steve graber on wed 26 jan 11
i have a 35,000 btu radiant heater that goes on top of a 5 galon=3DA0propan=
e =3D
=3D0Abottle.=3DA0 gets my workshop the same size quite warm.=3DA0 certainly=
a dif=3D
ferent =3D0Aclimate between us, but it's also a very fast heater and econom=
ic=3D
al.=3DA0 the heater =3D0Aburner thing was about $35 when i bought it a few =
year=3D
s back=3D0A=3DA0Steve Graber, Graber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, Californ=
ia USA=3D
=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for awesome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.=
com =3D
steve@graberspottery.com =3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp:/=
/www.lag=3D
unaclay.com/blogs/ =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A_______________________________=
_=3D0AFrom: =3D
Linda Shields =3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D=
0ASe=3D
nt: Wed, January 26, 2011 2:18:50 PM=3D0ASubject: studio heaters=3D0A=3D0AI=
final=3D
ly got back in the studio this weekend after multiple delays over the =3D0A=
la=3D
st year (orthopedic problems and being part of the sandwich =3D0Ageneration=
..=3D
helping parents and my kids).=3D0A=3D0AIt has been unusually cold here in S=
outh=3D
Dakota. So this seemed a great wee=3D3Dend =3D0Ato spend in the studio. I =
didn=3D
't stay warm even with long underwear, warm water =3D0Afor throwing, and ru=
nn=3D
ing the the clay through my pugmill to make the clay warm.=3D0A=3D0AI need =
a di=3D
fferent heating system. I have an electric heater mounted near the =3D0Acei=
li=3D
ng.=3DA0 It doesn't keep me warm and it has a fan.=3D0A=3D0AThe room (12x20=
) is c=3D
ement block under the garage and has a couple of windows =3D0Abut most of t=
he=3D
wall area is next to dirt.=3DA0 I thought a little heater would do =3D0Ait=
but=3D
it isn't enough plus the moving air I know is bad.=3D0A=3D0AI am thinking =
of r=3D
adiant panels one near the wheel and maybe one at the =3D0Aworkbench. I wan=
t =3D
to avoid a fan and don't have room for a wood or pellet stove.=3D0A=3D0ADoe=
s an=3D
yone have any suggestions for a different heating system?=3D0AThanks=3D0ALi=
nda=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Linda Shields on wed 26 jan 11
I finally got back in the studio this weekend after multiple delays over th=
=3D
e last year (orthopedic problems and being part of the sandwich generation.=
=3D
.helping parents and my kids).
It has been unusually cold here in South Dakota. So this seemed a great wee=
=3D
=3D3Dend to spend in the studio. I didn't stay warm even with long underwea=
r,=3D
warm water for throwing, and running the the clay through my pugmill to ma=
=3D
ke the clay warm.
I need a different heating system. I have an electric heater mounted near t=
=3D
he ceiling.=3DA0 It doesn't keep me warm and it has a fan.
The room (12x20) is cement block under the garage and has a couple of windo=
=3D
ws but most of the wall area is next to dirt.=3DA0 I thought a little heate=
r =3D
would do it but it isn't enough plus the moving air I know is bad.
I am thinking of radiant panels one near the wheel and maybe one at the wor=
=3D
kbench. I want to avoid a fan and don't have room for a wood or pellet stov=
=3D
e.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a different heating system?
Thanks
Linda
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Hank Murrow on wed 26 jan 11
On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Linda Shields wrote:
> I finally got back in the studio this weekend after multiple delays =3D
over the last year (orthopedic problems and being part of the sandwich =3D
generation..helping parents and my kids).
>=3D20
> It has been unusually cold here in South Dakota. So this seemed a =3D
great weekend to spend in the studio. I didn't stay warm even with long =3D
underwear, warm water for throwing, and running the the clay through my =3D
pugmill to make the clay warm.
>=3D20
> I need a different heating system. I have an electric heater mounted =3D
near the ceiling. It doesn't keep me warm and it has a fan.
