Dana & Chris Trabka on tue 13 jul 10
Ron,
A number of years ago the West Michigan Potters Guild had Diana Pancioli
from Eastern Michigan University
have a one day workshop discussing "a good pot". It was a wonderful
experience. I learned more that day
than I had learned in just reading text books, the internet, and looking at
images.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Dana & Chris Trabka"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Standards (was Pricing. Can we talk?)
> Hi Chris,
>
> Perhaps a first step would be to find out how many here on ClayArt feel
> the same way - sort of a core group.
>
> Perhaps an article for a magazine on how those of us - who think this is
> important - build quality into our pots.
>
> Do any potters advertise their craftsmanship in their show booths? If so
> what do they say?
>
> I know you can't impose rules on potters but that is no reason why
> persuasion should not be used - especially when it is in the best
> interest of potters to do it right.
>
> I've changes the subject line to standards by the way.
>
> RR
>
> Quoting Dana & Chris Trabka :
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dana & Chris Trabka"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pricing. Can we talk?
>>
>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> I too believe that it necessary to be able to create a pot that display=
s
>>> sound craftsmanship.
>>> A pot suited to its purpose. The apprentice/master was good model for
>>> learning the craft of making good sound pots.
>>>
>>> Today it is the community center, the small studios that teach others
>>> how
>>> to make pots and the schools that are
>>> the main venue for learning the craft of pottery. However, they are not
>>> all the same. Some you learn how to
>>> hand build only, some you might get to know about glaze formulation and
>>> clay-glaze fit.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a way where the public would know what level o=
f
>>> expertise does the venue offer.
>>> Yes there are those places were it is obvious (decorate bisqued pieces
>>> with supplied glazes). But, how
>>> does Mary Q Public find out more about a place without know the
>>> questions
>>> to ask?
>>>
>>> This is an opportunity for Clay Art/Ceramics Monthly/The Potters
>>> Council/Schools ... to step in and provide a service
>>> to the community and the public.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Roy"
>>>
>>>> If we were to support the idea of good craftsmanship here on clayart -
>>>> as a group - so that others would understand how important it is -
>>>> that would help.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have brought the subject up many times on this list and have waited
>>>> - mostly in vain - for others to second the motion.
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Jeff Jeff on tue 13 jul 10
Hey Ron,
In the US we have something called the Underwriters Laboratory. Perhaps we
could develop a system of certification thru the Potter's Council. ("PC
Approved" or something?) And then issue a plaque that the person can show a=
t
their place of business or booth?
Perhaps you can write up a series of requirements and then charge a small
fee for anyone who seeks certification? Upon successful completion you then
give them the certificate?
As well we could introduce the idea to fair promoters and encourage them to
ADVERTISE the fact that they have "certified" potters in their show.
a few ideas anyway...
Jeff Longtin
Minneapolis
In a message dated 7/13/2010 1:19:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ronroy@CA.INTER.NET writes:
Hi Chris,
Perhaps a first step would be to find out how many here on ClayArt
feel the same way - sort of a core group.
Perhaps an article for a magazine on how those of us - who think this
is important - build quality into our pots.
Do any potters advertise their craftsmanship in their show booths? If
so what do they say?
I know you can't impose rules on potters but that is no reason why
persuasion should not be used - especially when it is in the best
interest of potters to do it right.
I've changes the subject line to standards by the way.
RR
Quoting Dana & Chris Trabka :
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana & Chris Trabka"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Pricing. Can we talk?
>
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I too believe that it necessary to be able to create a pot that display=
s
>> sound craftsmanship.
>> A pot suited to its purpose. The apprentice/master was good model for
>> learning the craft of making good sound pots.
>>
>> Today it is the community center, the small studios that teach others
how
>> to make pots and the schools that are
>> the main venue for learning the craft of pottery. However, they are not
>> all the same. Some you learn how to
>> hand build only, some you might get to know about glaze formulation and
>> clay-glaze fit.
>>
>> It would be nice to have a way where the public would know what level
of
>> expertise does the venue offer.
>> Yes there are those places were it is obvious (decorate bisqued pieces
>> with supplied glazes). But, how
>> does Mary Q Public find out more about a place without know the
questions
>> to ask?
>>
>> This is an opportunity for Clay Art/Ceramics Monthly/The Potters
>> Council/Schools ... to step in and provide a service
>> to the community and the public.
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Roy"
>>
>>> If we were to support the idea of good craftsmanship here on clayart -
>>> as a group - so that others would understand how important it is -
>>> that would help.
>>
>>
>>> I have brought the subject up many times on this list and have waited
>>> - mostly in vain - for others to second the motion.
>>
>
Ron Roy on tue 13 jul 10
Hi Chris,
Perhaps a first step would be to find out how many here on ClayArt
feel the same way - sort of a core group.
