Lili Krakowski on sat 15 jan 11
Ah, the new intolerance. Isn't it a peach? =3D20
DO NOT attend a Christmas sale, unless you are a faithful Christian. DO =
=3D
NOT buy pirogi from the Ukrainian Church's Lent Pirogi sale, because you =
=3D
are not of their persuasion. The Plant Sale at Notre Dame High School =3D
must be shunned by non Catholics...and on and on.
The underlying assumption here is what? That if you buy a pot from =3D
someone who advertizes that s/he is "born again" you will be ....Do you =3D
really think someone who believes what you do not, and does not believe =3D
what you do cannot be a serious potter, as=3D20
involved and serious as you? When one goes to Japan and buys pots does =
=3D
not subscribe to their beliefs? Does buying something made in China =3D
make one a Communist? =3D20
Cultures are permeated by beliefs. Everyone believes something. Just =3D
because that potter over there does not advertize his strong support of =3D
Flat Tax , or Vegan does not mean s/he does not believe...
Yes. IF someone sells pots while preaching Death to All XXX, or like =3D
that, you know they give money to the odious, and you do not
want to give them YOUR money. But beyond that?
The pot, the pot, the clay is what it is about. And that is the belief =3D
I preach!!! Shun me. Go ahead! I can use the peace and quiet.
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Lee on sat 15 jan 11
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Lili Krakowski w=
=3D
rote:
> Ah, the new intolerance. =3DA0Isn't it a peach?
>
> DO NOT attend a Christmas sale, unless you are a faithful Christian.
You got my point (Lili picks up irony every time.). Isn't that the
silliness of it all? It is called taking selective offense.
>Cultures are permeated by beliefs. Everyone believes something. Just bec=
=3D
ause that
> potter over there does not advertize his strong support of Flat Tax , or =
=3D
Vegan does not
>mean s/he does not believe...
That's the key. Proselytizing, even if it is simply pimping
your pots, will turn people off. Some people just want a mug for
their coffee. Others see using clay instead of plastic as a
political statement. Grown ups and talk about nuanced ideas.
Authoritarian personalities demand black and white rules.
A flexibility of mind demands that you adjust to the situation.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
paul gerhold on sat 15 jan 11
Lili,
Maybe I am not as with it as I think but I have not seem a lot of signs of
this "new intolerance" Do you have any actual evidence or are you just
creating another straw man.
If you really want peace and quiet maybe don't make such an effort to stir
controversy where none exists.
Paul:
Randall Moody on sat 15 jan 11
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Lili Krakowski w=
=3D
rote:
> Ah, the new intolerance. =3DA0Isn't it a peach?
>
> DO NOT attend a Christmas sale, unless you are a faithful Christian. =3DA=
0D=3D
O NOT buy pirogi from the Ukrainian Church's Lent Pirogi sale, because you =
=3D
are not of their persuasion. =3DA0The Plant Sale at Notre Dame High School =
mu=3D
st be shunned by non =3DA0Catholics...and on and on.
>
I must have missed a post where someone said this.
--=3D20
Randall in Atlanta
http://wrandallmoody.com
Dannon Rhudy on sat 15 jan 11
Lili said:
Ah, the new intolerance. Isn't it a peach?
Cultures are permeated by beliefs. Everyone believes something
...... Shun me. Go ahead! I can use the peace and quiet...........
Lili, thanks for pulling this discussion
up from it's descent into quibbling nonsense.
Of course it is about the clay. Mostly. Those
whose beliefs require them to require others
to share those beliefs must have a tough time
of it. Not to mention a hard sell.
Peace and quiet? Ho ho - you'll be lucky!
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Dannon Rhudy on sat 15 jan 11
Randall said:
Surely you jest. The point is and it still stands that
as a general rule if you don't want to loose a segment of your buying
public, it would be best to keep political statements and "hot topic"
issues out of your selling arena.
Indeed. That's what I said. Keep it out,
or lose sales. That's what YOU said. We
ALL said it.
Except some.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Randall Moody on sat 15 jan 11
Really?? Pulling it "up" by using a reductio ad absurdum
argument?!?!?! Surely you jest. The point is and it still stands that
as a general rule if you don't want to loose a segment of your buying
public, it would be best to keep political statements and "hot topic"
issues out of your selling arena. So far no argument has been put
forth to dispute that with any validity.
--=3D20
Randall in Atlanta
http://wrandallmoody.com
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dannon Rhudy wrote:
> Lili said:
> Ah, the new intolerance. =3DA0Isn't it a peach?
>
> Cultures are permeated by beliefs. =3DA0Everyone believes something
>
> ...... Shun me. =3DA0Go ahead! =3DA0I can use the peace and quiet........=
...
>
>
>
>
> Lili, thanks for pulling this discussion
> up from it's descent into quibbling nonsense.
>
> Of course it is about the clay. =3DA0Mostly. =3DA0Those
> whose beliefs require them to require others
> to share those beliefs must have a tough time
> of it. =3DA0Not to mention a hard sell.
>
> Peace and quiet? =3DA0Ho ho - you'll be lucky!
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
Lee on sat 15 jan 11
> m it's descent into quibbling nonsense.
>
> Of course it is about the clay.
=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 It is all about the clay.
>
> =3DA0Mostly. =3DA0Those
> whose beliefs require them to require others
> to share those beliefs must have a tough time
> of it.
=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0I've never met anybody with this perspective. =3DA0A =
straw man =3D
argument.
>
> Peace and quiet? =3DA0Ho ho - you'll be lucky!
=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 One of the nice aspects of doing work wi=
thin a theme=3D
, is
that the work and venues have a self-selected audience. =3DA0 =3DA0And it
actually is conducive to peace and quiet.
=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Folks make pots for a=3DA0variety=3DA0of=
reasons. =3DA0 We=3D
can milk
toast our perspective, but then we suffer from a lack of diversity.
=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0We bused (because of the snowfall a=
nd parking) to=3D
St.
Paul, to the Ordway to hear the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra. =3DA0 It was
Mozart, John Adams and Strauss. =3DA0 I would not have went to a concert
that only had John Adams or Strauss' work, but these were a good
combination. =3DA0 The interesting thing, is that while Mozart was great
(as I expected) Adams' =3DA0Shaker Loops was my favorite of the three. =3DA=
0 I
generally prefer classical to modern, but Shaker Loops was pretty
stunning.
It was used in Barfly, the movie about=3DA0Charles Bukowski (who my wife
hosted for a reading and had her in her home when she edited the
magazine Steppenwolf. Jean says in his reading contract he required
two sixpacks at the reading. She said it was for performance sake.
We was totally sober otherwise.)
I did not care for the Strauss, but it was really good to
hear his work.
When I lectured in Little Rock, there was a retrospective
of the late Viola Frey's work. I'd only seen individual pieces of her
work in person, here and there. I thought the retrospective helped
me understand her work more completely. Certainly, not as
enlightening as it would have been to talk to her personally about her
social politics.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
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