Edouard Bastarache on sun 20 jun 10
Atlanta Airport
You gotta love this one even if you've never lived in the South. Some of yo=
u
will enjoy this more than others..
Southerners can be so polite!
Atlanta Tower: "Saudi Air 511 -- You are cleared to land on runway 9R."
Saudi Air: "Thank you Atlanta . Acknowledge cleared to land on infidel's
runway 9R - Allah be Praised."
Atlanta Tower: "Iran Air 711 --You are cleared to land westbound on runway
9L."
Iran Air: "Thank you Atlanta ATC. We are cleared to land on infidel's runwa=
y
9L.. -Allah is Great."
Pause....
Saudi Air: ATLANTA TOWER- ATLANTA TOWER !"
Atlanta Tower: "Go ahead Saudi Air 511."
Saudi Air: "YOU HAVE CLEARED BOTH OUR AIRCRAFTS FOR THE SAME RUNWAY GOING I=
N
OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE. INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE!"
Atlanta Tower: "Well bless your hearts. And praise Jesus. Y'all go on ahead
now and tell Allah "hey" for us."
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Earl Brunner on mon 21 jun 10
Infinitely worse than any joke I have ever read here.=3DA0 All the bickerin=
g,=3D
whining, self-rightous complaining ABOUT the jokes.=3D0A=3D0AClayart is DE=
AD i=3D
f we restrict ourselves to=3DA0only=3DA0posting=3DA0what won't offend ANYbo=
dy.=3DA0=3D
Boring and dead, no spirited discussion, no opinions.=3DA0 Fluff.=3DA0 Yuc=
k.=3D
=3D0A=3DA0Earl Brunner=3D0ALas Vegas, NV
May Luk on mon 21 jun 10
Is this "joke" made up by those fake Christians?
Why, slow day in Clay Land?
May
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Edouard Bastarache wr=
ote:
> Atlanta Airport
>
> You gotta love this one even if you've never lived in the South. Some of =
you
> will enjoy this more than others..
> Southerners can be so polite!
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Saudi Air 511 -- You are cleared to land on runway 9R."
>
> Saudi Air: "Thank you Atlanta . Acknowledge cleared to land on infidel's
> runway 9R - Allah be Praised."
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Iran Air 711 --You are cleared to land westbound on runwa=
y
> 9L."
>
> Iran Air: "Thank you Atlanta ATC. We are cleared to land on infidel's run=
way
> 9L.. -Allah is Great."
>
> Pause....
>
> Saudi Air: ATLANTA TOWER- ATLANTA TOWER !"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Go ahead Saudi Air 511."
>
> Saudi Air: "YOU HAVE CLEARED BOTH OUR AIRCRAFTS FOR THE SAME RUNWAY GOING=
IN
> OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE. INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE!"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Well bless your hearts. And praise Jesus. Y'all go on ahe=
ad
> now and tell Allah "hey" for us."
>
--
http://twitter.com/MayLuk
Lori Leary on mon 21 jun 10
Okay, we've had jokes about women, Jews and Muslims. What's next?
Disabled people? African Americans? Mexicans? Little people?
So this kind of posting allowed, while long time member was drummed off
the list for posting info about an artist's work that mentioned Obama.
This list used to be composed of people with critical thinking skills,
but now it seems composed of people that are mean and bigoted. And of
course, some list members will harass me via private email, that's SOP
for people like that.
Calling people on their bigotry is essential. Silence implies
approval. I will not be silent.
Lori L.
Edouard Bastarache wrote:
> Atlanta Airport
>
> You gotta love this one even if you've never lived in the South. Some
> of you
> will enjoy this more than others..
> Southerners can be so polite!
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Saudi Air 511 -- You are cleared to land on runway 9R."
>
> Saudi Air: "Thank you Atlanta . Acknowledge cleared to land on infidel's
> runway 9R - Allah be Praised."
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Iran Air 711 --You are cleared to land westbound on
> runway
> 9L."
>
> Iran Air: "Thank you Atlanta ATC. We are cleared to land on infidel's
> runway
> 9L.. -Allah is Great."
