Philip Poburka on sat 4 dec 10
Hi David, all...
Prolly cost another two grand at least, per 'Tile', just to give the damned
things away to the schools.
I guess they figured, it is a lot harder to try and impress grown-ups, even
now...
I think, they ought to give the kiddies some nice, old fashioned stinky
smeary 'purple' Mimeograph facsimiles of the actual period tech data
documents, the way they were done then, which detail the specs which were
actually used for the Radiation Shielding of the 'Manned' Moon Shots.
That'll 'inspire' the next generation alright...
Shuttle-Schmuttle...
Oye...
Love,
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hendley"
> What's the big deal? "Space Shuttle heat shield tiles" are nothing
> more than glorified insulating fire brick.
> I had them all around my pottery ship when The Columbia
> blew apart and fell to earth. They are 6 inches square and about
> 2 inches thick and look indistinguishable from white IFBs.
>
> Of course, since the government bought them, I read that they
> cost $2000 each. A lot of this extra cost is because each tile is
> individually shaped to fit the surface of the aircraft.
> I sure don't see how looking at a firebrick will "pique students'
> interest in the shuttle program".
> Let's see, 7000 tiles @ $2000 each equals 14 million tax
> payers' dollars. Now that's inspiring.
>
> David Hendley
> david@farmpots.com
> http://www.farmpots.com
> http://www.thewahooligans.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> NASA To Give Away Pieces Of Space Shuttle To Schools.
>>
>> W.J. Hennigan wrote in a blog for the Los Angeles Times (12/1),
>> "Starting Wednesday, NASA is giving away 7,000 space shuttle heat
>> shield tiles to schools and universities that want to pique their
>> students' interest in the shuttle program with a little piece of space
>> history. ... With the shuttle program slated to end next year, NASA
>> said the offer was made to 'preserve the program's history and inspire
>> the next generation of space explorers, scientists and engineers.'"
Ric Swenson on sat 4 dec 10
Come on Phil.........get off that stupid horse...
The space tiles are the real reason we have fiberfrax. insulation.... they =
developed spun alumina instead of spun silica (fiberglass) for the space pr=
ograms...in the 1950-60s....and we have all benefitted from their work... w=
hat's that worth? probably a lot to the millions who see a benefit in one =
way or the other. I used fiberfrax to replace the metal shields in my old =
furnace...they still work well 20 years later...the metal ones would fail i=
n 5-6 years.
Dont' be such a naysayer all the time... I tire of it.
Sometimes science works. and yeah...maybe we pay too much for some things=
.... I agree the government pays too much for ashtrays and hammers.....but =
who gives a shit if we all benefit later? hello Henry ford....edison...mar=
coni....newton..etal...
grow up dude. Schools will be inpressed in ways your febble mind escapes. K=
ids have imagination...you apparently have little of that.
no pissing contest...just a matter of facts.
Just my 2 RMB
Ric
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> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:06:20 -0800
> From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET
> Subject: Re: teachers!!! And other refractories
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>
> Hi David, all...
>
>
>
>
> Prolly cost another two grand at least, per 'Tile', just to give the damn=
ed
> things away to the schools.
>
>
> I guess they figured, it is a lot harder to try and impress grown-ups, ev=
en
> now...
>
>
> I think, they ought to give the kiddies some nice, old fashioned stinky
> smeary 'purple' Mimeograph facsimiles of the actual period tech data
> documents, the way they were done then, which detail the specs which were
> actually used for the Radiation Shielding of the 'Manned' Moon Shots.
>
> That'll 'inspire' the next generation alright...
>
>
> Shuttle-Schmuttle...
>
>
>
> Oye...
>
>
>
> Love,
>
>
> Phil
> L v
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hendley"
>
> > What's the big deal? "Space Shuttle heat shield tiles" are nothing
> > more than glorified insulating fire brick.
> > I had them all around my pottery ship when The Columbia
> > blew apart and fell to earth. They are 6 inches square and about
> > 2 inches thick and look indistinguishable from white IFBs.
