Kathy Forer on fri 3 dec 10
On Dec 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, David Hendley wrote:
> I sure don't see how looking at a firebrick will "pique students'
> interest in the shuttle program".
Well they did go to Outer Space and Back again. They're tangible artifacts.
What really is any object beyond its most utilitarian function? It's what w=
e=3D
give to it, what we claim it is, the myths we embue it with.=3D20
What makes a painting something other than a two dimensional object on a wa=
l=3D
l?
Like the credit card commercial, most things have monetary value and some a=
r=3D
e "priceless." Or approaching. Actual literal values become extraneous with=
a=3D
rt and artifacts as well. Liquidate a Roman bronze and that's its actual va=
l=3D
ue. Disassemble Damien Hirst's diamond skull and maybe there some market va=
l=3D
ue of a different scale. Take a plain human skull, a lifeless shell reducib=
l=3D
e to common minerals. It's valued too as form and as a reminder of the abse=
n=3D
ce and fragility of life. It leads to Shakespeare's "Alas, poor Yorick."=3D=
20
Kathy Forer
www.foreverink.com
Mike Gordon on fri 3 dec 10
I wish I was still teaching, I'd go for this one!! Mike Gordon
NASA To Give Away Pieces Of Space Shuttle To Schools.
W.J. Hennigan wrote in a blog for the Los Angeles Times (12/1),
"Starting Wednesday, NASA is giving away 7,000 space shuttle heat
shield tiles to schools and universities that want to pique their
students' interest in the shuttle program with a little piece of space
history. ... With the shuttle program slated to end next year, NASA
said the offer was made to 'preserve the program's history and inspire
the next generation of space explorers, scientists and engineers.'"
David Hendley on fri 3 dec 10
What's the big deal? "Space Shuttle heat shield tiles" are nothing
more than glorified insulating fire brick.
I had them all around my pottery ship when The Columbia
blew apart and fell to earth. They are 6 inches square and about
2 inches thick and look indistinguishable from white IFBs.
Of course, since the government bought them, I read that they
cost $2000 each. A lot of this extra cost is because each tile is
individually shaped to fit the surface of the aircraft.
I sure don't see how looking at a firebrick will "pique students'
interest in the shuttle program".
Let's see, 7000 tiles @ $2000 each equals 14 million tax
payers' dollars. Now that's inspiring.
David Hendley
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
http://www.thewahooligans.com
----- Original Message ----- >
> NASA To Give Away Pieces Of Space Shuttle To Schools.
>
> W.J. Hennigan wrote in a blog for the Los Angeles Times (12/1),
> "Starting Wednesday, NASA is giving away 7,000 space shuttle heat
> shield tiles to schools and universities that want to pique their
> students' interest in the shuttle program with a little piece of space
> history. ... With the shuttle program slated to end next year, NASA
> said the offer was made to 'preserve the program's history and inspire
> the next generation of space explorers, scientists and engineers.'"
Lee Love on sat 4 dec 10
I'd like a shuttle tile to put next to my Jomon shard collection.
I heard that Randy Johnson's father worked on the shuttle tiles. If I
remember, he was an engineer.
NASA has brought us countless technological and scientific
advancements. Short sighted people do funny math to discount it.
--
=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
steve graber on sat 4 dec 10
remember there are a LOT more than 7,000 tiles per shuttle so there's a ver=
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nder=3DA0who it =3D0Ais?=3DA0 i'd chase=3DA0this down thru the writer, W J =
Hennigan=3D
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d =3D
on referrals, no doubt), and =3D0AJPL public relations.=3DA0 the kenedy spa=
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he s=3D
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ew f=3D
or exhibit at the =3D0Anext NCECA?=3DA0 certainly if NASA knew their tiles =
coul=3D
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as=3D
sing a few over to the pottery =3D0Acrowd.=3DA0 especially with NCECA being=
in =3D
florida next year.=3DA0 they are like modern =3D0Amoon rocks!=3DA0 =3D0A=3D=
0A=3D0A=3DA0St=3D
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ve T=3D
ool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graber=
sp=3D
ottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunacla=
y.com/bl=3D
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n @EARTHLINK.NET>=3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Fri, Decembe=
r 3,=3D
2010 11:23:06 AM=3D0A> Subject: teachers!!!=3D0A> =3D0A> I wish I was stil=
l teac=3D
hing, I'd go for this one!! Mike Gordon=3D0A> =3D0A> NASA To Give Away Piec=
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steve graber on sat 4 dec 10
i'm not sure how the tile system was=3DA0layed out, but the one i saw was e=
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remely =3D0Alight,=3DA0very=3DA0different from IFB.=3DA0 it was pinkish, al=
most wei=3D
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ers of=3D
brick with the outer =3D0Alayers more like what we're used to and inner sk=
in=3D
layers more exotic?=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D0A=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Po=
ttery, Inc=3D
=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on =
pots=3D
! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn La=
guna Cla=3D
y's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- =
Original M=3D
essage ----=3D0A> From: David Hendley =3D0A> To: Clayar=
t@LS=3D
V.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 4:10:04 PM=3D0A> Subject: =
Re: =3D
teachers!!!=3D0A> =3D0A> What's the big deal? "Space Shuttle heat shield ti=