>=3D20
> The room (12x20) is cement block under the garage and has a couple of =3D
windows but most of the wall area is next to dirt. I thought a little =3D
heater would do it but it isn't enough plus the moving air I know is =3D
bad.
>=3D20
> I am thinking of radiant panels one near the wheel and maybe one at =3D
the workbench. I want to avoid a fan and don't have room for a wood or =3D
pellet stove.
>=3D20
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a different heating system?
Well Linda;
I outfitted my studio, at the suggestion of John Glick, with radiant =3D
cove heaters which work on the principle of infrared radiation and are =3D
mounted near the juncture of wall and ceiling. The great advantage of =3D
infrared(whatever the type) is that there is no moving air at all. It =3D
works just like standing in the sun's light.
I addition, you don't really have to insulate the studio a great =3D
deal(though it helps). A great way to keep the radiant energy in your =3D
space is to line the walls and other surfaces with foil-covered =3D
bubblepack. 1/4" may be enough. The idea is that the radiant energy from =
=3D
your infrared heaters will bounce off these surfaces and keep moving =3D
around the studio until absorbed. The bubblepack strengthens the foil =3D
and provides a bit of insulation.=3D20
The other great thing about such a system is the berry even drying =3D
achieved with infrared. I dry my plates(which are very sensitive to =3D
uneven drying) on large tables and by rotating them in the middle of =3D
their drying, I can bring them to the trimming stage with no crisp =3D
edges. Perfect for trimming.
I think that an 8-foot long cove heater on each end, and two 6-foot cove =
=3D
heaters on each side would be a good layout for your space. They do not =3D
get more than 125F to touch, so they are very safe. Such a 6-cove setup =3D
might cost around $520 new, and if you are lucky and ask around among =3D
local heating companies, you might score some used ones. The electric =3D
load would be about 5400KW when the system is on. The final good thing =3D
about such a radiant system is that you don't need to run it all the =3D
time. You can turn it on while you are finishing your coffee or tea and =3D
in 10 minutes you can work in the space, and when you are finished for =3D
the day or for lunch, you can turn it off. So figure the price from your =
=3D
utility per KW/hr and determine how much it would cost to run per hour; =3D
and figure how many hours you'll be down there.
An idea perhaps you might pursue. Google 'radiant cove heaters' or go on =
=3D
eBay for a deal.
Cheers, Hank in Eugene=3D
WJ Seidl on wed 26 jan 11
Linda:
Perhaps you don't necessarily need a new heater. The concrete block
walls you mentioned were the tip off.
In our house, most of the basement is concrete, buried underground. It
gets damn cold here...like -20 for days.
We found that by installing that styrofoam insulation board on the
inside of the cellar walls (gluing it right to the concrete)
the basement went from being 30 degrees (complete with freezing
pipes...what joy!) to being 52.
Our styrofoam board is blue, but they do make pink . Ours is 1-1/2
inches thick.
Just a thought.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
On 1/26/2011 5:18 PM, Linda Shields wrote:
> I finally got back in the studio this weekend after multiple delays over =
the last year (orthopedic problems and being part of the sandwich generatio=
n..helping parents and my kids).
>
> It has been unusually cold here in South Dakota. So this seemed a great w=
ee=3Dend to spend in the studio. I didn't stay warm even with long underwea=
r, warm water for throwing, and running the the clay through my pugmill to =
make the clay warm.
>
> I need a different heating system. I have an electric heater mounted near=
the ceiling. It doesn't keep me warm and it has a fan.
>
> The room (12x20) is cement block under the garage and has a couple of win=
dows but most of the wall area is next to dirt. I thought a little heater =
would do it but it isn't enough plus the moving air I know is bad.
>
> I am thinking of radiant panels one near the wheel and maybe one at the w=
orkbench. I want to avoid a fan and don't have room for a wood or pellet st=
ove.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a different heating system?
> Thanks
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Lis Allison on thu 27 jan 11
On January 26, 2011, Linda Shields wrote:
> ....
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a different heating system?
Have you thought about moving the electric heater down to the floor? If it
is up at the ceiling it won't put the heat where you are.