Perhaps an article for a magazine on how those of us - who think this
is important - build quality into our pots.
Do any potters advertise their craftsmanship in their show booths? If
so what do they say?
I know you can't impose rules on potters but that is no reason why
persuasion should not be used - especially when it is in the best
interest of potters to do it right.
I've changes the subject line to standards by the way.
RR
Quoting Dana & Chris Trabka :
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana & Chris Trabka"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Pricing. Can we talk?
>
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I too believe that it necessary to be able to create a pot that displays
>> sound craftsmanship.
>> A pot suited to its purpose. The apprentice/master was good model for
>> learning the craft of making good sound pots.
>>
>> Today it is the community center, the small studios that teach others ho=
w
>> to make pots and the schools that are
>> the main venue for learning the craft of pottery. However, they are not
>> all the same. Some you learn how to
>> hand build only, some you might get to know about glaze formulation and
>> clay-glaze fit.
>>
>> It would be nice to have a way where the public would know what level of
>> expertise does the venue offer.
>> Yes there are those places were it is obvious (decorate bisqued pieces
>> with supplied glazes). But, how
>> does Mary Q Public find out more about a place without know the question=
s
>> to ask?
>>
>> This is an opportunity for Clay Art/Ceramics Monthly/The Potters
>> Council/Schools ... to step in and provide a service
>> to the community and the public.
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Roy"
>>
>>> If we were to support the idea of good craftsmanship here on clayart -
>>> as a group - so that others would understand how important it is -
>>> that would help.
>>
>>
>>> I have brought the subject up many times on this list and have waited
>>> - mostly in vain - for others to second the motion.
>>
>
Ron Roy on wed 14 jul 10
Hi Jeff,
I think it would be a good selling point but how would you know the
latest pots would pass the test. Unless you have some way of keeping
everyone honest it would not mean much.
I was a board member for the Ontario Clay and Glass Association for
about a dozen years - the subject came up a number of times - mainly
about introducing some tough requirements for getting into shows. Lots
of resentment surfaced and very hard to get a consensus - I would
think it would be much tougher in the US.
I do think we should keep talking about it - there are many who do
have standards and try hard to do a good job - even though it costs
them in time and effort.
In the end it will not cost more to do the job right - less returned
pots and better customer relations.
RR
Quoting Jeff Jeff :
> Hey Ron,
>
> In the US we have something called the Underwriters Laboratory. Perhaps w=
e
> could develop a system of certification thru the Potter's Council. ("PC
> Approved" or something?) And then issue a plaque that the person can show=
at
> their place of business or booth?
>
> Perhaps you can write up a series of requirements and then charge a small
> fee for anyone who seeks certification? Upon successful completion you th=
en
> give them the certificate?
>
> As well we could introduce the idea to fair promoters and encourage them =
to
> ADVERTISE the fact that they have "certified" potters in their show.
>
> a few ideas anyway...
>
> Jeff Longtin
> Minneapolis
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2010 1:19:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> ronroy@CA.INTER.NET writes:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Perhaps a first step would be to find out how many here on ClayArt
> feel the same way - sort of a core group.
>
> Perhaps an article for a magazine on how those of us - who think this
> is important - build quality into our pots.
>
> Do any potters advertise their craftsmanship in their show booths? If
> so what do they say?
>
> I know you can't impose rules on potters but that is no reason why
> persuasion should not be used - especially when it is in the best
> interest of potters to do it right.
>
> I've changes the subject line to standards by the way.
>
> RR
>
> Quoting Dana & Chris Trabka :
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dana & Chris Trabka"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pricing. Can we talk?
>>
>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> I too believe that it necessary to be able to create a pot that displa=
ys
>>> sound craftsmanship.
>>> A pot suited to its purpose. The apprentice/master was good model for
>>> learning the craft of making good sound pots.
>>>
>>> Today it is the community center, the small studios that teach others
> how
>>> to make pots and the schools that are
>>> the main venue for learning the craft of pottery. However, they are no=
t
>>> all the same. Some you learn how to
>>> hand build only, some you might get to know about glaze formulation an=
d
>>> clay-glaze fit.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a way where the public would know what level
> of
>>> expertise does the venue offer.
>>> Yes there are those places were it is obvious (decorate bisqued pieces
>>> with supplied glazes). But, how
>>> does Mary Q Public find out more about a place without know the
> questions
>>> to ask?
>>>
>>> This is an opportunity for Clay Art/Ceramics Monthly/The Potters
>>> Council/Schools ... to step in and provide a service
>>> to the community and the public.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Roy"
>>>
>>>> If we were to support the idea of good craftsmanship here on clayart =
-
>>>> as a group - so that others would understand how important it is -
>>>> that would help.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have brought the subject up many times on this list and have waited
>>>> - mostly in vain - for others to second the motion.
>>>
>>
>
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