>
> Pause....
>
> Saudi Air: ATLANTA TOWER- ATLANTA TOWER !"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Go ahead Saudi Air 511."
>
> Saudi Air: "YOU HAVE CLEARED BOTH OUR AIRCRAFTS FOR THE SAME RUNWAY
> GOING IN
> OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE. INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE!"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Well bless your hearts. And praise Jesus. Y'all go on
> ahead
> now and tell Allah "hey" for us."
>
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on mon 21 jun 10
Hi Edouard,
I know that you think this is amusing (and you probably have lots of
company), but as someone who lives in NYC, lived through 9/11, and is
still living with the aftermath of 9/11, I can tell you that it isn't.
We should be figuring out a way to live together, or at least put up
with each other. Offensive jokes are not the way to do that.
Lynn
Lynn Goodman Porcelain
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Edouard Bastarache on mon 21 jun 10
Hey threre Lori,
we are used to this phenomenon up here in French Quebec.
Next one will be on us, we are to used to this, specially from
our dear Anglos and Newfies.
Then maybe I will send one in Esperanto !!!
GRIN !!!
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://blogsalbertbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://cerampeintures.blogspot.com/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Leary"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Air Traffic Controller in Atlanta Airport
> Okay, we've had jokes about women, Jews and Muslims. What's next?
> Disabled people? African Americans? Mexicans? Little people?
>
> So this kind of posting allowed, while long time member was drummed off
> the list for posting info about an artist's work that mentioned Obama.
> This list used to be composed of people with critical thinking skills,
> but now it seems composed of people that are mean and bigoted. And of
> course, some list members will harass me via private email, that's SOP
> for people like that.
>
> Calling people on their bigotry is essential. Silence implies
> approval. I will not be silent.
>
> Lori L.
>
> Edouard Bastarache wrote:
>> Atlanta Airport
>>
>> You gotta love this one even if you've never lived in the South. Some
>> of you
>> will enjoy this more than others..
>> Southerners can be so polite!
>>
>> Atlanta Tower: "Saudi Air 511 -- You are cleared to land on runway 9R."
>>
>> Saudi Air: "Thank you Atlanta . Acknowledge cleared to land on infidel's
>> runway 9R - Allah be Praised."
>>
>> Atlanta Tower: "Iran Air 711 --You are cleared to land westbound on
>> runway
>> 9L."
>>
>> Iran Air: "Thank you Atlanta ATC. We are cleared to land on infidel's
>> runway
>> 9L.. -Allah is Great."
>>
>> Pause....
>>
>> Saudi Air: ATLANTA TOWER- ATLANTA TOWER !"
>>
>> Atlanta Tower: "Go ahead Saudi Air 511."
>>
>> Saudi Air: "YOU HAVE CLEARED BOTH OUR AIRCRAFTS FOR THE SAME RUNWAY
>> GOING IN
>> OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE. INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE!=
"
>>
>> Atlanta Tower: "Well bless your hearts. And praise Jesus. Y'all go on
>> ahead
>> now and tell Allah "hey" for us."
>>
>
James Freeman on mon 21 jun 10
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:31 PM, lorialeary@gmail.com
wrote:
What is wrong with you people that think this crap is funny?
>
Lori...
People find funny what they find funny. Everyone's brain is wired
differently. To ask "what is wrong with you people who find X funny?"
is completely judgmental, and no different than asking what is wrong
with you people who are attracted to others of the same sex, or what
is wrong with you people who love Obama, or what is wrong with you
people who don't love Jesus. There is nothing at all "wrong with" any
of them. What you find funny, what you are attracted to, and how you
process cognitive input is a function of your own peculiar neural map.
A fair question might be "Why can't you people see that some folks on
a very public forum might be completely offended by such a joke?" I
personally enjoy some off color jokes. I just make sure I only tell
them to a sympathetic audience. Clayart, en masse, is NOT a
sympathetic audience.
