C Sullivan on sun 12 dec 10
Hi Folks
It's approx. 10:40pm here, and i've been all over the web hunting for
Sanders Crystalline glaze formula. Am falling asleep at the computer and
still haven't found it.
Does anyone have his recipe for macrocrystalls ???
I'd really, surely appreciate the info.
Thanks
Chae
James Freeman on mon 13 dec 10
Chae...
There are a number of macrocrystalline glazes in his book "Glazes for
Special Effects", some for raw glazing, some employing commercial
frits, some employing homemade frits, and for various cones from 7
through 15. If you can narrow it down a bit, I'd be happy to send you
what you need.
Take care.
...James
James Freeman
"...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness,
too preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:35 AM, C Sullivan wrote:
> Hi Folks
> It's approx. 10:40pm here, and i've been all over the web hunting for
> Sanders Crystalline glaze formula. =3DA0Am falling asleep at the computer=
a=3D
nd
> still haven't found it.
> Does anyone have his recipe for macrocrystalls ???
> I'd really, surely appreciate the info.
> Thanks
> Chae
>
William & Susan Schran User on mon 13 dec 10
On 12/13/10 12:35 AM, "C Sullivan" wrote:
> Hi Folks
> It's approx. 10:40pm here, and i've been all over the web hunting for
> Sanders Crystalline glaze formula. Am falling asleep at the computer and
> still haven't found it.
> Does anyone have his recipe for macrocrystalls ???
> I'd really, surely appreciate the info.
Chae,
Which Sanders crystalline glaze recipe are you seeking?
There are dozens of them!
If you contact me off list with something a bit more specific, I have his
book and will send the recipe to you.
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
Powdermill Pottery on mon 13 dec 10
Chae,
Sanders book is out of print. I had one that was thoroughly used and had to
pay a pretty penny for it, then it burned with my house a couple of years
ago. I kind of thought everything was a little out dated, but I did learn
some things from it. Are you looking for information on ^6 or ^10? Let me
know and I'll try to steer you in the right direction.
Jeff Gieringer
Berea, Kentucky
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of C Sullivan
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 12:36 AM
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Sanders Crystalline Glaze
Hi Folks
It's approx. 10:40pm here, and i've been all over the web hunting for
Sanders Crystalline glaze formula. Am falling asleep at the computer and
still haven't found it.
Does anyone have his recipe for macrocrystalls ???
I'd really, surely appreciate the info.
Thanks
Chae
John Britt on mon 13 dec 10
I have many of those in my book in the Crystalline Chapter.
Or google.=3D20=3D20
Here is one site:
http://s3.excoboard.com/crystal
John Britt=3D20
www.johnbrittpottery.com
ivor and olive lewis on tue 14 dec 10
Dear C Sullivan,
I have a feeling that your experience is the spearhead of a loss of
knowledge from the archives of mankind through the influence and reliance o=
n
electronic media.
It may be that you community has no access to a genuine library service
which you can rely on to supply the standard reference textbooks on which
education in the processes of ceramic arts and the skills of studio pottery
are based.
How long will it be before reliance on this W^3 Wiki World enfeebles our
ability to research a topic in both depth and breadth ?
Sincere regards,
Ivor Lewis,
REDHILL,
South Australia
John Rodgers on tue 14 dec 10
Ivor,
Well said. I see it coming like an approaching wave from sea rising ever
higher as it rolls over the sands of time.
I am old fashioned. I like my books that I can hold in my hand, that
have the page marker in them, that can be picked up with loving care and
dusted off if neglected to long, and the print is still there. No
inability to read the page due to stray static charges, no lost
information due to deterioration of the data storage medium, no crashed
hard drive with all data lost.
John
John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
On 12/14/2010 1:21 AM, ivor and olive lewis wrote:
> Dear C Sullivan,
>
> I have a feeling that your experience is the spearhead of a loss of
> knowledge from the archives of mankind through the influence and
> reliance on
> electronic media.
>
> It may be that you community has no access to a genuine library service
> which you can rely on to supply the standard reference textbooks on which
> education in the processes of ceramic arts and the skills of studio
> pottery
> are based.
