another
> 'stupid' mistake.
>
> Please e-mail me if you would like to help with
> this and the position is yours!
>
> chris@ccpottery.com
>
> Our Conferences are scheduled by availability
> at the facility we are using and the schedule
> recommended by whatever volunteer is co-ordinating
> the conference for Potters Council.
>
> We count on them to tell us when it can be done.
> We count on Members to tell us when their best
> time to attend is.
> We count on Members to tell us when NOT to
> schedule.
>
> Yes, we need our Members input.
>
> Telling it to clayart is not the way to fix anything.
> Tell Potters Council you are not happy.
>
> http://ceramicartsdaily.org/potters-council/
>
> Unless our Members tell US we can't do anything
> about it.
>
> Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
> Proud to be ... President, Potters Council
>
> Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
> Designs in Colored Porcelain
> www.ccpottery.com
>
>
> POTTERS COUNCIL CONFERENCE
> 'Handbuilding'
> May 28 - 30, 2010
> Atlanta Georgia
> Hosted by: Spruill Center for the Arts
> Presenters:
> Chris Campbell, Marko Fields, Patz Fowle,
> Mitch Lyons, Sandi Pierantozzi & Kathy Triplett
> http://ceramicartsdaily.org/education/
>
John Britt on fri 14 may 10
Shula,
Well,=3D85. don't go.
The NCECA conference seemed to work out ok?! 6000 people made it, Easter=
=3D
and all, in spite of the whining.
It is a very big world. It is impossible to accommodate all people=3D92s
"special" dates. I am sure you are only thinking out your special religio=
=3D
n!
(That is a typical self centered American response.) If promoters have to=
=3D
take into account all religious holidays, national (Canada, Mexico, US,
Puerto Rico) holidays, local celebrations, etc. etc. then there are no da=
=3D
tes
available!
Ever look at how many days are Buddhist holidays?! How about Hindu? Shint=
=3D
o?
Muslim, Catholic, Baptist, Rastafarian, Christian Scientist, Mormon, Seve=
=3D
n
Day Adventist, etc.....
Make a list and then tell us when we can have a conference.
On second thought, how about being happy that there is someone out there
organizing a conference and making almost no money but doing it for your
benefit=3D85then thank them!
Keeping it real,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
phil on fri 14 may 10
I think so.
The planning should be done by a group consisting of the most Fundamentalis=
t
radical exemplars possible, of the top twelve
Othodox Religions, and, this way, it can be a true democracy...thus
incapable of offending anyone.
I will contact the Potters Council to-day, and recommend them to my idea fo=
r
this needed improvement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Campbell"
> Karen wrote :
>
>>It's an organization of amateurs repeating
>> a stupid mistake for which there
>> is no excuse.
>
> On behalf of all the VOLUNTEER 'amateurs'
> who work on your behalf for Potters Council,
> I would like to thank you for those kind words.
>
> There is ONE PAID Potters Council person.
> ONE.
> The rest is done by ordinary potters in their
> spare ... and not so spare ... time.
>
> I thank them all for their continued generous
> support and willingness to help.
>
> Shula -
> You and every other Member, are the Potters Council.
> You are our best and strongest single resource.
>
> Perhaps what we need is one person
> of the Jewish faith to volunteer to help on our
> conference committee.
>
> You could advise us on timing issues so this
> would not happen again.
>
> Perhaps you could also keep track of Muslim,
> Baptist, Buddhist and Catholic Holy Days so we
> do not offend them by making yet another
> 'stupid' mistake.
>
> Please e-mail me if you would like to help with
> this and the position is yours!
>
> chris@ccpottery.com
>
> Our Conferences are scheduled by availability
> at the facility we are using and the schedule
> recommended by whatever volunteer is co-ordinating
> the conference for Potters Council.
>
> We count on them to tell us when it can be done.
> We count on Members to tell us when their best
> time to attend is.
> We count on Members to tell us when NOT to
> schedule.
>
> Yes, we need our Members input.
>
> Telling it to clayart is not the way to fix anything.
> Tell Potters Council you are not happy.
>
> http://ceramicartsdaily.org/potters-council/
>
> Unless our Members tell US we can't do anything
> about it.
>
> Chris Campbell - in North Carolina
> Proud to be ... President, Potters Council
>
> Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
> Designs in Colored Porcelain
> www.ccpottery.com
>
>
> POTTERS COUNCIL CONFERENCE
> 'Handbuilding'
> May 28 - 30, 2010
> Atlanta Georgia
> Hosted by: Spruill Center for the Arts
> Presenters:
> Chris Campbell, Marko Fields, Patz Fowle,
> Mitch Lyons, Sandi Pierantozzi & Kathy Triplett
> http://ceramicartsdaily.org/education/
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Steve Slatin on fri 14 may 10
Knocketh thine on selves out.
http://www.interfaithcalendar.org/2011.htm
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Snail Scott on fri 14 may 10
On May 13, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Shula wrote:
> ...Potters Council conference in September that looks very
> interesting... when I checked my calendar, it starts on Kol Nidre /
> Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish year...