I have a 30 x 30 studio, separate building, insulated etc. and a small
electric heater with fan keeps it tolerable even in our -30C weather. Not
cosy warm, but workable. If your room is insulated, you shouldn't have any
trouble.
Lee Valley Tools here in Ontario (google them, they do mail order) sells a
very affordable shop heater. 15Amps, radiant,no fan, two settings. Two of
them heat my ramshackle rickety I-really-need-a-new-one greenhouse.
Expensive to run, but very safe and dependable.
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
website: www.pine-ridge.ca
Pottery blog: www.studio-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Garden blog: www.garden-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Lee on thu 27 jan 11
I use a Kerosun like this one:
http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/portableheaters/O-105.mv
Will make the thermometer hit 90*F in a half hour. We heated
with heaters like this at my teacher's studio (one exactly like this)
and a couple more modern ones in our house in Japan.
I had a carbon monoxide detector in Japan and here and have
never had them sound off because of the heaters.
I typically get the heat up in the studio, turn it off and
let the oil radiator electric heater maintain the heat.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Lis Allison on thu 27 jan 11
On January 27, 2011, Lee wrote:
> I use a Kerosun like this one:
> http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/portableheaters/O-105.mv
>
I looked all over for one a couple of years ago for the greenhouse.
Unfortunately, it appears that selling kerosene in quantities larger than
8 oz. is illegal in Ontario. I don't know about the rest of Canada, and
don't know if larger quantities can be purchased some other way. All I
know is that there are no kerosene heaters for sale in any of the usual
hardware stores here, and the reason is that customers cannot buy the
kerosene. I even have a hassle buying some every year for lamps, which I
need because we do have hydro outages.
Propane can be used if you go the route of getting your setup approved,
and is quite economical. I intend to do that when I build my better
greenhouse, but for this winter I'm just limping through with electric
heaters. Ouch in the bank account, though.
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
website: www.pine-ridge.ca
Pottery blog: www.studio-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Garden blog: www.garden-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 27 jan 11
Linda, my studio is=3DC2=3DA0temporeraly setup in our garage. First thing w=
e di=3D
d was to insulate the walls and ceiling as best we can. The only drafty pla=
=3D
ce I still have is from underneith the garage door. Our plan is to move the=
=3D
garage door when we start renovating this house and build my studio, so I =
=3D
just live with the draft =3DC2=3DA0for now.=3D20
I wish I can recall who was=3DC2=3DA0the Clayarter that introduced me to en=
vi h=3D
eat.=3DC2=3DA0 I needed something safe to keep the clay from freezing (chec=
k th=3D
e archives). I ended up buying 4 envi heaters after lots of investigation i=
=3D
n all kinds of heating systems. I used to use a kerosine heater ( still cra=
=3D
nk it on very cold moments for an hour or so), but 99% of the time it is ju=
=3D
st my envi heaters that run.=3DC2=3DA0 Best thing is that I installed them,=
put=3D
them on high heat and forgot about them. They work 24/7=3DC2=3DA0@ 4 cents=
per=3D
hour. =3DC2=3DA0I am really happy with them.=3D20
Check out their website. ( http://www.eheat.com/ ) =3DC2=3DA0 It is all wha=
t th=3D
ey say. If I would buy one more, I will not have to use the kerosine at all=
=3D
, but this is not my permanent studio, so I do not want to over invest=3DC2=
=3D
=3DA0.=3D20
We installed the heaters close to the floor to allow=3DC2=3DA0rising =3DC2=
=3DA0air =3D
to be where I need it. The pannels are flat ( One will be able to build she=
=3D
lves around them if needed, just keep airflow free), cheap to o perate and =
=3D
I think=3DC2=3DA0very fair priced. No instalation costs. The instalation in=
stru=3D
ctions form, cleverly, =3DC2=3DA0part of the packaging materials and contai=
ns a=3D
template to help install them trouble free.=3DC2=3DA0It installs in minute=
s.=3D
=3D20
I work with porcelain and dare not allow moving air in the studio. It is qu=