>
> How long will it be before reliance on this W^3 Wiki World enfeebles our
> ability to research a topic in both depth and breadth ?
>
> Sincere regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis,
> REDHILL,
> South Australia
>
>
Lee Love on tue 14 dec 10
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:21 AM, ivor and olive lewis
wrote:
> Dear C Sullivan,
>
> I have a feeling that your experience
And someone wondered why new people hesitate to post here of late?
Here is what I found on my first search:
Professor Herbert Sanders, and listed in his book =3D93Glazes for Special
Effects=3D94 (p.30).
Sanders Crystalline Glaze #1:
Pemco 283: 68.42
Silica: 7.45
Zinc: 24.13
found here:
http://jessehull.com/2006/07/14/the-story-of-five-frits-pemco-283-gf-106-fu=
=3D
sion-f413-degussa-90208m-fusion-f644/
--
=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Lee Love on tue 14 dec 10
Another place where two recipes are listed:
http://members.ceinternet.com.au/gemopaladsl/more_crystals.htm
--
=3DA0Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
Taylor Hendrix on tue 14 dec 10
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ivor and John,
And many feared the printing press as well. It will ruin everything
important. We'll be swallowed in a sea of triviality. The death of
rigor... Oh no, how can we trust words not wrought by human hands?
Pity us, receivers of lies from the cold, heartless amanuensis of the
printing press. [add crying and sobbing here]
Bah humbug.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
wirerabbit1 on Skype (-0600 UTC)
http://wirerabbit.blogspot.com
http://wirerabbitpots.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wirerabbit/
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM, John Rodgers wrote:
> =3DC2=3DA0Ivor,
>
> Well said. I see it coming like an approaching wave from sea rising ever
> higher as it rolls over the sands of time.
...
William & Susan Schran User on tue 14 dec 10
On 12/14/10 2:21 AM, "ivor and olive lewis" wrote:
> It may be that you community has no access to a genuine library service
> which you can rely on to supply the standard reference textbooks on which
> education in the processes of ceramic arts and the skills of studio potte=
ry
> are based.
> How long will it be before reliance on this W^3 Wiki World enfeebles our
> ability to research a topic in both depth and breadth ?
Ivor,
I agree there are some out there that may have never gone into a library
unless forced to. Others often do a bit of searching online and believe
everything they read. While still others seem to just scream out into
cyberspace, "Gimmie the answers!"
During a recent research project, I spent a great deal of time searching fo=
r
information online. From my educational experience earlier in life having
done extensive research in The Library of Congress and receiving a great
deal of assistance in finding what I needed, I know the value of a good
library.
I now bring my research experience to cyberspace with an understanding of
how to look for exactly what I need. My searching has led me to a great dea=
l
of scholarly research writing in technical journals. Unfortunately most of
these sources often require membership or payment to read the information.
So it's back to my school library where I hand them a list of articles I
would like to see and I have them all within a week. I have even gotten an
entire copy of graduate thesis.
Bill
--
William "Bill" Schran
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
C Sullivan on tue 14 dec 10
Good Mornin' Ivor
You hit the nail on the head. The nearest library service is 50 miles
away. And i am currently snowed in my driveway. In the winter, the 2
highways leading here, close -- due to whiteouts and huge wind-driven snow
drifts -- even the UPS truck can't get thru to make deliveries. Forget
about going to the grocery store for milk. They are sold out until the
roads re-open and delivery trucks can get thru.
I've always been a research type person, (have been reading, avidly, since
the age of 4-years-old), -- my grown kids complain bitterly every time i
move into a new house with their standard comment being: "you don't need
all these books" -- and, of course, from their perspective, one can see
their point of view ! It generally takes us all a week (at the very
least) to carry all the boxed books (which are heavy) to the new location
!!! And that's only the books! Forget about the rest of the furniture, in
my opinion, it is expendable. Of course, the reference books are not . . .
.