Many people have scheduling conflicts, and not
just religious ones. Still, most of our conferences do
not conflict with Yom Kippur. or Easter. or Eid. or
Diwali. or Samhain, or... (Some, yes, but not most
of them.) It does suck when the one you want just
won't work for you, though. It would be great if the next
organizer of a fall conference (we do try to space them
out through the year) avoids the Jewish High Holy Days,
especially if there's been a conflict frequently in the past.
Unfortunately, it may not be the only criterion for selecting
a date. As for scheduling around the more notable conflicts
of all sorts, though, I just want to remind everyone that...
Potters Council conferences are put on by _local
volunteers!_. They aren't decreed from on high, or
produced, "Fiat!", by the board. Local members contact
the PC with ideas for conferences, and the PC works
with them, offering organizational expertise, guidelines,
publicity and more. When a member puts together a
conference proposal, they are finding locations, sponsors,
presenters, and wrangling more local volunteers to help.
The PC doesn't plan these things; the PC helps it happen.
If the local organizer wants a particular date because the
venue is available or if the presenters prefer it for some
logistical reason, it's not likely to get vetoed because some
percentage of the membership will have a conflict. Bigger
reasons why people might not attend include unpopular
locations, obscure presenters, high costs, and boring
topics, which might drive off even more people. When a
conference gets planned and has a great line-up of
presenters, in a popular (or populous) area, with an
in-demand theme, a good venue, a supportive volunteer
group, and a motivated organizer, it's likely to happen on
the date that works for them.
Potters Council conferences are deliberately capped at
a small number of attendees, to allow a closer direct
relationship between the presenters and participants. If
a conference sells out, it is possible that a similar one might
be held again in the vicinity to allow others to participate,
A similar topic might even be presented elsewhere if
someone steps up somewhere else to organize it.
It all depends, though, on local members organizing these
things. The Potters Council is an organization of members,
and when members step up and do things, things happen.
The board works hard to help this happen, but can't act
alone, and our office staff (of one!) is a hardworking person
who keeps everything in order, but she doesn't plan this
stuff singlehandedly either. It's got to start with the members!
If any of you with a Potters Council membership wishes that
things were done differently, or if you've got a great idea that
needs to happen, then step up! Contact the PC office or a
board member and make it happen.
Seriously.
The Potters Council cannot function as a top-down organization.
It needs to be created from the roots upward by members who
care enough to participate. It's not just a FedEx discount or
access to insurance or a website. Mostly, it's people.
(Hey, I'll be some people are reading this right now...)
-Snail
(former board member, Potters Council)
Carl Cravens on sun 16 may 10
On 05/14/2010 02:41 PM, Mildred wrote:
> I never see a calendar that does not list Jewish High Holy days which occ=
ur
> usually in September or October. Scheduling on those days is the same as
> scheduling a conference on Easter Sunday.
Ball games get scheduled on Easter Sunday every year. I know of a science =
fiction convention scheduled on an Easter Weekend once (bunch'a Godless hea=
thens didn't even know it was Easter, but heaven forbid our standing board-=
game session interfere with Superbowl Sunday! :). It's not like Christian =
holidays are sacred to planners and no others are. The Christian holidays =
are fair game as well. Christmas is avoided because of its *secular* hubbu=
b, not because of its religious meaning. (Heck, a few years ago, churches =
across the US cancelled Sunday services because of Christmas!)
Thing is, if planners pay attention to Christian holidays, Jewish holidays,=
Muslim holidays, Native American holidays, all the major secular holidays.=
.. eventually you run out of weekends because *every* weekend is holy to so=
mebody. If we want religious freedom, we have to accept that secular organ=
izations have the freedom to ignore our holy days. If they decide to take =
them into account, it is going to be for secular (business) reasons, not re=
ligious ones.
(Isn't that an ironic turn of phrase... "secular holiday"?)
--
Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net)
And old UNIX programmers never die, they just lose their grep.
phil on mon 17 may 10
Once one decides to go back to the old Gregorian Calendar as an
pro-tem option, everything instantly becomes so much easier.
You just have your Holidays, roughly two weeks after everyone else
does...so, ye can do theirs, then do yer own, if you wish! And your
Birthdays too!
Late Pay Total still a mite shy for that pesky Power Bill? Switch on over,
and Hey, you just got
another couple weeks to save up!
Late April already, and you still have not filled out and sent in those tea=
r
soaked
taxforms??
Well, now you just gained a few days to get 'em done!
Late for Work? Whoa, turn around and go home and back-to-bed!...you
instantly just got two weeks to go before you even have to be
there again! A Vacation simply by
switching Calandars. Wooo Hooo!!!
Forget someone's Birthday? Your Wedding Anniversary? Valentine's Day?
Mother's Day? or
other
idiotic Land Mine and poison sharp stick pit-traps of numbing anguish and
remorse strewn morasses of world weary eye rolling concession or
appeasing ogres?
Not a
problem! -
you just gotta
nother two weeks to find that special present for that special-someone to
make-their-day..!
Lol...
Love,
Phil
Lv
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