Hidenori Ebiba on sun 11 jan 98
I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
name made by some company?
DONPREY on mon 12 jan 98
I sort of hate to mention this...but are you also considering the "product
liability" concern with making that kind of item?
Don Prey in Oregon
Ron Roy on tue 13 jan 98
You are playing with fire here - when testing any such clay it will be
necessary to anticipate the most ridiculous set of circumstances the ware
will be used under. Freezer to stove top - overheated and quenched. This
kind of technology requires lots of knowledge and control - particularly of
you are thinking of high fired vitreous ware. It would be best to use only
clay - no glaze.
My considered opinion - don't even think about it.
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
>withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
>name made by some company?
Ron Roy
93 Pegasus Trail
Scarborough,Canada
M1G 3N8
Evenings, call 416 439 2621
Fax, 416 438 7849
Studio: 416-752-7862.
Email ronroy@astral.magic.ca
Home page http://digitalfire.com/education/people/ronroy.htm
Craig Martell on tue 13 jan 98
At 11:17 AM 1/11/98 Hidenori Ebiba wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
>withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
>name made by some company?
Hi:
The type of clay that you are describing is usually called "Flameware". I
honestly don't know of anyone who markets flameware clays. I've never seen a
flameware body listed in any suppliers catalog. The reason these clays are
not stocked is probably liability because placing pots on hot stove tops can
cause the pieces to crack and even explode if they are not formulated and
fired correctly. I'm not saying this kind of ware can't be made and used,
I'm just throwing out the most probable reason these bodies are not seen in
supply catalogs.
If you want to read about flameproof bodies, find a copy of Ceramic Science
for the Potter by Lawrence and West. There is some good information in that
book and references to papers and research done on flameproof bodies. You
can do a search in the Readers Guide to Periodical Literature in the Library
and find articles in Ceramics Monthly that deal with flameware.
regards, Craig Martell-Oregon
Lili Krakowski on wed 14 jan 98
Not too long ago, I think in Clay Times, I think it was Steve Branfman
told in an article on insurance, about a potter who made topofthestove
ware, had it blow up, lost everything to the now-blind user of pot.
Catalogs used to carry flameware clay listings; but everyone has given
it up. For pity's sake, everyone; don't we play with fire enough not to
play with fire? Maybe the original questioner does not live in teh US or
any place where liability si a big deal. Still; play it safe, no matterm
where you are.
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Craig Martell wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> At 11:17 AM 1/11/98 Hidenori Ebiba wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
> >withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
> >name made by some company?
>
> Hi:
>
> The type of clay that you are describing is usually called "Flameware". I
> honestly don't know of anyone who markets flameware clays. I've never seen a
> flameware body listed in any suppliers catalog. The reason these clays are
> not stocked is probably liability because placing pots on hot stove tops can
> cause the pieces to crack and even explode if they are not formulated and
> fired correctly. I'm not saying this kind of ware can't be made and used,
> I'm just throwing out the most probable reason these bodies are not seen in
> supply catalogs.
>
> If you want to read about flameproof bodies, find a copy of Ceramic Science
> for the Potter by Lawrence and West. There is some good information in that
> book and references to papers and research done on flameproof bodies. You
> can do a search in the Readers Guide to Periodical Literature in the Library
> and find articles in Ceramics Monthly that deal with flameware.
>
> regards, Craig Martell-Oregon
>
Lili Krakowski
Tony Hansen on wed 14 jan 98
The more low expansion mineral like pyrophillite, kyanite in
a body the better it is. If you can get 50% or more in do it.
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Grimmer on thu 15 jan 98
Hi,
Another reason to not bother with this is that clay tends to be a
pretty lousy conductor of heat compared to, say, cast Iron,
aluminum, or stainless steel. Have you ever tried to cook in that
Corning Visions cookware? Food *always* scorches where the
burner is in contact with the pan bottom. The sides stay cool, as
does the handle. Try grabbing the handle of a cast iron pan, and
you'll quickly find out how much better a conductor it is. (Don't
really do that.)
Clay does, however, make a teriffic baking dish.
steve grimmer
marion illinois
At 11:17 AM 1/11/98 Hidenori Ebiba wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
> >withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
> >name made by some company?
>
Robert Katz on thu 15 jan 98
Ron,
I know this is the 'back door' way to collect information BUT :
Last year I bought a piece of stoneware from CREATED WITH CLAY, High Point,
N.C. Betty is the owner, VERY nice & a potter.
She could give you information #910-841-8792
or the area code just changed in N.C. it might be 332-910-8792.
The address is :
120 W. Lexington Ave.
High Point, N.C. ( do not have the zip-code )
I purchased a 'dipper'. Use is primarily to warm then pour things like
butter or chocolate . . . The clay body has a VERY high grog content & all
the pieces she had a yellow/cream glaze. FYI - although I nuke it( as I do
ALL my pottery), I have never used it on the burner!
Vicki Katz
Katz Creek Pottery
At 07:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>You are playing with fire here - when testing any such clay it will be
>necessary to anticipate the most ridiculous set of circumstances the ware
>will be used under. Freezer to stove top - overheated and quenched. This
>kind of technology requires lots of knowledge and control - particularly of
>you are thinking of high fired vitreous ware. It would be best to use only
>clay - no glaze.
>
>My considered opinion - don't even think about it.
>
>>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>>I'm looking for a clay that can be use on top of stove to cook and will
>>withstand burner heating. Does anyone know good recipe for it or any clay
>>name made by some company?
>
>Ron Roy
>93 Pegasus Trail
>Scarborough,Canada
>M1G 3N8
>Evenings, call 416 439 2621
>Fax, 416 438 7849
>Studio: 416-752-7862.
>Email ronroy@astral.magic.ca
>Home page http://digitalfire.com/education/people/ronroy.htm
>
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