les"=3D
are nothing=3D0A> more than glorified insulating fire brick.=3D0A> I had t=
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all around my pottery ship when The Columbia=3D0A> blew apart and fell to e=
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in=3D
guishable from white IFBs.=3D0A> =3D0A> Of course, since the government bou=
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them, I read that they=3D0A> cost $2000 each. A lot of this extra cost is b=
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t.=3D0A> I sure don't see how looking at a firebrick will "pique students'=
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> interest in the shuttle program".=3D0A> Let's see, 7000 tiles @ $2000 eac=
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equals 14 million tax=3D0A> payers' dollars. Now that's inspiring.=3D0A> =
=3D0A> D=3D
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ttp://=3D
www.thewahooligans.com=3D0A> =3D0A> =3D0A> =3D0A> ----- Original Message --=
--- >=3D0A=3D
> > NASA To Give Away Pieces Of Space Shuttle To Schools.=3D0A> >=3D0A> > W=
.J. =3D
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John Britt on sat 4 dec 10
David,
Yes, but the space program ...priceless!
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
James Freeman on sat 4 dec 10
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:07 AM, steve graber wrote:
> remember there are a LOT more than 7,000 tiles per shuttle
Here is the link to get the tiles: http://gsaxcess.gov/NASAWel.htm .
I researched it for a friend who is a teacher.
There is a qualification process. You have to prove you represent a
school, and the transaction must be processed through the school.
The cost to get the tiles is $24 to cover shipping and handling.
Some articles I read said that the tiles were a variety of fused
silica, and that the original cost was $10,000 per square foot,
installed. If we guess that the cost was half labor, half materials,
then we, the taxpayers, paid about $1250 for each of those "free"
tiles. The shuttle used seven different materials in the tiles,
depending on where on the shuttle they would be installed, and
therefore the temperature and physical stress to which they would be
subject. I believe the tiles that are offered are the "belly" tiles,
and if so, they are made of a material called LI-900, which is almost
pure silica fiber, and is about 94% air by volume.
There are indeed a lot more than 7000 tiles per shuttle. Here is a
good article for anyone interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system .
It describes all of the different insulating tile materials used.
Fascinating stuff.
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness,
too preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
steve graber on sat 4 dec 10
NASA efforts=3DC2=3DA0are one usa self investment scheme that has paid us b=
ack=3D
=3DC2=3DA0billions =3D0Ain various new technologies.=3DC2=3DA0 it has launc=
hed many n=3D
ew products and=3DC2=3DA0businesses.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0Ai wish we had continued=
investing=3D
in ourselves but we don't seem to.=3DC2=3DA0 we did the =3D0Aflood control=
proje=3D
cts (hoover dam for one, a "jobs" program which launched las =3D0Avegas and=
m=3D
any other river cities).=3DC2=3DA0 the interstate road system, another "job=
s" =3D
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el=3D
time.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0Athe space race resulted in=3DC2=3DA0zillions of new p=
roducts - =3D
Teflon, calculators, TV =3D0Adinners, new medications, new materials and ma=
nu=3D
facturing processes with endless =3D0Apayoffs.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Athe=
n we stopped=3D
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a=3D
dvanced medical methods, =3D0Anew ways to make and use=3DC2=3DA0artificial =
limbs,=3D
eyes, kidneys, hearts.=3D0A=3D0Abut we don't have any leadership vision as=
a c=3D
ountry anymore.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D0A=3DC2=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, In=
c=3D0AClarem=3D
ont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0A=
www.=3D
graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's=
websi=3D
te=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A----- Original =
Message --=3D
--=3D0A> From: Lee Love =3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERA=
MICS=3D
.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 5:31:37 AM=3D0A> Subject: Re: teache=
rs!!=3D
!=3D0A> =3D0A> I'd like a shuttle tile to put next to my Jomon shard collec=
tion=3D
.=3D0A> I heard that Randy Johnson's father worked on the shuttle tiles.=3D=
C2=3D
=3DA0 If I=3D0A> remember, he was an engineer.=3D0A> =3D0A> =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC=
2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 NA=3D
SA has brought us countless technological and scientific=3D0A> advancements=
.=3D
=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 Short sighted people do funny math to discount it.=3D=
0A> =3D0A> -=3D
-=3D0A> =3DC2=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis=3D0A> http://mingeis=
ota.blog=3D
spot.com/=3D0A> =3D0A> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CObserve the wonders as they occur aro=
und you. D=3D
on't claim them. Feel=3D0A> the artistry moving through and be silent.=3DE2=
=3D80=3D
=3D9D --Rumi=3D0A> =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
John Britt on sun 5 dec 10
Thank you Steve.=3D20=3D20
Finally an intelligent comment and not the simple clich=3DE9d whining: "tax=
=3D
payers=3D20
money". People who can't think past their own TV screen or their dried up=
=3D
=3D20
mantras refuse to see the complexity of life and history.
