Lili Krakowski on fri 22 oct 10
In the good old days physicians and doctors of theology were the only =3D
ones who used their title. Regular "PhDs" did not.
Veterinarians and dentists were added to this list.
Then for reasons unknown--at least to me--"everyone" with a PhD uses the =
=3D
title "Doctor".=3D20
There are reasons for using the title: as in cases where the title helps =
=3D
identify. THIS Joe Schmo is a professor, and that Joe Schmo runs the a =3D
plumber. =3D20
There once were three Ruth Benedicts at Columbia U. Two were professors =
=3D
one being the world famous anthropologist. The third worked in the =3D
administration. That is the one I met--who told me the three lunched =3D
together every month or so to exchange misdirected mail.
And equally true story--though the names may have been changed--told by =3D
a friend from Michigan. When he moved to NYC he had been given a letter =
=3D
of introduction to one Giselle Mackensie Riemenschneider; He looked in =3D
the phone book, found the listing and called. The woman who answered =3D
said: "Lovely. Welcome. But I do not know X--you must want my cousin =3D
Giselle Mackensie Riemenschneider." The 2nd GMR was not in the =3D
Manhattan but a suburban phone book.
Fabienne is quite right. There is not necessarily some neurotic =3D
reason for using a title. I do think the time and place matter.
But otherwise? If anyone feels put down or denigrated by title =3D
use....oh dear, oh dear.
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Philip Poburka on fri 22 oct 10
In the very early 18th Century and on from there, it was very common for
certain kinds of abbreviations to succeed a person's name, which denoted
titles, degrees, rank or memberships in prestigious organizations.
Generally, anyone belonging to His Majesty's Royal Scientific Society for
example, ( even in the 17th Century, ) would have the letters FRS following
their name, and the same with many dozens of other titles, memberships,
appointments or stations realized.
Former Military Rank or Honorary titles - or their abbreviations in print -
also sometimes persisted in this way well into the 19th Century and early
20th Century.
As indeed rank or station in Religious Organizations tended to be included
with a person's name, as well.
One place these may be seen is with the names of Authors, on the Title Page=
s
of Books.
It was just as common here in the U.S as it was in England-Ireland-Scotland
or Continental Europe.
I am not sure when this diminished, but, probably after WWII.
Though in storage now, I have quite a few Books, and the practice of
appending abbreviations representing various kinds of attainments of the
Author, is still to be seen regularly well into the 1930s for Technical or
non-fiction Authors, sometimes having quite a few abbreviated titles
appended to their name.
I do not recall seeing this occurring very much after WWII.
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
In the good old days physicians and doctors of theology were the only ones
who used their title. Regular "PhDs" did not.
Veterinarians and dentists were added to this list.
Then for reasons unknown--at least to me--"everyone" with a PhD uses the
title "Doctor".
There are reasons for using the title: as in cases where the title helps
identify. THIS Joe Schmo is a professor, and that Joe Schmo runs the a
plumber.
There once were three Ruth Benedicts at Columbia U. Two were professors on=
e
being the world famous anthropologist. The third worked in the
administration. That is the one I met--who told me the three lunched
together every month or so to exchange misdirected mail.
And equally true story--though the names may have been changed--told by a
friend from Michigan. When he moved to NYC he had been given a letter of
introduction to one Giselle Mackensie Riemenschneider; He looked in the
phone book, found the listing and called. The woman who answered said:
"Lovely. Welcome. But I do not know X--you must want my cousin Giselle
Mackensie Riemenschneider." The 2nd GMR was not in the Manhattan but a
suburban phone book.
Fabienne is quite right. There is not necessarily some neurotic reason
for using a title. I do think the time and place matter.
But otherwise? If anyone feels put down or denigrated by title use....oh
dear, oh dear.
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Vince Pitelka on fri 22 oct 10
David Martin Hershey wrote:
"We're ALL Joe Schmos on this bus..."
Or, perhaps even more appropriately, one could say "No one is a 'Joe Schmo'
on this bus." I think that's a far more accurate reflection of the Clayart
membership.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Philip Poburka on fri 22 oct 10
Oh man, I can't believe you and Lili would say such a sexist thing.
See how that stuff creeps in?
Yipes!
You both left out all the Jill Schmos!
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Martin Hershey"
> Hi Lili & Phil,
>
> We're ALL Joe Schmos on this bus... ;^)
>
> Best, DMH
>
> David Martin Hershey
>
> On 10/22/2010 8:11 AM, Lili Krakowski wrote:
>> THIS Joe Schmo is a professor, and that Joe Schmo is a plumber.
David Martin Hershey on fri 22 oct 10
Hi Lili & Phil,
We're ALL Joe Schmos on this bus... ;^)
Best, DMH
David Martin Hershey
DMH Studio + Design
2629 Manhattan Ave #137
Hermosa Beach CA USA
90254-2447 424.241.3809
http://www.dmhstudio.com/
http://www.obamacardgold.com
http://www.winetastingtrolley.com/
On 10/22/2010 8:11 AM, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> THIS Joe Schmo is a professor, and that Joe Schmo is a plumber.
>
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