Philip Poburka on wed 19 jan 11
Hi Gina,
Did they say what the agency or aetiogen or contagion was?
BSE/nvCJD-ish kinda charm schools of troubles, would be one possible
concern, if one were to aspirate airborne particles of Hide...or be rubbing
one's cuts or open lesions on the Hides ( depending on what the Animal's
feed had been, and or what the Tanning methods, had been, or both, of
course...)
But...
Otherwise...hard to imagine ( for me anyway, ) what, or how, one could find
woes working with Goat Skin for making Drum Diaphrams.
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "gina mars"
> Hi All, I have received several warning on the use of goat skin. I
> was going to use it to make the doumbek drums. I am thinking
> leather now or some other material. I am about 40 minutes from Manhattan
> so I could take the train to the city and head on over to the garment
> district
> and find some leather . I have read the info about hides making people
> sick.
> That's the last thing I want to do. It's a crazy world out there.
> Gina Mars
> www.marspottery.net
gina mars on wed 19 jan 11
Hi All, I have received several warning on the use of goat skin. I
was going to use it to make the doumbek drums. I am thinking
leather now or some other material. I am about 40 minutes from Manhattan
so I could take the train to the city and head on over to the garment
district
and find some leather . I have read the info about hides making people
sick.
That's the last thing I want to do. It's a crazy world out there.
Gina Mars
www.marspottery.net
Carl Finch on wed 19 jan 11
At 11:07 AM 1/19/2011, gina mars wrote:
>Hi All, I have received several warning on the use of goat skin. I
>was going to use it to make the doumbek drums. I am thinking
>leather now or some other material. I am about 40 minutes from Manhattan
>so I could take the train to the city and head on over to the garment
>district and find some leather. I have read the info about hides
>making people sick.
Izzat what did it? And here I thought it was my lousy
drumming! (I've done storytelling in elementary schools and used a
goatskin-headed Taos Pueblo drum for accompaniment)
Carl Finch
in Medford, Oregon
David Woof on thu 20 jan 11
One must be careful with use of the general term "leather" which does not d=
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escribe the type and curing of skin used for specific purposes like drum he=
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ads. One does not use the same "leather" as for gloves=3D2C belts=3D2C and=
boo=3D
ts.
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When I've made drums I've used the belly skin of white tail deer as well as=
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goat skins. If one wants the ringing tautness only tightly stretched rawh=
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ide will impart one must not buy or use what we commonly refer to as soft t=
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anned leather.
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Properly prepared rawhide will shrink to a much smaller size than when worn=
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by=3D2C or freshly removed=3D2C from the animal. So when stretched wet an=
d an=3D
chored securely over a drum cavity it will shrink as it dries to the basic =
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tautness desired. Later=3D2C rewetting and the traditional tourniquet tigh=
te=3D
ning system allows one to take up any slack that develops and to tune and r=
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etune the drum as it ages.
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After a preliminary scraping and removal of extraneous bits of flesh and co=
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nnective tissue I prepared the hide by burying in the earth for several day=
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s to develop a good bacterial culture in the hair follicles=3D2C followed b=
y =3D
a submerged two day soak in water to ease the hair in slipping away. Then=
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a soak in a wood ash solution kills the bacteria and turns any remaining f=
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ats into a soap like solution that washes away in the final rinsing.=3D20
=3D20
Now while still wet the hide is ready for cutting and stretching onto the d=
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rum body. One can also stretch the hide over a bisqued clay mask form (or =
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shaped wooden form) to create some very interesting hide masks or other for=
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ms that once dried in situ=3D2C and then removed=3D2C will keep their shape=
whi=3D
le they mellow with the passing years.
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I think everyone who eats meat ought to be involved at least once in actual=
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ly taking the life=3D2C and preparing the hide for use in some useful daily=
a=3D
ctivity. It awakens one up to a deeper reverence for life and our responsi=
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bility toward all who share this planet in interconnected ways only beginni=
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ng to be known by those who consciously seek this understanding. Please h=
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ear the drum=3D2C you made with your own hands=3D2C and the life you took b=
egin=3D
to shape you and your understanding.
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David Thing Maker.....Clarkdale=3D2C AZ.
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4b. Re: Goat hide warning on doumbek drum
Posted by: "Vicki Hardin" hardinclay@SUDDENLINK.NET=3D20
Date: Thu Jan 20=3D2C 2011 4:27 am ((PST))
Thought I would share that I have purchased goat hide from both the
following and was well pleased with the product. They provide very clean
and professionally tanned hides.
Moscow Hide and Fur http://www.hideandfur.com/
Promised Land Ranch Tannery http://www.promiselandranch.net
I am not affiliated=3D2C other than having been a customer.
Vicki Hardin
http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
http://VickiHardin.com
At 11:07 AM 1/19/2011=3D2C gina mars wrote:
>Hi All=3D2C I have received several warning on the use of goat skin. I was
>going to use it to make the doumbek drums. I am thinking leather now or
>some other material. I am about 40 minutes from Manhattan so I could
>take the train to the city and head on over to the garment district and
>find some leather. I have read the info about hides making people sick.
=3D20
=3D20
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Vicki Hardin on thu 20 jan 11
Thought I would share that I have purchased goat hide from both the
following and was well pleased with the product. They provide very clean
and professionally tanned hides.
Moscow Hide and Fur http://www.hideandfur.com/
Promised Land Ranch Tannery http://www.promiselandranch.net
I am not affiliated, other than having been a customer.
Vicki Hardin
http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
http://VickiHardin.com
At 11:07 AM 1/19/2011, gina mars wrote:
>Hi All, I have received several warning on the use of goat skin. I was
>going to use it to make the doumbek drums. I am thinking leather now or
>some other material. I am about 40 minutes from Manhattan so I could
>take the train to the city and head on over to the garment district and
>find some leather. I have read the info about hides making people sick.
Dannon Rhudy on thu 20 jan 11
Vicki said:
Moscow Hide and Fur http://www.hideandfur.com/
Promised Land Ranch Tannery http://www.promiselandranch.net
There are several places in Wisconsin and Michigan
that sell tanned hides; you might try googling
"tanned hides/U.S.A" or some such.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
David Finkelnburg on sat 22 jan 11
David,
You have posted a very informative description of one way to make a
drumhead from a fresh hide. Nice work! Thanks for sharing.
Dave Finkelnburg
http://www.mattanddavesclays.com
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