mel jacobson on fri 21 may 10
i am more than aware of color in japan. but what we
were fed in 1959 was sure not color. it was all about
subtle tones. and american potters tied to that hitching post for
a long time.
that was my point.
as usual, my point is mis-represented.
mel
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Lee Love on fri 21 may 10
Actually, one of the main features of the work done in this region,
and one that has influenced me, is the work done by Randy Johnston in
his noborigama and also Mark Pharis's low fire and low fire soda
work.
I haven't talked to Randy about it, but I think his
lighter colors and brighter look was influenced by Shimaoka's yohen
chamber ware.
Especially for woodfired work, folks influenced by this work
and the folks doing soda firing (often in wood) have a brighter pallet
than you find elsewhere in the country. Two other folks to look at
are Jeff Oestrich and also Ruggles and Rankin, who have done a lot to
influence other potters working in that aesthetic. Many of Briscoe's
pots are brighter colored. Let's not forget MacKenzie's green and use
of chrome green and Jan and Randy's use of enamels on stoneware (and
Jan has used it on earthenware too.) Not many "brown pots."
Randy's new anagama work is different. It is more brown.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
jeanette harris on fri 21 may 10
>i am more than aware of color in japan. but what we
>were fed in 1959 was sure not color. it was all about
>subtle tones. and american potters tied to that hitching post for
>a long time.
>that was my point.
>as usual, my point is mis-represented.
>mel
I wonder if the desire for color is rooted in the political history
of Japan. Color seemed to be the privilege of the ruling class.
Having multi-colored kimono, painted screens, banners, armor was
limited to the powerful.
Maybe owning colorful pottery was one way the 'lower' classes could possess=
it.
Just a thought.....
--
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http://www.jeanetteharrisblog.blogspot.com
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Lee Love on fri 21 may 10
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, jeanette harris
wrote:
>
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> it.
Maybe in the past. But things have changed since the Meiji Era.
When we walked through the paths between the farmhouses and rice
paddies, we never dug up Mashiko shards. We always dug up blue and
white (previously "privileged class") shards in the fields.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
jeanette harris on fri 21 may 10
>On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, jeanette harris
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe owning colorful pottery was one way the 'lower' classes could pos=
sess
>> it.
>
> Maybe in the past. But things have changed since the Meiji Era.
>When we walked through the paths between the farmhouses and rice
>paddies, we never dug up Mashiko shards. We always dug up blue and
>white (previously "privileged class") shards in the fields.
>--
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
>http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
But could that be pottery that was made in Mashiko for the ruling
classes? Or, possibly blue and white were desired by the
non-privileged classes because it was previously that of the ruling
class and later became accessible to the 'working class'? Something
to ponder.
--
Jeanette Harris in Poulsbo WA
http://www.jeanetteharrisblog.blogspot.com
http://www.sa-clayartists.org go to Members, H heading
http://www.washingtonpotters.org/WPA_Gallery.htm
Elizabeth Priddy on fri 21 may 10
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maintain or compete with like what they like.
The vulgar is always full of color and light.
Street graffiti, stained glass windows in churches, shiney TV.
I have always known that my love of pretty things held me back as an artist=
.
- ePriddy
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Hank Murrow on fri 21 may 10
On May 21, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Mike wrote:
> It really depends on the time period. It is likely that those fields
> housed the upper classes way back when. The entire area where I
> live is
> rice fields now, but 400+ years ago it was the site of many upper
> class
> houses. We found many shards when grading the land, and even one
> completely whole lipstick dish. Commoners sure didn't use that.
>
> During the heyday of Karatsu (concurrent with the Shino Oribe
> traditions), ceramics were for the privileged few. Even down to
> everyday
> ware. The common folk still used wooden bowls, etc. Over the years,
> and
> especially after porcelain was developed in the area, stoneware became
> accessible and used by the common folk, but not porcelain, it was the
> new stoneware.
>
> Think of it like computers, used to be only institutions and
> corporations had them, now everyone does.
Dear Mike;
I was astonished 20 years ago to learn that the Mino potters only
received iron tools since 1580 or so. It was a case of military
'trickledown', potters were near the bottom. The use of iron tools
from 1580 forward is what led to draw rings and hikidashi setoguro in
turn. Fascinating!
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
Lee Love on fri 21 may 10
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Mike wrote:
> The common folk still used wooden bowls, etc. Over the years, and
> especially after porcelain was developed in the area,
The blue and white we found was definitely post-meiji and of recent
origin. Broken on the side of the paths and not dug up out of the
fields. It is like the example Hamada's grandson used of the Satsuma
teapot from his grandfather's time. Hamada was a bit retro, to like
the humble Minagawa teapot from Mashiko.
>stoneware became
> accessible and used by the common folk, but not porcelain, it was the
> new stoneware.
Wood and if you were lucky, lacquer.
Louise Cort's Shigaraki book is excellent. I have her Seto Mino
book out on interlibrary loan right now. It is equally chocked full
of ceramic history. She explains that when glazed ware came to the
Seto region, unglazed stoneware, "yamachawan" ware, was made for local
people. She says that earthenware was used by local folks everywhere
in Japan. Probably not the farmers except for storage, but not for
the nobility either.
> Even in the older Yayoi civilization, all of the pottery was for
> ceremonial use.
In Jomon, it was used for everyday use, like for cooking chowder,
along with its ceremonial use.
> Think of it like computers, used to be only institutions and
> corporations had them, now everyone does.
The Meiji required that common folks take a surname for the first
time. That, along with the growing merchant class that Rikyu
belonged to, brought many things to your average person in Japan.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Mike on sat 22 may 10
It really depends on the time period. It is likely that those fields
housed the upper classes way back when. The entire area where I live is
rice fields now, but 400+ years ago it was the site of many upper class
houses. We found many shards when grading the land, and even one
completely whole lipstick dish. Commoners sure didn't use that.
During the heyday of Karatsu (concurrent with the Shino Oribe
traditions), ceramics were for the privileged few. Even down to everyday
ware. The common folk still used wooden bowls, etc. Over the years, and
especially after porcelain was developed in the area, stoneware became
accessible and used by the common folk, but not porcelain, it was the
new stoneware.
Even in the older Yayoi civilization, all of the pottery was for
ceremonial use.
Think of it like computers, used to be only institutions and
corporations had them, now everyone does.
Mike
in Taku, Japan
http://karatsupots.com
http://karatsupots.blogspot.com
Kiln Building Workshop, Oct. 15 - 22
http://karatsupots.com/workshop2010/workshop2010.html
http://karatsupots-workshop.blogspot.com/
(2010/05/22 2:41), jeanette harris wrote:
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, jeanette harris
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe owning colorful pottery was one way the 'lower' classes could
>>> possess
>>> it.
>>
>> Maybe in the past. But things have changed since the Meiji Era.
>> When we walked through the paths between the farmhouses and rice
>> paddies, we never dug up Mashiko shards. We always dug up blue and
>> white (previously "privileged class") shards in the fields.
>> --
>> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
>> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> But could that be pottery that was made in Mashiko for the ruling
> classes? Or, possibly blue and white were desired by the
> non-privileged classes because it was previously that of the ruling
> class and later became accessible to the 'working class'? Something
> to ponder.
>
>
> --
> Jeanette Harris in Poulsbo WA
>
> http://www.jeanetteharrisblog.blogspot.com
>
> http://www.sa-clayartists.org go to Members, H heading
>
> http://www.washingtonpotters.org/WPA_Gallery.htm
>
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