Thanks for that,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
Lee Love on sun 5 dec 10
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:02 AM, John Britt wro=
=3D
te:
> Thank you Steve.
>
> Finally an intelligent comment and not the simple clich=3DE9d whining: "t=
ax=3D
payers
> money". People who can't think past their own TV screen or their dried up
> mantras refuse to see the complexity of life and history.
We need to stop eating the seed corn we built up in the 50's
and 60's and do like the rest of the developed world and start
investing in research and development again. NASA has done things
that no other country is capable of. If we start funding NASA
properly again, we won't become a second rate country.
--
=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
John the Potter on sun 5 dec 10
On 12/4/2010 11:03 AM, steve graber wrote:
> but we don't have any leadership vision as a country anymore.
Too busy getting re-elected.
--
John Lowes
Sandy Springs, Georgia, USA
http://wynhillpottery.weebly.com
steve graber on sun 5 dec 10
people like to knock the costs of space, military, and in many ways have an=
=3D
easy =3D0Atime since there are some=3DA0out of control cost issues.=3DA0 m=
eanwhi=3D
le, they also do =3D0Anot know that many of the costs are for significant r=
eq=3D
uirements the average =3D0Aconsumer doesn't=3DA0need.=3DA0 the famous "$50,=
000 co=3D
ffee pot"has to work upside down =3D0Ain a plane flying at 50,000 feet and =
no=3D
t send out odd EMI-RFI waves to mess up =3D0Aother equipment in the cockpit=
.=3D
=3DA0 those expensive hammers need to survive drop =3D0Atests and vibration=
lev=3D
els we don't often think of.=3DA0 ~ there's no going to the =3D0Ahardware s=
tore=3D
to buy another one in space.=3DA0 the fact that usa spent thousands =3D0Ao=
n de=3D
veloping pens that flowed ink upside down while russia simply used a =3D0Ap=
en=3D
sile - insured russian space capsuls of having broken electrically conducti=
=3D
ve =3D0Alead floating around to short out who knows what at the worst time.=
=3D
=3DA0 there are =3D0Amany examples but the common person doesn't hear them =
and =3D
media doesn't have as =3D0Amuch fun telling people truly "why" any of this =
is=3D
what it is.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Athere also is serious research to understa=
nd what =3D
materials do in space.=3DA0 "up =3D0Athere" isn't where you want to find ou=
t th=3D
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ill =3D
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nt natio=3D
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ul r=3D
esults...=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Ai'm trying.=3DA0 myself and two friends have =
had meetin=3D
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ol=3D
ar panels.=3DA0 it will reduce =3D0Aevaoporation and generate enough power =
to p=3D
ump water for "free" instead of using =3D0Atraditional electric to run all =
th=3D
e pumps.=3DA0 and it's an easy jobs program that =3D0Awe certainly need.=3D=
A0 we =3D
dream of a similar system of flood control from the =3D0Amississippi to the=
w=3D
est to reduce mississippi floods and give the dry west some =3D0Aneeded wat=
er=3D
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0A=3D0Ai k=3D
now i'll die before i see any of that happen so i do what i can in my own =
=3D
=3D0Ahome plot....=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0Athrow more pots!=3DA0 =3D0A=3DA0Stev=
e Graber, Graber=3D
's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awes=
ome =3D
texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=
=3D0A=3D
=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D=
0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D
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M>=3D0A> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0A> Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 7:0=
2:14=3D
AM=3D0A> Subject: Re: teachers!!!=3D0A> =3D0A> Thank you Steve.=3DA0 =3D0A=
> =3D0A> Fin=3D
ally an intelligent comment and not the simple clich=3DE9d whining: "taxpay=
er=3D
s =3D0A> money". People who can't think past their own TV screen or their d=
ri=3D
ed up =3D0A> mantras refuse to see the complexity of life and history.=3D0A=
> =3D
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com=3D0A> =3D
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James Freeman on sun 5 dec 10
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM, steve graber wrote:
> the fact that usa spent thousands
> on developing pens that flowed ink upside down while russia simply used a
> pensile - insured russian space capsuls of having broken electrically con=
=3D
ductive
> lead floating around to short out who knows what at the worst time.
