David Woof on sat 18 dec 10
Lilli I ask you the same as others: just tell me factual information that p=
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roves your assertion that what I've said is dangerous. You obviously can't =
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do it so you pick on an insignificant typo or chose to rant on some philoso=
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phical issue which of course you have to take out of context to take issue =
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with at all. Fun to take you on if I was bored and had time but when corn=
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ered in a tight spot you will likely resort to calling me names including i=
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nfantile=3D2C juvenile.... So please stay focused and provide specific data=
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s to why it is unsafe. For the umteenth time I say it again that I was not=
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encouraging anyone to do it=3D2C just giving the physical facts so that fo=
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s could make informed decisions unbiased by unproven and irrational fears a=
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nd name calling.=3D20
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You should really brush up on your vocabulary so that we can communicate re=
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Does exercise of caution demand being responsible=3D2C while fear is a pass=
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e haven for the ignorant and weak?
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12. Fea and False Hoods
Posted by: "Lili Krakowski" mlkrakowski@CITLINK.NET=3D20
Date: Thu Dec 16=3D2C 2010 8:55 am ((PST))
David Woof writes:
"As I've reminded many times=3D3B folks only fear what they don't understan=
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and so develop myths to fill the void=3D2C which when repeated often enough=
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ecome unquestioned traditional thought based on error and false hoods."
Adore the typo!=3D20
However. David=3D2C sorry=3D2C but you are mistaken.
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James Freeman on sun 19 dec 10
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, David Woof wrote:
> Lilli I ask you the same as others: just tell me factual information that=
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proves your assertion that what I've said is dangerous.
David...
Last time I was at the local propane dealer, there were signs all over
the yard saying things like "No Smoking" and "No open flames" and
such, in HUGE letters. Why were the signs there?
All the best.
...James
James Freeman
"...outsider artists, caught in the bog of their own consciousness,
too preciously idiosyncratic to be taken seriously."
"All I say is by way of discourse, and nothing by way of advice.=3DA0 I
should not speak so boldly if it were my due to be believed."
-Michel de Montaigne
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesfreemanstudio/
http://www.jamesfreemanstudio.com/resources
Vince Pitelka on sun 19 dec 10
David Woof wrote:
"Lilli I ask you the same as others: just tell me factual information that
proves your assertion that what I've said is dangerous. You obviously can't
do it so you pick on an insignificant typo or chose to rant on some
philosophical issue which of course you have to take out of context to take
issue with at all. Fun to take you on if I was bored and had time but whe=
n
cornered in a tight spot you will likely resort to calling me names
including infantile, juvenile.... So please stay focused and provide
specific data as to why it is unsafe. For the umteenth time I say it again
that I was not encouraging anyone to do it, just giving the physical facts
so that folks could make informed decisions unbiased by unproven and
irrational fears and name calling."
Dear David -
Your suggestion to Lili that she brush up on her vocabulary is pretty
bizarre. As a general rule, we could all benefit from brushing up on our
vocabulary, but Lili is one of the most articulate Clayart members.
You are wasting your time when you ask us to come up with "proof" that it i=
s
dangerous to use a live burner to heat a propane tank, because all of the
dangers involve are so patently obvious, and to even suggest such a thing o=
n
Clayart is highly irresponsible, especially for a ceramic artist/educator o=
f
your caliber. You seem to be determined to defend your assertation that it
"can be done safely," and that is no to your credit, and in fact undermines
your credibility in general. Are you trying to come across as clueless?
Using a gas burner on to warm a propane tank cannot be done safely by any
studio potter, no matter how much money they invest in safety systems, and
it would be especially foolish when one considers that there are simple and
safe alternatives.
It is always a little odd when someone tries to defend an indefensible
premise by attempting to put the burden of proof on other people. There ar=
e
always an abundance of worthwhile things to discuss in or out of the clay
world on Clayart, so why should we cater to your quest for proof that using
a gas burner on a propane tank is unsafe, when we can all see so clearly
that it is incredibly foolish and dangerous. Give it up man. You are
better than this, and have much worthwhile to contribute.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Tech University
vpitelka@dtccom.net; wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka
Des & Jan Howard on mon 20 dec 10
James
Propane/butane lurking around from tank
refilling/leaking + air + suitable heat goes "Boom!".
Propane/butane tanks do not explode if strongly heated,
propane/butane tanks flare off through relief valves.
Oxygen/acetylene tanks go "Boom!" if strongly heated,
they do not have relief valves.
Knowledge plus caution enables,
ignorance plus fear immobilises.
Des
On 20/12/2010 12:33 AM, James Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, David Woof wrote=
:
> Lilli I ask you the same as others: just tell me factual information
> that proves your assertion that what I've said is dangerous.
> David...
> Last time I was at the local propane dealer, there were signs all over
> the yard saying things like "No Smoking" and "No open flames" and
> such, in HUGE letters. Why were the signs there?
> ....James
--
Des & Jan Howard
Lue Pottery
Lue NSW
Australia
2850
02 6373 6419
www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
-32.656072 149.840624
Philip Poburka on tue 21 dec 10
Hi Des, all...
While of course, one sees endless of those Porch or Patio Bar B Que set ups=
,
where, the Propane Tank is under the Grille if over to the side a little.
I suppose one could ask the Product Liability Underwriters their opinion,
or, just find it tacitly...
The whole matter of "No Smoking" around Propane Tanks, or Gas Station
Gasolene Pumps, is to pre-emptively soothe nervous people.
And or, a lit Cigarette is not capable of igniting even pooled and low
settled Propane or pooled Gasolene, whether tossed into either, or merely
innocently held.
Even if the Match or Lighter one may use to light a Cigarette, is (
capable ), were it to be low enough to do so.
So...
Just one of those things...
'Appearance's...and the management of appearances...
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Des & Jan Howard"
> James
> Propane/butane lurking around from tank
> refilling/leaking + air + suitable heat goes "Boom!".
> Propane/butane tanks do not explode if strongly heated,
> propane/butane tanks flare off through relief valves.
> Oxygen/acetylene tanks go "Boom!" if strongly heated,
> they do not have relief valves.
> Knowledge plus caution enables,
> ignorance plus fear immobilises.
> Des
>
> On 20/12/2010 12:33 AM, James Freeman wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, David Woof
>> wrote:
>> Lilli I ask you the same as others: just tell me factual information
>> that proves your assertion that what I've said is dangerous.
>> David...
>> Last time I was at the local propane dealer, there were signs all over
>> the yard saying things like "No Smoking" and "No open flames" and
>> such, in HUGE letters. Why were the signs there?
>> ....James
>
>
> --
> Des & Jan Howard
> Lue Pottery
> Lue NSW
> Australia
> 2850
>
> 02 6373 6419
> www.luepottery.hwy.com.au
> -32.656072 149.840624
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