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ginal Message ----- =3D0AFrom: "Vince Pitelka=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> Paul Gerhold =
posted a=3D
web link that provided the following definition of=3D0A> art:=3D0A=3D0A=3D=
0AYes he=3D
did, and bless his Heart, too.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> > "Art is the organiza=
tion of =3D
sense impressions [into pleasurable formal=3D0A> > relations] that expresse=
s =3D
the artist's sensibility and communicates to=3D0A> > his=3D0A> > audience a=
sen=3D
se of values that can transform their lives."=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> Pleasura=
ble form=3D
al relations?=3DA0 Who says?=3DA0 Why should that be a criteria at=3D0A> al=
l?=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0APossibly, because there are still a few people left here and=
there=3D
, who may=3D0Aprefer pleasure, to pain? Or, who can still tell the differen=
ce=3D
?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI still don't get the frequent claim of 'Art' communicating=
'valu=3D
es' which =3D0Atransform people's Lives.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AAnd of course no one=
ever bo=3D
thers offering examples anyone can refer to, for =3D0Aall these claims and =
as=3D
sertions, or even for merely allowing a reader to see =3D0Awhat the writer =
ha=3D
s in mind for example on which a claim is being made.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A"Bedlam=
"=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0ATyphus tranfrormed more 'Lives' than 'Art' ever will...for that m=
atte=3D
r.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ASo has television...so has Pasurization...so have Antibiot=
ics...=3D
so has the =3D0AInternet, so have falling off Roofs...etc...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0A> If =3D
one of the criteria is that art must communicate a sense of values that=3D0=
A>=3D
can transform peoples' lives, then a good percentage of the work that we=
=3D
=3D0A> call art in the museums around the world isn't really art at all.=3D=
0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0AI myself would not find that to be a necessary criteria.=3D0A=3D0=
ABut the=3D
n, I ( also )=3DA0 dispute the wisdom and utility of the present=3D0Aconfus=
ed-m=3D
eaning/use-abuse of the word 'Art', as it ( the word, or the=3D0Ahabituated=
=3D
=3D0Aconnotation, or the liabilities of both, as they, or it )=3DA0 has com=
e to=3D
be,=3D0Aanyway.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> And what is meant by a "sense of valu=
es?"=3DA0 Wh=3D
y should art have to=3D0A> communicate a sense of values?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AI d=
o not be=3D
lieve it would need to...but, Values do seem to fall onto, or may=3D0Abe pe=
rc=3D
eived as if able to be arranged on, a graduated scale from the more=3D0Aor =
le=3D
ss powerfully oblique to the more or less infinitely subtle.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AI t=3D
hink we labor in error in wishing to resolve the conundrum we have borned=
=3D
=3D0Aor inherited, or maintained on accident...instead of rejecting the pre=
mi=3D
s on=3D0Awhich it is=3D0Arooted to so vex us.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AA better and in=
tentionall=3D
y arrived at premis would allow happier =3D0Aforthcomings.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0A> There=3D
is plenty of decent art that just decorates or entertains.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AI do=3D
not see how or why anyone would have ever presumed to ask anything more=3D=
0A=3D
than that, of it, or of anything else, or of eachother, or of themselves or=
=3D
=3D0Aof their own=3D0Amind, anyway.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0APossibly, people imagine=
that the =3D
word 'entertain' indicates something=3D0Atrivial? Or other-determined? Or s=
up=3D
erficial..?=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIt is a broad term I suppose...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ABut=
, if I imagi=3D
ne the loftiest or most exhaulted or revered or famous or=3D0Aprofound thin=
gs=3D
called 'Art', or ditto of events or transpires of History, =3D0Aof famed R=
el=3D
igious figures or=3D0Aother personages, etc, I=3D0Afind them ( at best, and=
at =3D
worst, ) to 'entertain'...so...=3D0A=3D0AEntertain used to mean one invest =
atte=3D
ntion and interest in or with =3D0Asomething...a form=3D0Aof consideration.=
..a =3D
form of involvement and focus.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AWord Soup, as ever...Grab=
ba Spoon=3D
...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A>=3DA0 Also,=3D0A> there is lots of art that te=
lls a story wi=3D
thout communicating any=3D0A> particular=3D0A> sense of values.=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0AYes...=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ANor need it ( in this sense ) even be obliged to do that, to=
tell-=3D
a-story,=3D0Aof course.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> I am sorry, but I think that t=
his defini=3D
tion is restrictive and=3D0A> misleading.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIn skeet, one says =
"Pull!!"=3D
and the Clay Pigeon is lst fly...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AIt then descends, either b=
y it's=3D
own trajectory and liesured parabola, or,=3D0Ain pieces, and, with help to=
b=3D
e that way.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A> - Vince=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0ALove,=3D0A=3D0A=
=3D0APhil=3D0ALv
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