For the record, I did not find the referenced joke funny, but I do
understand how someone of a certain mindset possibly could, in much
the same way that I understand how some folks could believe in, say,
global warming or Keynesian economics. I did, however, cringe when I
read the joke on clayart. While I doubt we have any America-hating
extremists on clayart, who were the targets of the joke, we do have a
number of members of the Muslim faith, and it is easy to see how they
might be properly offended, just as some of our Jewish members were
offended by the circumcised bear joke of last week, and some of our
female members by the ATM jokes of last year.
Also for the record, I agree with Joyce that clayart is an
inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
religious discussion). We are a very broad and diverse group, and it
is illogical to assume homogeneity of thought or disposition.
Respectfully,
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Paul Lewing on mon 21 jun 10
On Jun 21, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Lori Leary wrote:
Calling people on their bigotry is essential. Silence implies
approval.
There's another important subtext to this particular joke, and that is
that we in America are at war with Islam, or at least that we don't
mind a bit if whole plane loads of Muslims kill each other. If the
whole Muslim world really does get convinced that America is at war
with the religion of Islam, we are in big trouble. Osama Bin Laden
has been trying hard for years to convince all of Islam that this is
true and jokes like that one just reinforce his message. It's hard
enough for the US to convince Muslims, particularly Arab Muslims, that
we don't hate all of them, when we've invaded two Muslim countries,
talk about invading two more, always take the side of the Israelis
over the Palestinians, and initially refer to the response to 9/11 as
a "crusade". Jokes like that one have no place anywhere, and
especially not on Clayart.
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
www.paullewingart.com
Lois Wilkins on mon 21 jun 10
Please, please, please... no more jokes on clayart.
No one's laugh is worth any clayarters feeling hurt and sorry they ever
signed up for the list.
Thank you.
Lois
Lois Wilkins
claywork@verizon.net
Lori Leary on mon 21 jun 10
Most Muslims did not find 9/11 funny. DO you even KNOW any Muslims?
Jeff Gieringer wrote:
> But it's OK for them to run planeloads of Americans into 2 of our
> buildings? I'll never figure out the thinking of many Americans.
> We're not supposed to offend anyone, but they can do whatever they
> want with us. Go figure.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
Jeff Gieringer on mon 21 jun 10
"Clayart, en masse, is NOT a sympathetic audience."
You irretrievably nailed that statement. ;^)
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Freeman"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Air Traffic Controller in Atlanta Airport
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:31 PM, lorialeary@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> What is wrong with you people that think this crap is funny?
>>
>
>
>
> Lori...
>
> People find funny what they find funny. Everyone's brain is wired
> differently. To ask "what is wrong with you people who find X funny?"
> is completely judgmental, and no different than asking what is wrong
> with you people who are attracted to others of the same sex, or what
> is wrong with you people who love Obama, or what is wrong with you
> people who don't love Jesus. There is nothing at all "wrong with" any
> of them. What you find funny, what you are attracted to, and how you
> process cognitive input is a function of your own peculiar neural map.
>
> A fair question might be "Why can't you people see that some folks on
> a very public forum might be completely offended by such a joke?" I
> personally enjoy some off color jokes. I just make sure I only tell
> them to a sympathetic audience. Clayart, en masse, is NOT a
> sympathetic audience.
>
> For the record, I did not find the referenced joke funny, but I do
> understand how someone of a certain mindset possibly could, in much
> the same way that I understand how some folks could believe in, say,
> global warming or Keynesian economics. I did, however, cringe when I
> read the joke on clayart. While I doubt we have any America-hating
> extremists on clayart, who were the targets of the joke, we do have a
> number of members of the Muslim faith, and it is easy to see how they
> might be properly offended, just as some of our Jewish members were
> offended by the circumcised bear joke of last week, and some of our
> female members by the ATM jokes of last year.
