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William & Susan Schran User on thu 15 jul 10


I'd like to share an inexpensive way to ball mill small quantities of
materials using your wheel.

The following was posted to our crystalline glaze forum by French artist
Alain Fichot who posted the video on his blog. It's narrated in French, but
the video shows want you need to know.

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ns-d-email>

Bill

--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com

jonathan byler on thu 15 jul 10


those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:

> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echantil=
lo

Eric Hansen on thu 15 jul 10


I'm on board with this one. Perfect for grinding those ash glazes, zinc
glazes, wollastonite glazes, or making terra sig!!!

As far as the suggestion of grinding rocks in a kitchen garbage disposal
"insinkerator" (only on ClayArt) - - well - -

- h -

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User <
wschran@cox.net> wrote:

> I'd like to share an inexpensive way to ball mill small quantities of
> materials using your wheel.
>
> The following was posted to our crystalline glaze forum by French artist
> Alain Fichot who posted the video on his blog. It's narrated in French, b=
ut
> the video shows want you need to know.
>
> <
> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echantil=
lo
> ns-d-email>
>
> Bill
>
> --
> William "Bill" Schran
> wschran@cox.net
> wschran@nvcc.edu
> http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
>



--
Eric Alan Hansen
Stonehouse Studio Pottery
Alexandria, Virginia
americanpotter.blogspot.com
thesuddenschool.blogspot.com
hansencookbook.blogspot.com
"To me, human life in all its forms, individual and aggregate, is a
perpetual wonder: the flora of the earth and sea is full of beauty and of
mystery which seeks science to understand; the fauna of land and ocean is
not less wonderful; the world which holds them both, and the great universe
that folds it in on everyside, are still more wonderful, complex, and
attractive to the contemplating mind." - Theodore Parker, minister,
transcendentalist, abolitionist (1810-1860)

Louis Katz on thu 15 jul 10


Wow that really is beautiful. But is he really grinding his glaze in wine=
=3D
?

I will probably use that technique.=3D20

The formula for the operating speed of a ball mill according to Cardew is=
=3D

64-87% of 54.19 / square root of the radius of the jar in feet.
or 64-87% of 29.923/ square root of the radius in meters.

louiskatz.net

phil on thu 15 jul 10


Hi Jonathan, all...



Wow! - Very nice method..!


One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a higher
Cage.


Lovely!


I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the Wheel can
be made to do with various accessories.


Phil
Lv

----- Original Message -----
From: "jonathan byler"


> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>
>> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echanti=
llo

Roland Beevor on mon 19 jul 10


OK, the jar on a wheel thing is neat, but look at this!

http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/07/02/5-animations-de-marche=
s-de-potiers

How do they do that, a steel frame covered in fibre, fired with..?

Looks fun

Roly

On 16/07/2010 02:05, phil wrote:
> Hi Jonathan, all...
>
>
>
> Wow! - Very nice method..!
>
>
> One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a
> higher
> Cage.
>
>
> Lovely!
>
>
> I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the
> Wheel can
> be made to do with various accessories.
>
>
> Phil
> Lv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jonathan byler"
>
>
>> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echant=
illo
>>>
>
>

--
Roland Beevor
Christison Particle Technologies Ltd
Albany Road
Gateshead
NE8 3AT
UK

+44 191 478 8120

Marcia Selsor on mon 19 jul 10


I'll have to search for it, but I had a photo of a mule driven gringer =3D
more like a grist mill than a ball mill but it was/is used for frits in =3D
Uzbekistan, Central Asia.
Marcia
On Jul 19, 2010, at 5:42 AM, Roland Beevor wrote:

> OK, the jar on a wheel thing is neat, but look at this!
>=3D20
> =3D
http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/07/02/5-animations-de-march=
=3D
es-de-potiers
>=3D20
> How do they do that, a steel frame covered in fibre, fired with..?
>=3D20
> Looks fun
>=3D20
> Roly
>=3D20
> On 16/07/2010 02:05, phil wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan, all...
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> Wow! - Very nice method..!
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a
>> higher
>> Cage.
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> Lovely!
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the
>> Wheel can
>> be made to do with various accessories.
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>> Phil
>> Lv
>>=3D20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jonathan byler"
>>=3D20
>>=3D20
>>> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>>>=3D20
>>>> =3D
http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echantill=
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>=3D20
> --
> Roland Beevor
> Christison Particle Technologies Ltd
> Albany Road
> Gateshead
> NE8 3AT
> UK
>=3D20
> +44 191 478 8120
>=3D20

Marcia Selsor
http://www.marciaselsor.com

Fabienne McMillan on mon 19 jul 10


... fired with oil burners, the type used to heat up a home, like a
furnace.

The best translation I can furnish. When I was a kid we had one of
those in the kitchen to heat the entire house :)

Fabienne

"We never touch people so lightly that we do not leave a trace." ~
Peggy Tabor Millin

On Jul 19, 2010, at 5:42 AM, Roland Beevor wrote:

> OK, the jar on a wheel thing is neat, but look at this!
>
> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/07/02/5-animations-de-marc=
hes-de-potiers
>
> How do they do that, a steel frame covered in fibre, fired with..?
>
> Looks fun
>
> Roly
> --
> Roland Beevor
> Christison Particle Technologies Ltd
> Albany Road
> Gateshead
> NE8 3AT
> UK
>
> +44 191 478 8120

Johanna San Inocencio on mon 19 jul 10


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the caption translates to "Firing a white mountain dragon. First fiber
oven fired with central heating oil burners."

Johanna
"A man is as free as he chooses to make himself,
never an atom freer."
The Raven, Lillith by George MacDonald


On 7/19/2010 5:42 AM, Roland Beevor wrote:
> OK, the jar on a wheel thing is neat, but look at this!
>
> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/07/02/5-animations-de-marc=
hes-de-potiers
>
>
> How do they do that, a steel frame covered in fibre, fired with..?
>
> Looks fun
>
> Roly
>
> On 16/07/2010 02:05, phil wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan, all...
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! - Very nice method..!
>>
>>
>> One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a
>> higher
>> Cage.
>>
>>
>> Lovely!
>>
>>
>> I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the
>> Wheel can
>> be made to do with various accessories.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>> Lv
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jonathan byler"
>>
>>
>>> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echan=
tillo
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Roland Beevor
> Christison Particle Technologies Ltd
> Albany Road
> Gateshead
> NE8 3AT
> UK
>
> +44 191 478 8120
>
>
>
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Lee Love on mon 19 jul 10


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Fabienne McMillan wrote:
> ... fired with oil burners, the type used to heat up a home, like a
> furnace.
>
> The best translation I can furnish. =3DA0When I was a kid we had one of
> those in the kitchen to heat the entire house :)

My friend English friend, Roy Martin, in Kasama, Japan used heater
burners to fire his small oil kiln. He used compressed air oil
burners to fire his large kiln.

--
Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/

=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi

Eric Hansen on wed 21 jul 10


I went to the store and bought two large round plastic jars that held
multiple pounds of salted peanuts, the mayonnaise jars looked good too, but
we don't eat that stuff. Moved the peanuts to another container. Used a
single landscape timber 2-3 foot in length across the Brent's splash pan an=
d
began to grind clay/ash glaze. Easy to grind, even when straight form the
ground & fire pit. Oh the pebbles were mostly 1/2" quartzite rounds, what w=
e
have in our dirt.
h a n s e n

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, phil wrote:

> Hi Jonathan, all...
>
>
>
> Wow! - Very nice method..!
>
>
> One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a highe=
r
> Cage.
>
>
> Lovely!
>
>
> I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the Wheel c=
an
> be made to do with various accessories.
>
>
> Phil
> Lv
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jonathan byler"
>
>
> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>>
>>
>>> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echant=
illo
>>>
>>


--
Eric Alan Hansen
Stonehouse Studio Pottery
Alexandria, Virginia
americanpotter.blogspot.com
thesuddenschool.blogspot.com
hansencookbook.blogspot.com
"To me, human life in all its forms, individual and aggregate, is a
perpetual wonder: the flora of the earth and sea is full of beauty and of
mystery which seeks science to understand; the fauna of land and ocean is
not less wonderful; the world which holds them both, and the great universe
that folds it in on everyside, are still more wonderful, complex, and
attractive to the contemplating mind." - Theodore Parker, minister,
transcendentalist, abolitionist (1810-1860)

phil on thu 22 jul 10


Hi Eric,



You couldda just left the Peanuts in 'em and made Ball Mill Peanut Butter!

