Antoinette Badenhorst on tue 10 aug 10
It's been years since I created functional dinnerware on a daily basis. Rec=
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ently I reclaimed a load of stoneware clay that is very well aged=3DC2=3DA0=
and=3D
I am in the process of preparing it to award myself (and my daughters) wit=
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h a dinnerset.=3D20
Apart from thinking about a good glaze fit( which might carry a slight chal=
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lenge...), I started thinking about design (line and shape)=3DC2=3DA0this m=
orni=3D
ng while washing a few cerial bowls( left overs from long ago..............=
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leftovers and rejects has a way to find it's way to my kitchen.........what=
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do they say about the cobler........LOL)=3D20
Anyway, I am curious to hear some of your ideas for good designs. I am gene=
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rally a sucker for narrow bottoms and nice fat bellies, but know that those=
=3D
are the ones that take up space in dishwashers and kitchen shelves=3DC2=3D=
A0an=3D
d that roll around on countertops.=3D20
I think I am going to open my dishwasher( waiting to be installed in my kit=
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chen to be)=3DC2=3DA0and study it from side to side. Maybe I will find some=
use=3D
ful clues there and maybe you find this subject curious too..........=3D20
Best wishes.=3D20
Antoinette Badenhorst=3D20
www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com
William & Susan Schran User on tue 10 aug 10
On 8/10/10 12:15 PM, "Antoinette Badenhorst" =3D
>
wrote:
> Anyway, I am curious to hear some of your ideas for good designs. I am
> generally a sucker for narrow bottoms and nice fat bellies, but know that
> those are the ones that take up space in dishwashers and kitchen shelves=
=3DA0=3D
and
> that roll around on countertops.
> I think I am going to open my dishwasher( waiting to be installed in my
> kitchen to be)=3DA0and study it from side to side. Maybe I will find some=
use=3D
ful
> clues there and maybe you find this subject curious too..........
I did the same thing when I made my last dinnerware set - I measured the
space between the "prongs" (those rubberized coated parts that stick up
holding/separating the dishes). They measured 1" between, so that would be
my approximate height from foot to rim of the plate to avoid tearing up the
"prongs" when plates were inserted.
The width of the foot of the plate is same thickness of the wall of the
plate. The foot is a simple 1/2 round shape to provide a smooth surface and
least amount of bare clay exposed. The foot is formed/trimmed at the point
where base changes to wall. The diameter of the foot is the diameter of the
centered disk of clay before opening.
Having a wide rim invites warping and a narrow foot ring invites instabilit=
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y
during usage.
A well fitting glossy glaze is easier to clean and is less likely to be
marked by metal utensils than would be a mat glaze.
Bill
--=3D20
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Robert Harris on tue 10 aug 10
For those of us who rather like the extra time the dishwasher allows
us, one of the most important considerations is fit. For me I try to
make sure that my mugs will fit (diameter) in the top rack of a normal
dishwasher. While handles don't need to be considered I do try and
make it so they can comfortably fit between the prongs.
The second is that while I like large plates with a nice wide flange I
have to be careful not to make them too wide or they will prevent the
spinner attached to the top rack from spinning (assuming your plates
stack upright on the bottom of the dishwasher).
Personally I turn the bottom of my mugs as I like to glaze the bottom
and only have a bare footring. (My stuff would probably be classified
as pretty "industrial" by the wobbly pot brigade). If you do turn the
bottom make sure it's not too deep or water will puddle in it and drip
out when you unload. This is a real problem with my beakers (see
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/29466313) but I like them enough to
keep making them (and they do sell).
I also try and make my cereal bowls so that they can stack nicely in
the dishwasher. However I also make very rounded bowls with a small
base that fit nicely in the hand when eating soup or noodles. These
have more of a problem when trying to stack in the dishwasher as they
are too deep vs diameter to fit nicely between the prongs, but frankly
I like them enough not to worry about it.