>
> Also for the record, I agree with Joyce that clayart is an
> inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
> religious discussion). We are a very broad and diverse group, and it
> is illogical to assume homogeneity of thought or disposition.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> ...James
>
> James Freeman
>
> "All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
> should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
> -Michel de Montaigne
>
> http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
> http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
>
James Freeman on mon 21 jun 10
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>> inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
>> religious discussion). We are a very broad and diverse group, and it
>
>
> James, As my Ol' Man used to say, "You are the dog that thinks his
> shit don't stink, but your farts give you away." You are blinded by
> your biases. The sorriest aspect of it is, that you are totally
> unaware that they are there.
>
> You raise your authoritarian politics knowing you can freely share
> them on Clayart and know it will only end when an unbiased person
> calls you on it.
>
> You Coward.
>
> Sincerely,
> Lee
>
Thank you so much for the kind words, Lee. To be honest, I cannot
figure out where they came from nor what triggered them, nor even what
you can possibly be referring to, nor can I make much sense of them.
I must just be stupid. Last year you informed me on the list that my
work is no good. Now you tell me that I am a coward, an authoritarian,
biased, and probably a few more things I missed. Thank you SO much
for pointing these things out to me. Without you, I might have gone
on believing that I was a decent person. Now, thanks to you, I know
that I am a piece of sh*t.
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Jeff Gieringer on mon 21 jun 10
I guess in this troubled day and time, a sense of humor is just too much to
ask of many people. I know one thing for sure, when Ed and I go, we're
going to go with a smile on our faces and be happy people. I really truly
feel sorry for people that need to go look under their wedging tables and
wheel for a sense of humor. If you can't smile, you're going to live a
disappointing life.
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky - Who has endured many southern and hick jokes, and smile a=
t
each one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lorialeary@gmail.com"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Air Traffic Controller in Atlanta Airport
> Equal opportunity offensiveness. I guess that makes it okay. What is
> wrong with you people that think this crap is funny?
>
> Lori L.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Edouard Bastarache"
> Date: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:02 pm
> Subject: Air Traffic Controller in Atlanta Airport
> To:
>
> Atlanta Airport
>
> You gotta love this one even if you've never lived in the South. Some of
> you
> will enjoy this more than others..
> Southerners can be so polite!
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Saudi Air 511 -- You are cleared to land on runway 9R."
>
> Saudi Air: "Thank you Atlanta . Acknowledge cleared to land on infidel's
> runway 9R - Allah be Praised."
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Iran Air 711 --You are cleared to land westbound on runwa=
y
> 9L."
>
> Iran Air: "Thank you Atlanta ATC. We are cleared to land on infidel's
> runway
> 9L.. -Allah is Great."
>
> Pause....
>
> Saudi Air: ATLANTA TOWER- ATLANTA TOWER !"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Go ahead Saudi Air 511."
>
> Saudi Air: "YOU HAVE CLEARED BOTH OUR AIRCRAFTS FOR THE SAME RUNWAY GOING
> IN
> OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. WE ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE. INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE!"
>
> Atlanta Tower: "Well bless your hearts. And praise Jesus. Y'all go on
> ahead
> now and tell Allah "hey" for us."
>
Steve Slatin on tue 22 jun 10
Edouard --
Offensive jokes with Quebecois as the butt
are no more acceptable than jokes with other
identifiable minorities as the butt.
Steve Slatin --
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Edouard Bastarache wrote:
> Hey threre Lori,
>
> we are used to this phenomenon up here in French Quebec.
> Next one will be on us, we are to used to this, specially
> from
> our dear Anglos and Newfies.
>
> Then maybe I will send one in Esperanto !!!
> GRIN !!!
>
> Gis,
>
> Edouard Bastarache
Taylor Hendrix on tue 22 jun 10
Self-censorship is an awesome skill to have, Eddie, you crazy Quibecer.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Edouard Bastarache wr=
ote:
> Atlanta Airport
>
...
Tony Ferguson on tue 22 jun 10
Maybe the solution is to post a link to your joke that is posted on your ow=
=3D
n site, blog, facebook, etc.=3DA0 If you post to facebook, anyone can comme=
nt=3D
, discuss, etc.=3DA0 This way the energy can be directed to the poster and =
ac=3D
countability/responsibility and its off of clayart.=3DA0=3D20
I think its best to leave the jokes off clayart.=3DA0 We don't need clayart=
b=3D
eing flagged as hate crime speech and if you think I am joking do a search =
=3D
on the new law.=3DA0 There is enough hurt feelings and we also don't know w=
ho=3D
could be turned off by and never join clayart over misunderstanding, offen=
=3D
se, etc.