Make sure to get all those 'pellets' out though once done, or you could
break-a-Tooth or somthin'...


Phil
Lv

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Hansen"

>I went to the store and bought two large round plastic jars that held
> multiple pounds of salted peanuts, the mayonnaise jars looked good too,
> but
> we don't eat that stuff. Moved the peanuts to another container. Used a
> single landscape timber 2-3 foot in length across the Brent's splash pan
> and
> began to grind clay/ash glaze. Easy to grind, even when straight form the
> ground & fire pit. Oh the pebbles were mostly 1/2" quartzite rounds, what
> we
> have in our dirt.
> h a n s e n

Eric Hansen on fri 23 jul 10


So for grinding the clay straight out of the ground (I have a small clay pi=
t
in the backyard) and ashes direct from the fire pit, it went through a 40
mesh screen and straight onto the pots. Then I began poking around in the
studio for something a little lower-firing and came up with a couple of bag=
s
of red clay I dug up on the hill we used to live on in Eugene, Oregon. In
that case I used the once-washed and sifted wood ash & the Oregon red. I ha=
d
to grind the remains and sludge for up to several hours, and still was left
with several ounces of black hematite sand, up to 10 mesh. It was
interesting to me because of the similarity to red clay I dug in Kansas,
which also had the same hematite sand. The Oregon outcropping had quite a
bit of bentonite also. The white clay and the red clay did not mix in the
wild, but marbled together. They were like oil and water. I imagine both to
be reside of some kind of estuary, or bay. My hypothesis at this point is
that any kind of hydro-thermally altered stone decays into clay, and
sedimentary processes allow the iron to oxidize, turning it red.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Eric Hansen
wrote:

> I went to the store and bought two large round plastic jars that held
> multiple pounds of salted peanuts, the mayonnaise jars looked good too, b=
ut
> we don't eat that stuff. Moved the peanuts to another container. Used a
> single landscape timber 2-3 foot in length across the Brent's splash pan =
and
> began to grind clay/ash glaze. Easy to grind, even when straight form the
> ground & fire pit. Oh the pebbles were mostly 1/2" quartzite rounds, what=
we
> have in our dirt.
> h a n s e n
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, phil wrote:
>
>> Hi Jonathan, all...
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! - Very nice method..!
>>
>>
>> One could do one Large or two medium Large Jars also, if allowing a high=
er
>> Cage.
>>
>>
>> Lovely!
>>
>>
>> I like procedures in addition to Thorwing and Trimming, which the Wheel
>> can
>> be made to do with various accessories.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>> Lv
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jonathan byler"
>>
>>
>> those sneaky frenchmen! pretty clever. thanks for sharing.
>>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:21 AM, William & Susan Schran User wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.alainfichot.com/blog/index.php?2010/06/20/3-broyage-d-echan=
tillo
>>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Eric Alan Hansen
> Stonehouse Studio Pottery
> Alexandria, Virginia
> americanpotter.blogspot.com
> thesuddenschool.blogspot.com
> hansencookbook.blogspot.com
> "To me, human life in all its forms, individual and aggregate, is a
> perpetual wonder: the flora of the earth and sea is full of beauty and of
> mystery which seeks science to understand; the fauna of land and ocean is
> not less wonderful; the world which holds them both, and the great univer=
se
> that folds it in on everyside, are still more wonderful, complex, and
> attractive to the contemplating mind." - Theodore Parker, minister,
> transcendentalist, abolitionist (1810-1860)
>