figglywig@COMCAST.NET on tue 3 aug 10
Hi, all -=3D20
I am in the process of reclaiming those multitudinous 25-50# blocks of conc=
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rete-like clay that live in my garage, and I was wondering if it is ok to m=
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ix paperclay with other kinds of clay, or will I experience some unexpected=
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weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so=3DC2=3DA0of it, and m=
uch,=3D
much more of other clay that I was going to throw into the pugmill togethe=
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r.=3D20
Thoughts?=3D20
Thanks!=3D20
Gail G., Indy
Steve Mills on tue 3 aug 10
I wouldn't have thought that would produce any problems. If it's Paperclay
with JUST paper additions, no anti-bactericides or similar to prevent
decomposition, the paper will rot down and perhaps add some plasticity
rather in the way I promote that with the addition of live vinegar to my
re-claim.
If you have the aforementioned additions it'll just be part of the mix, but
the remaining 70 percent re-claim will dilute it and render it relatively
ineffective.
Happy pugging
Steve Mills
On 3 August 2010 15:35, wrote:
> Hi, all -
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> I am in the process of reclaiming those multitudinous 25-50# blocks of
> concrete-like clay that live in my garage, and I was wondering if it is o=
k
> to mix paperclay with other kinds of clay, or will I experience some
> unexpected weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so of it, an=
d
> much, much more of other clay that I was going to throw into the pugmill
> together.
>
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> Thoughts?
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> Thanks!
>
> Gail G., Indy
>
--
Steve
Bath
UK
www.mudslinger.me.uk
Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional!
Dannon Rhudy on tue 3 aug 10
Gail asked: ....is it ok to mix paper clay
in with other recycle.......
Yes, of course you can mix it together. The
paper clay will not really affect the other
clay much. But it WILL get all over in the
pugmill, and show up here and there as you
are trimming, etc. It won't hurt the clay,
but it might annoy you, if you are using the
clay to throw. For handbuilding, it's just
an advantage.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Marcia Selsor on tue 3 aug 10
Hey Gail!
As long as you are adding it to slurry of any type, it should be easy to =
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mix in the paper pulp.
I soak the paper for a day or so and then beat it with a propeller type =3D
blade on a drill (mine is actually attached to a 1/4 horse power motor =3D
on a stand built for a 5 gallon bucket.
After the pulp looks like oatmeal, I strain it through a window sceen =3D
size sieve and squezze into grapefruit,make that orange if you are not =3D
from Texas,=3D20
size balls. I add per volume 15-20% you can do 25#. I put the balls =3D
into water and usually add dry clay. Since you have a slurry, guessimate =
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the volume minus 30% water.You can set the balls you don't use aside to =3D
dry and store.=3D20
I am going to pick up some cellulose while in Md. since I can not find =3D
it down here in the tropics. That works really well as a fiber additive.
Marcia Selsor
On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, figglywig@COMCAST.NET wrote:
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> I am in the process of reclaiming those multitudinous 25-50# blocks of =
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concrete-like clay that live in my garage, and I was wondering if it is =3D
ok to mix paperclay with other kinds of clay, or will I experience some =3D
unexpected weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so of it, =3D
and much, much more of other clay that I was going to throw into the =3D
pugmill together.=3D20
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William & Susan Schran User on tue 3 aug 10
On 8/3/10 10:35 AM, "figglywig@COMCAST.NET" wrote:
> I am in the process of reclaiming those multitudinous 25-50# blocks of
> concrete-like clay that live in my garage, and I was wondering if it is o=
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k to
> mix paperclay with other kinds of clay, or will I experience some unexpec=
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> weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so=3DA0of it, and much,=
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> more of other clay that I was going to throw into the pugmill together.
The downside may be twofold:
1. Some folks have issues with throwing/trimming paperclay.
2. Paper when stored wet will mold fairly quickly unless something is added
to retard/stop the mold.
I use paperclay to repair minor cracks, but store it dry and re-wet as
needed.
Bill
--=3D20
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
figglywig@COMCAST.NET on tue 3 aug 10
The way I figure it, I will be adding this 30# to several hundred pounds of=
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other stuff, so it will be a smaller percentage than 30%...=3D20
I just wish most of this clay had some sort of marking on the bags - I rece=
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ived it for free from several different sources. Thought I would err on the=
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side of caution and mix it all up together, and try firing a piece of it t=
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o cone 6, and another to cone 10, and see what's what. Of course, a nice kn=
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own cone 6 or 10 body waste slab (or=3DC2=3DA0 box) will be under each piec=
e, i=3D
n case of melting....=3D20
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To: figglywig@COMCAST.NET, Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D20
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Subject: Re: can you mix paperclay with other clay?=3D20
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> weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so=3DC2=3DA0of it, and =
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> more of other clay that I was going to throw into the pugmill together.=
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The downside may be twofold:=3D20
1. Some folks have issues with throwing/trimming paperclay.=3D20
2. Paper when stored wet will mold fairly quickly unless something is added=
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to retard/stop the mold.=3D20
I use paperclay to repair minor cracks, but store it dry and re-wet as=3D20
needed.=3D20
Bill=3D20
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William "Bill" Schran=3D20
wschran@cox.net=3D20
wschran@nvcc.edu=3D20
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com=3D20
Marcia Selsor on tue 3 aug 10
Yes. But I guess i misunderstood what you ere doing. You want to ad =3D
p'clay with other dried clay. Yes. as Dannon says.
I thought you wanted to make paper clay using the dried clay you already =
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have.
Oops.
Nice to hear from you Gail.
Marci
On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, figglywig@COMCAST.NET wrote:
> Hi, all -=3D20
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>=3D20
>=3D20
> I am in the process of reclaiming those multitudinous 25-50# blocks of =
=3D
concrete-like clay that live in my garage, and I was wondering if it is =3D
ok to mix paperclay with other kinds of clay, or will I experience some =3D
unexpected weirdness because of it? I only have about 30# or so of it, =3D
and much, much more of other clay that I was going to throw into the =3D
pugmill together.=3D20
>=3D20
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> Thoughts?=3D20
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> Thanks!=3D20
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> Gail G., Indy
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Snail Scott on tue 3 aug 10
On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, figglywig@COMCAST.NET wrote:
> ...I was wondering if it is ok to mix paperclay with other kinds of
> clay, or will I experience some unexpected weirdness because of it?
It's hard to break up paperclay when it's dry.
(That's one of its virtues, after all.) Soak it first
and then chunk it into small damp pieces.
For the rest, it's easier to break it up dry.
Once you've got it smashed up, slake it down,
blend it all together, dry it to clay consistency
and pug it. If you do get it well mixed, it will
just be like a low-paper-content paperclay.
IMHO, it's more trouble than it's worth to deal
with reprocessing solid paperclay. Use that time
to earn money for more fresh clay, or to reprocess
more regular clay.
-Snail
MEUNIER LEE on tue 3 aug 10
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