Cheers,
Tony Ferguson
Artist/Educator...Clay, Web, Photo, Video, Digital
...where the sky meets the lake...=3D20
http://www.tonyferguson.net
Workshops, Websites, Film making
& Online Digital Photography Training
=3DA0
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Lois Wilkins wrote:
From: Lois Wilkins
Subject: Re: Air Traffic Controller in Atlanta Airport
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 6:14 PM
Please, please, please...=3DA0 no more jokes on clayart.
No one's laugh is worth any clayarters feeling hurt and sorry they ever
signed up for the list.
Thank you.
Lois
Lois Wilkins
claywork@verizon.net
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Lee Love on tue 22 jun 10
How could anybody think that only muslims would fly to America on
Saudi or Iran Air. Chances are, most folks would be American.
(Just like most folks flying JAL into the USA aren't Japanese.) How
funny is that?
Folks need to get a passport and travel a little.
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Pete Newman on tue 22 jun 10
Really.....???A Joke... it was just that a joke.... Ok so maybe it
offended some that may have read it...
on the flip side it may give some a giggle for a minute... As a
society have we given up being different?
everyone has to like ME!!!!!
But really the joke did not offend me as I am well aware that on every
keyboard there is a delete key....
What does offend me is the banter one emails discussing how and how
not offense and political the joke was.....
Delete it and move on. Not everyone needs to chime in thier two cents.
FOCUS PEOPLE Clayart remember about the clay and art.... FOCUS...
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Taylor Hendrix wro=
te:
> Self-censorship is an awesome skill to have, Eddie, you crazy Quibecer.
>
> Taylor, in Rockport TX
> wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
> http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
> http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Edouard Bastarache =
wrote:
>> Atlanta Airport
>>
> ...
>
Tara Mooney on tue 22 jun 10
Exactly what I was thinking.
I love jokes and I don't mind them being on clayart.
I am a blonde woman and I laugh hard at dumb blonde jokes.
I laugh at ethnic jokes too.
BUT this joke is ultimately about death. It is not a religious joke.
It is not a ethnic joke. It is a death joke.
Maybe I am biased or sensitive because my ex is an airline captain
who flies in and out of ATL often. I do too.
Like Lee said, the people on those planes are Americans.
Tara
On Jun 22, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Lee Love wrote:
> How could anybody think that only muslims would fly to America on
> Saudi or Iran Air. Chances are, most folks would be American.
> (Just like most folks flying JAL into the USA aren't Japanese.) How
> funny is that?
>
> Folks need to get a passport and travel a little.
>
>
> --
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> =3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. =3D
Feel
> the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Carl Finch on tue 22 jun 10
At 03:30 PM 6/21/2010, James Freeman wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Lee Love wrote:
>
> >> inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
> >> religious discussion). We are a very broad and diverse group, and it
> >
>
> >
> > James, As my Ol' Man used to say, "You are the dog that thinks his
> > shit don't stink, but your farts give you away." You are blinded by
> > your biases. The sorriest aspect of it is, that you are totally
> > unaware that they are there.
> >
> > You raise your authoritarian politics knowing you can freely share
> > them on Clayart and know it will only end when an unbiased person
> > calls you on it.
> >
> > You Coward.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Lee
>
>Thank you so much for the kind words, Lee. To be honest, I cannot
>figure out where they came from nor what triggered them, nor even what
>you can possibly be referring to, nor can I make much sense of them.
>I must just be stupid. Last year you informed me on the list that my
>work is no good. Now you tell me that I am a coward, an authoritarian,
>biased, and probably a few more things I missed. Thank you SO much
>for pointing these things out to me. Without you, I might have gone
>on believing that I was a decent person. Now, thanks to you, I know
>that I am a piece of sh*t.