In terms of eating and drinking aesthetics you should probably seek to
satisfy yourself (and maybe your daughters) in terms of how you like
to hold mugs. Two fingers, three fingers, hand wrapped around, whole
hand in handle etc. I like to have two fingers for the handle, or my
whole hand wrapped around the mug. For the latter if the mug is too
round bellied I can't get a good enough grip (I've got pretty small
paws). I also like a slightly thickened rim (compared with wall of
pot) so there is a blob at the top which my lips can seal to. Also a
slight flare at the top helps the drinking action - getting the liquid
down the hatch without spilling any!
I also like a pretty significant lip on my plates so that you can
serve stew or sauces without having to worry about spillage.
Ummm... that's all I can think of right now.
Robert
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Antoinette Badenhorst
wrote:
> It's been years since I created functional dinnerware on a daily basis. R=
=3D
ecently I reclaimed a load of stoneware clay that is very well aged=3DA0 an=
d =3D
I am in the process of preparing it to award myself (and my daughters) with=
=3D
a dinnerset.
>
>
>
> Apart from thinking about a good glaze fit( which might carry a slight ch=
=3D
allenge...), I started thinking about design (line and shape)=3DA0this morn=
in=3D
g while washing a few cerial bowls( left overs from long ago..............l=
=3D
eftovers and rejects has a way to find it's way to my kitchen.........what =
=3D
do they say about the cobler........LOL)
>
>
>
> Anyway, I am curious to hear some of your ideas for good designs. I am ge=
=3D
nerally a sucker for narrow bottoms and nice fat bellies, but know that tho=
=3D
se are the ones that take up space in dishwashers and kitchen shelves=3DA0a=
nd=3D
that roll around on countertops.
>
>
>
> I think I am going to open my dishwasher( waiting to be installed in my k=
=3D
itchen to be)=3DA0and study it from side to side. Maybe I will find some us=
ef=3D
ul clues there and maybe you find this subject curious too..........
>
>
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Antoinette Badenhorst
> www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com
>
--=3D20
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Victoria E. Hamilton on tue 10 aug 10
Antoinette -
When I get an order for dinnerware from someone, I ask for the following
information at the outset:
1. Do you have/use a dishwasher?
2. If so, what is the vertical measurement from the bottom of the dish =3D
rack
to the water sprayer arm just below the top basket?
3. What is the measurement between the small upright posts/slots for
plates?
4. How deep are your kitchen cabinets back to front?
Once those questions are answered, shape and design is discussed: =3D
narrow
rim, wide rim, flatter, dishier (more of a curve to the rim or edge of =3D
the
plate); should bowls have a distinct rim or a gradual one; footrings on
mugs.
Hope this is useful.
I may be making a new set for myself - last one done in 2004.
Vicki Hamilton
Seattle, WA=3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Antoinette
Badenhorst
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Designing dinnerware to be shelf and dishwasher friendly.
It's been years since I created functional dinnerware on a daily basis.
Recently I reclaimed a load of stoneware clay that is very well aged=3DA0 =
=3D
and I
am in the process of preparing it to award myself (and my daughters) =3D
with a
dinnerset.=3D20
Apart from thinking about a good glaze fit( which might carry a slight
challenge...), I started thinking about design (line and shape)=3DA0this =
=3D
morning
while washing a few cerial bowls( left overs from long
ago..............leftovers and rejects has a way to find it's way to my
kitchen.........what do they say about the cobler........LOL)=3D20
Anyway, I am curious to hear some of your ideas for good designs. I am
generally a sucker for narrow bottoms and nice fat bellies, but know =3D
that
those are the ones that take up space in dishwashers and kitchen =3D
shelves=3DA0and
that roll around on countertops.=3D20
I think I am going to open my dishwasher( waiting to be installed in my
kitchen to be)=3DA0and study it from side to side. Maybe I will find some =
=3D
useful
clues there and maybe you find this subject curious too..........=3D20
Best wishes.=3D20
Antoinette Badenhorst
www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com
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