Steve...
Actually, no taxpayer money was used to develop the space pen. Prior
to 1965, both the US and Russian space programs used pencils in space.
Evil, greedy industrialist Paul Fisher saw the dangers that pencils
posed in space, and on his own undertook the development of a suitable
and safe writing instrument. He spent over $1 million of his own
money on the project, and submitted the resulting pen to NASA for
testing and evaluation. The Fisher Space Pen was approved for use in
space, and Fisher sold 400 pens to NASA and 100 to the Russian space
agency at a price of $2.95 each.
You can still purchase a Fisher Space Pen. Here is the link:
http://www.spacepen.com/
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness,
too preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Philip Poburka on mon 6 dec 10
Hi Steve,
Below...amid....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve graber"
>
> people like to knock the costs of space, military,
I should hope so...I would like to believe at least a few people, here and
there, still retain at least a little sense, self posession, decency,
insight, foresight, hindsight, vision generally, emotional independence,
and,
perspective...as well as taste, even.
I myself do not approve of unilaterally imposed indentured servitudes to
support an insinuated and insular, philosophically/ethically 'alien' and
somewhat motley ruling clique
of
effete smarmers and puffers and condesenders who mobilizes endless
fawning and cringing and we-aim-to-please serfs and pedigogues as
enforcement arms for a
redistribution of other people's
wealth and assets, in order to favor themselves, and, to enlarge their
domains and appropriations while tossing - er, selling - a few baubles and
sops to those
below.
In my opinion, this has been the unhappy trend.
I feel it contradicts what had been the 'Age of Enlightenment's optimism or
aspiration, and their deeds as well, for how Civilization does require
something
anyway, of those who aspire to compose it.
Then again, maybe we are a mite shy on people who wish to compose it, too.
I doubt there are even three people left in England, or, enough to fill a
meeting room in 'Dennys', in the US, who could even spell John Locke.
It was not the intention of this Country to merely blurr the label of
serfdom or chattel property or slavery by calling it the 'patriotic' or
'good for the money lenders' or saying "It's a Science!" thing to
do.
> ...and in many ways have an easy
> time since there are some out of control cost issues.
Ya think?
> ...meanwhile, they also do
> not know that many of the costs are for significant requirements the
> average
> consumer doesn't need.
The average consumer did not need the last four or five Wars, or the
userist's receiving Trillions ( of unilaterally imposed debt we and out
children's children's children incur, ) in so called
'bail outs' or the banking laws which permit and encourage and sanction suc=
h
enormous theft and scam, and indenture, either.
Well, actually, the 'average consumer' has long since become a cheap,
replaceable, manufactured and indentured
product, a sort of reliably banal and manageable and spiritually bankrupt
commodity, owned and used
by others,
and has long
since ceased to be a meaningful
or self actualised agent in any constuctive sort of way or
constellation, or positively synergistic way, either, of course.
...now that I think of it...
> ...the famous "$50,000 coffee pot"has to work upside down
> in a plane flying at 50,000 feet and not send out odd EMI-RFI waves to
> mess up
> other equipment in the cockpit. those expensive hammers need to survive
> drop
> tests and vibration levels we don't often think of.
Like Dildos do?
They can get some hard use you know. UL has to test those I think.
Dunno if they bring those up there as well, you know, to ease those pesky
'tensions' and all.
The 'Hammer' and 'Toilet Seat' scandles were about entirely ordinary Wood
Handle Claw Hammers and entirely ordinary basic el cheapo Toilet Seats of a
sort one can buy
for a couple of Dollars at Leows or whatever...not about special applicatio=
n
items for pooping in Outer Space.
> ...~ there's no going to the
> hardware store to buy another one in space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6uS5xPWfxPY
> fact that usa spent thousands
> on developing pens that flowed ink upside down
Spent 'thousands'???
Are you serious?
'Thousands' does not buy two seconds of a preliminary meeting toward a
beginning for
procedures leading
up to deligating for drafting a
feaseability study, preceding awarding an R&D Contract...you really have no
idea how
all this works, Steve...
Lol...
I met the guy who invented the Pens first used in Space.