James, I can't really speak for Lee Love (and for some reason I have
not received his post to which you've responded--nor has it appeared
in the Clayart archive), but I think I see what may have prompted his
irritation.
James, you wrote:
>Also for the record, I agree with Joyce that clayart is an
>inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
>religious discussion).
But just ahead of that you'd written:
>For the record, I did not find the referenced joke funny, but I do
>understand how someone of a certain mindset possibly could, in much
>the same way that I understand how some folks could believe in, say,
>global warming or Keynesian economics.
Or in the Tooth Fairy, right?!
C'mon James, admit it. That was a dig at those who are at odds with
your own political "beliefs."
--Carl Finch
Tara Mooney on tue 22 jun 10
Bob,
Really? Ok.
The joke appeared so long ago I don't even remember what it said.
I just thought it was a dumb joke, lacking any wit or wisdom,
but now I really don't get it.
It's probably the blonde thing.
Another note, a friend of mine's father is a retired airline capt.
He is also a Brit, guess who he flew for? Saudi Air. As do many Brits.
Not that I think that makes any difference, of course.
I like jokes.
TM
On Jun 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Bob Seele wrote:
> Gosh,
>
> You all missed what the joke said in plain sight.
>
> If one plane is landing on runway 9L,
> and the other plane is landing on runway 9R,
> They will never, never crash.
> No one will die.
> Both runways run from west to east.
> They are parallel, side by side.
> Unless one plane is flying the wrong way.
>
> Its a joke.
> No real plane.
>
> I miss the jokes.
>
>
> bs
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tara Mooney wrote:
>
> BUT this joke is ultimately about death. It is not a religious joke.
> It is not a ethnic joke. It is a death joke.
>
> A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
>
Wendy Peck on tue 22 jun 10
Everything in me is saying don't do it, but the dismissals of those who =3D
were offended by this joke are just too simplistic and dictatorial to =3D
leave alone.=3D20
I was not "offended" by the joke. My stomach dropped as I read it. A =3D
truly viceral reaction, and I'm pretty sure that should not be what =3D
happens when I am just rolling down pottery topics paying half =3D
attention.=3D20
The joke made me cringe. The reaction and rationalization hurts my =3D
intellect. Example: "Nobody said they were terrorists." Well, duh, =3D
that's the problem. Of course, that would have ruined the joke (and =3D
taken away the offensive nature).=3D20
But the real brain number in all of this is that nobody has commented on =
=3D
the real brunt of the joke. Sure we all think it belittles those "(God =3D
forbid) non-Christian foreigners," but look again. A Christian, =3D
professionally charged with the responsibility to keep planes from =3D
crashing, deliberately ran two planes into each other ... in the name of =
=3D
Jesus. My Christian understanding has a problem with this concept, =3D
though somehow I suspect we deserve it.=3D20
Wendy
John Rodgers on tue 22 jun 10
Right on!
John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
On 6/22/2010 11:53 AM, Pete Newman wrote:
> Really.....???A Joke... it was just that a joke.... Ok so maybe it
> offended some that may have read it...
> on the flip side it may give some a giggle for a minute... As a
> society have we given up being different?
> everyone has to like ME!!!!!
> But really the joke did not offend me as I am well aware that on every
> keyboard there is a delete key....
>
> What does offend me is the banter one emails discussing how and how
> not offense and political the joke was.....
> Delete it and move on. Not everyone needs to chime in thier two cents.
>
>
> FOCUS PEOPLE Clayart remember about the clay and art.... FOCUS...
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Taylor Hendrix w=
rote:
>
>> Self-censorship is an awesome skill to have, Eddie, you crazy Quibecer.
>>
>> Taylor, in Rockport TX
>> wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
>> http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
>> http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Edouard Bastarache =
wrote:
>>
>>> Atlanta Airport
>>>
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>
>
Bob Seele on tue 22 jun 10
Gosh,
You all missed what the joke said in plain sight.
If one plane is landing on runway 9L,
and the other plane is landing on runway 9R,
They will never, never crash.