> >
> > Of course, since the government bought them, I read that they
> > cost $2000 each. A lot of this extra cost is because each tile is
> > individually shaped to fit the surface of the aircraft.
> > I sure don't see how looking at a firebrick will "pique students'
> > interest in the shuttle program".
> > Let's see, 7000 tiles @ $2000 each equals 14 million tax
> > payers' dollars. Now that's inspiring.
> >
> > David Hendley
> > david@farmpots.com
> > http://www.farmpots.com
> > http://www.thewahooligans.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- >
> >> NASA To Give Away Pieces Of Space Shuttle To Schools.
> >>
> >> W.J. Hennigan wrote in a blog for the Los Angeles Times (12/1),
> >> "Starting Wednesday, NASA is giving away 7,000 space shuttle heat
> >> shield tiles to schools and universities that want to pique their
> >> students' interest in the shuttle program with a little piece of space
> >> history. ... With the shuttle program slated to end next year, NASA
> >> said the offer was made to 'preserve the program's history and inspire
> >> the next generation of space explorers, scientists and engineers.'"
Philip Poburka on mon 6 dec 10
Hi Ric,
Always interesting to see what 'solutions' people elect, for their
perception of a problem.
But...to return to my original assertion, if we may?
That - it would "benefit" and edify, the
kiddies, and, everyone interested else, far more,
in my opinion, to have detailed explanations and actual, authentic, period
tech
data, handed to them,
of the 1969 era 'solution' which was used, for the Radiation problem of
going
passed low ( or past say, 600 miles up of ) Earth Orbit...than to be
perfunctorily
handed a 'Tile' from the merely lowest of the 'low'
Earth Orbit 'Space Shuttle' ( which not only has no solution to the
Radiation problems, but, has seen serious dangers and damages and scrubbed
Missions from
Solar and Van Allen Radiation issues even in the lowest of the low,
low Orbit it dare never exceed FOR that very reason, or the people in it;
would fry...).
So, since you seem to know a lot about 'n.a.s.a.', and Science, or even if
you don't, maybe you
would like to explain how that problem was solved?
'n.a.s.a' now claims they can not solve that problem with any technology
known to them, without the weight being a deal breaker.
The Chinese say they can not solve that problem for the same reasons.
The Russians claim they can not solve that problem, for the same reasons.
How did 'n.a.s.a.' solve that problem then, in the 1960s, for all
those 'Manned Moon
Shots?
I am much more interested in that, than, in how grateful I am supposed to
be, and how wrong and bad and stupid and no-imagination I am, for not being
grateful enough,
for ( the larger context of the entire cold war, which was the real basis
for the front called 'n.a.s.a.', in which, funding for military and intel
application conditions happened to have occasioned
some association or attribution, or eventuation of ) 'fiberfrax'.
We could have had 'fibrefrax' under entirely different circumstances,
anyway.
There was never any shortage of inventive people in the US. Or of Markets
for useful things.
Like that...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ric Swenson"
> Come on Phil.........get off that stupid horse...
>
>
> The space tiles are the real reason we have fiberfrax. insulation.... the=
y
> developed spun alumina instead of spun silica (fiberglass) for the space
> programs...in the 1950-60s....and we have all benefitted from their
> work... what's that worth? probably a lot to the millions who see a
> benefit in one way or the other. I used fiberfrax to replace the metal
> shields in my old furnace...they still work well 20 years later...the
> metal ones would fail in 5-6 years.
>
>
> Dont' be such a naysayer all the time... I tire of it.
>
>
> Sometimes science works. and yeah...maybe we pay too much for some
> things.... I agree the government pays too much for ashtrays and
> hammers.....but who gives a shit if we all benefit later? hello Henry
> ford....edison...marconi....newton..etal...
>
>
> grow up dude. Schools will be inpressed in ways your febble mind escapes.
> Kids have imagination...you apparently have little of that.
>
>
> no pissing contest...just a matter of facts.
>
>
>
> Just my 2 RMB
>
>
>
>
>
> Ric
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