No one in the Gov't spent anything 'developing' it, the guy invented or
developed it on his own, with his own dough, and, was entirely reasonable
and easy going in the recompense he was asking for, should anyone's Space
Agency wish to have the Pens.
Anyone could buy them, they were a good Pen, well made, and, inexpensive.
> while russia simply used a
> pensile - insured russian space capsuls of having broken electrically
> conductive
> lead floating around to short out who knows what at the worst time.
I am sorry there are so many difficulties confronting people in Space.
Actually, I am sorry there are so many difficulties confronting poeople on
the surface of the Earth, for that matter.
I wonder - do Astronauts care about my challenges, difficulties, problems?
How I get my Work done? Whether I am comfortable ( you know, have my Ash
Tray, Pall Malls, Zippo, fresh cup of Coffee, a nice Notebook, Pen, or
Pencil, soothing background
music even, ) when pooping?
If not, that why the hell should I care about their pooping comforts?
Screw 'em...let the bastards buy their own god damned 'Hammers'...and they
can use a Zip Lock Bag for pooping in.
Come to think of it, I bought my own Hammer, Skilsaw and endless else, with
my own dough that I made by Honest Work, with which I have made my own
honest Living with no pimps and no one getting an arm twisted or thrown in
the slammer if they demur, to outfit me.
I wanted to be a Carpenter, I worked, saved, bought my own Tools.
They wanna be astronaughts, they can buy their own god damned stuff, or the=
y
can go sell Shoes or Tennis Rackets or whatever, at Walmart, or flip
Burgers somewhere.
> there are
> many examples but the common person doesn't hear them and media doesn't
> have as
> much fun telling people truly "why" any of this is what it is.
Yes...
...with everything...
MKUltra...
A single space typed list as long as both arms, both legs, and torso,
and still
the list would go on, and on, and on past those...of things our dough got
spent on to
screw us and make us hurt or damaged or ruined or to make us fools, and to
make enemies of other peoples who we then pay through the nose to fight
against, who resented being f*cked by us and our intel
and corporations via your and my Tax Dollars or other approprioations payin=
g
for it.
"United Fruit Company"...
"Human Ecology Fund"
"National Cancer Institute"
On and remourselessly on, and on...and on...
> there also is serious research to understand what materials do in space.
> "up
> there" isn't where you want to find out that a simple PVC plastic used
> everywhere on earth will outgas and kill you...
And they found this out, how?
Sniff test? Or..?
> i do wish we were to march along on some decent nationwide task instead o=
f
> some
> mindless stimulus with no focus on useful results...
Me too...
Sadly, the only Countries who have sought to do so, within living memory,
were interfered with and punished by others, ( usually, us, but others too,
other stew, )
until they stopped.
> i'm trying. myself and two friends have had meetings with the state of
> california on covering the aqueduct system with solar panels.
A nice idea...
> it will reduce
> evaoporation and generate enough power to pump water for "free" instead o=
f
> using
> traditional electric to run all the pumps. and it's an easy jobs program
> that
> we certainly need. we dream of a similar system of flood control from the
> mississippi to the west to reduce mississippi floods and give the dry wes=
t
> some
> needed water. interstates 10, 40, and 80 are useful roads to follow.
Or I-15...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPyN8JthsHY0
&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD2T5W3dMt74&feature=3Drelated
Sorry, just in a Music mood to-day...
> i know i'll die before i see any of that happen so i do what i can in my
> own
> home plot....
Yes...
Makes me want to punch into the VHS Player, the dusty old Tape of 'The
Fountainhead' for some
reason...
Well, maybe for a lot of reasons...
> throw more pots!
> Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc
> Claremont, California USA
Love,
Phil
Lv
Fred Parker on mon 6 dec 10
Right on, Lee! You nailed this one. I doubt any of us -- even NASA's mo=
=3D
st
fervent supporters -- have any notion of how much the 1950's - 1960's spa=
=3D
ce
program changed how we live today. I hope we wake up before it is too la=
=3D
te...
Fred Parker
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:46:29 -0600, Lee Love wrot=
=3D
e:
> We need to stop eating the seed corn we built up in the 50's
>and 60's and do like the rest of the developed world and start
>investing in research and development again. NASA has done things
>that no other country is capable of. If we start funding NASA
>properly again, we won't become a second rate country.
>--
Tom Gordon on mon 6 dec 10
How cool would it be to be sitting with a group while the kiln was
firing... enjoying a few beverages and you just quietly mention the bricks =
from
the kiln were from the Shuttle....... Even better why not provide a school
with an amazing arts program enough bricks to build such a kiln?
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