No one will die.
Both runways run from west to east.
They are parallel, side by side.
Unless one plane is flying the wrong way.
Its a joke.
No real plane.
I miss the jokes.
bs
On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tara Mooney wrote:
BUT this joke is ultimately about death. It is not a religious joke.
It is not a ethnic joke. It is a death joke.
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
Taylor Hendrix on tue 22 jun 10
Hey Earl,
Please lead us in a discussion of this joke. It's suck a deep and
profound one, I must have missed something. Any other-righteous folks
want to chime in?
Oh wait a second, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Earl Brunner w=
=3D
rote:
> Infinitely worse than any joke I have ever read here.=3DC2=3DA0 All the b=
icke=3D
ring, whining, self-rightous complaining ABOUT the jokes.
>
> Clayart is DEAD if we restrict ourselves to=3DC2=3DA0only=3DC2=3DA0postin=
g=3DC2=3DA0w=3D
hat won't offend ANYbody.=3DC2=3DA0 Boring and dead, no spirited discussion=
, no=3D
opinions.=3DC2=3DA0 Fluff.=3DC2=3DA0 Yuck.
> =3DC2=3DA0Earl Brunner
> Las Vegas, NV
>
Lee Love on tue 22 jun 10
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Taylor Hendrix wro=
=3D
te:
>
> Oh wait a second, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
Best to take it private. ;^)
--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
James Freeman on tue 22 jun 10
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Carl Finch wrote:
> James, you wrote:
>
>> Also for the record, I agree with Joyce that clayart is an
>> inappropriate venue for off color humor (along with political and
>> religious discussion).
>
> But just ahead of that you'd written:
>
>> For the record, I did not find the referenced joke funny, but I do
>> understand how someone of a certain mindset possibly could, in much
>> the same way that I understand how some folks could believe in, say,
>> global warming or Keynesian economics.
>
> Or in the Tooth Fairy, right?!
>
> C'mon James, admit it. That was a dig at those who are at odds with
> your own political "beliefs."
>
> --Carl Finch
>
Carl...
I debated whether I should respond to your question. Against my
better judgment, I will reply.
Your hypothesis is interesting, but I think it fails on a couple of levels.
If indeed my dear friend Lee was objecting to the paragraph wherein
you perceived an affront, then he would have quoted it. He did not.
He clearly replied to my statement "inappropriate venue for off color
humor (along with political and religious discussion). We are a very
broad and diverse group, and it". This is the precise text with which
he prefaced his remarks.
Tooth Fairy? No, that's not a particularly apt example of what I was
trying to illustrate. I tried to find ready examples of things upon
which intelligent, reasonable folks reach vastly different
conclusions. At the risk of offending tooth fairy-ites, I don't think
too many intelligent folk disagree about the tooth fairy. Lots of
intelligent folk do disagree about humor, global warming, and
Keynesian economics. I originally had religion on the list, but
deleted it as possibly too incendiary.
A dig at those who are at odds with my political beliefs? It could
only be a dig if I had said something negative, which I did not.
A number of people understood very clearly the two main points of my
post. A few did not. Perhaps I am not a good communicator, for which
I apologize.
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice. I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Jennifer Boyer on tue 22 jun 10
I seem to remember that the Listserv was set up to talk about clay topics
and that non clay topics were discouraged or even not allowed at all. I've
never understood why the jokes have been allowed through all this time.
People get reprimanded for political/religious discussion, but when it come=
=3D
s
in the form of a joke, it appears to sail through just fine. I'm for leavin=
=3D
g
the jokes out of our clay discussion. Mainly because they take the group SO
FAR AWAY FROM CLAY!! Just ditch the jokes. Get back to clay.....it's too
divisive to bring up political/ethnic/religious/racial issues in a group as
diverse as ours....EVEN in the form of jokes. Witness the 28 or so replies
to it....too divisive, not worth it...
Just mho....
Jennifer
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Lee Love wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Taylor Hendrix
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh wait a second, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
>
> Best to take it private. ;^)
>
> --
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> =3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
> the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
>
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