I love books! But also believe in using every tool at hand to obtain
needed information. And that's -- every tool at hand -- to accomplish one'=
s
goals. While the internet used to be a great source -- a giant library, if
you will -- it no longer functions as a research tool nearly as well as it
used to ! Google a pottery technique, for instance, and 20 product
suppliers pop up on the computer screen. No real information there. Search
thru 9 pages of links until one finds a university link, add it to memory
(so you can find it again) and 6 months later when you try to access it --
the link is no longer available !!!
Other tools at hand, are, of course, a person's ability to try -- experimen=
t
-- practise -- take extensive notes on the procedures used and the results
of those efforts. ( When i opened the valves under the gas kiln's burners =
a
quarter of an inch, what was the heat ratio increase? Did this improve its
ability to reach the desired cone temps? What happened when i opened those
valves a half inch? Etc. Etc. Did this glaze work with these ingrediants a=
t
this temp fired in the gas kiln? Why not? What could i have done
differently to make it work?)
Other tools at hand, are other people's experience. ( Say have you tried
this? Did it work? How did you do that?) And, of course, being equally
supportive of their efforts: (Would you consider adding magnesium to that
glaze? It might help . . . . -- Or -- oh yes, i've experienced that and
here's what i found . . . .)
Sooooo !!! Ivor !!! I guess what i am trying to say here is: there are
many ways to "research" a topic and we should learn to use every available
tool at hand. If resources are short and books are unaffordable (as many
folks are currently experiencing) -- or -- if the books are out of print --
and thus, unavailable -- one should have other resources to rely on in orde=
r
to obtain their objectives.
In this day and age, the internet is one of those (especially if you can
find the data on the university sites), be careful of those sites in Europe
which while they offer excellent information, too often disappear.
Utilizing other folks experience and info is another tool.
It's like a carpenter trying to build a house -- without a saw, he can't cu=
t
the wood to complete the job !
Hugs
Chae
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:21 PM, ivor and olive lewis <
iandol@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Dear C Sullivan,
>
> I have a feeling that your experience is the spearhead of a loss of
> knowledge from the archives of mankind through the influence and reliance
> on
> electronic media.
>
> It may be that you community has no access to a genuine library service
> which you can rely on to supply the standard reference textbooks on which
> education in the processes of ceramic arts and the skills of studio potte=
ry
> are based.
>
> How long will it be before reliance on this W^3 Wiki World enfeebles our
> ability to research a topic in both depth and breadth ?
>
> Sincere regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis,
> REDHILL,
> South Australia
>
C Sullivan on tue 14 dec 10
Lee !!!
You are a tremendously valuable resource. Oh heck -- you -- are
tremendously valuable !!!
Thank you so much for providing the link.
I over-ran my time frame replying to Ivor moments ago and forgot to check
the gas kiln and increase the pressure valve, so have only glanced at the
site you provided -- put it in favorites -- and will get back to it in a fe=
=3D
w
minutes when the kiln doesn't need so much immediate attention !
Again
Thank you ever soooo much !!!
Hugs
Chae
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lee Love wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:21 AM, ivor and olive lewis
> wrote:
> > Dear C Sullivan,
> >
> > I have a feeling that your experience
>
> And someone wondered why new people hesitate to post here of late?
>
> Here is what I found on my first search:
>
> Professor Herbert Sanders, and listed in his book =3D93Glazes for Special
> Effects=3D94 (p.30).
>
> Sanders Crystalline Glaze #1:
> Pemco 283: 68.42
> Silica: 7.45
> Zinc: 24.13
>
> found here:
>
> http://jessehull.com/2006/07/14/the-story-of-five-frits-pemco-283-gf-106-=
=3D
fusion-f413-degussa-90208m-fusion-f644/
>
> --
> Lee, a Mashiko potter in Minneapolis
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> =3D93Observe the wonders as they occur around you. Don't claim them. Feel
> the artistry moving through and be silent.=3D94 --Rumi
>
ivor and olive lewis on wed 15 dec 10
William,
I appreciate your candour. I also get considerable assistance from our
visiting library.
I take it you have met what I call " The Elsevier Syndrome" (sp?) on WWW.
Your willingness to share your collected works with others is a gift that
enriches the "Clayart Experience."
Wishing you a happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
Ivor
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