=3D
iet and draft free.=3D20
I would recommend these heaters to any potter. My studio was 58F this morni=
=3D
ng when I walked in. Just remember they are low output heaters, so you will=
=3D
need to buy as many as is needed for your particular space. The only thing=
=3D
I can not speak for at the moment is their longlivety.=3D20
I hope this is helpful information.=3D20
Best wishes.=3D20
Antoinette Badenhorst=3D20
www.porcelainbyAntoinette.com=3D20
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: "Linda Shields" =3D20
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:18:50 PM=3D20
Subject: studio heaters=3D20
I finally got back in the studio this weekend after multiple delays over th=
=3D
e last year (orthopedic problems and being part of the sandwich generation.=
=3D
.helping parents and my kids).=3D20
It has been unusually cold here in South Dakota. So this seemed a great wee=
=3D
=3D3Dend to spend in the studio. I didn't stay warm even with long underwea=
r,=3D
warm water for throwing, and running the the clay through my pugmill to ma=
=3D
ke the clay warm.=3D20
I need a different heating system. I have an electric heater mounted near t=
=3D
he ceiling.=3DC2=3DA0 It doesn't keep me warm and it has a fan.=3D20
The room (12x20) is cement block under the garage and has a couple of windo=
=3D
ws but most of the wall area is next to dirt.=3DC2=3DA0 I thought a little =
heat=3D
er would do it but it isn't enough plus the moving air I know is bad.=3D20
I am thinking of radiant panels one near the wheel and maybe one at the wor=
=3D
kbench. I want to avoid a fan and don't have room for a wood or pellet stov=
=3D
e.=3D20
Does anyone have any suggestions for a different heating system?=3D20
Thanks=3D20
Linda=3D20
Lee on thu 27 jan 11
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Antoinette Badenhorst
>forgot about them. They work 24/7=3DA0@ 4 cents per hour. =3DA0I am really=
hap=3D
py with them.
That's what I was paying to keep the throwing area warm using my
electric oil radiator heater. Kept it at 32*F overnight. I
couldn't see spending money for heat when I wasn't out there, so I
moved all my clay into the basement.
Lis, they don't delivery fuel oil where you live? In Japan,
the nearest sizable city had kerosene piped to the house.
I go to Fleet Farm and pump kerosene from the pump.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Jim Willett on thu 27 jan 11
Hi Lis,
Not sure where in Ontario you live but Walmart sells kerosene at their Ot=
=3D
tawa=3D20
stores in the 3.78 liter size
http://www.walmart.ca/search?q=3D3Dkerosene&DepartmentID=3D3D0
Jim Willett
Lee on fri 28 jan 11
The black smoke isn't a problem. Carbon monoxide is invisible.
The newer heaters are very efficient and make no smoke. In Japan, we ha=
=3D
d
several plug in types with timers and fans. I haven't looked, but if
they aren't available yet, they should be soon, as fuel prices go through
the roof.
If you go to this page, you can see one of the kind we had:
http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/heating-homes-japan.html
--
Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97tha=
t is, "T=3D
he land
of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent within
itself." -- John O'Donohue
Alice DeLisle on fri 28 jan 11
A bit of caution might be in order for kerosene heaters. I used a kerosene
heater in my studio for a couple of years. It is very similar to the Kero-=
sun
referenced in previous posts. It heated things up very quickly and I reall=
y
liked it. I also had a carbon monoxide detector and it never went off. Ev=
ery
time the heater is lit or turned off, however, it emits black smoke. The w=
alls
of my studio are painted yellow. I noticed that when I took my clock down =
to
change the batteries, there was a bright yellow circle where the clock hung=
and
the wall around it was gray. I took other things off the wall and each was
covering a bright yellow area surrounded by gray yellow. The smoke from th=
e
kerosene heater was coating everything. That area would include my lungs. =
I
have since stopped using the kerosene in favor of another system.
Alice DeLisle
wanderland@att.net
http://www.etsy.com/shop/IslandTextures
Snail Scott on fri 28 jan 11
Kerosene around here is running $4.50/gallon,
pumped into your own container. I have put all
my kerosene heaters away. Not worth it. Propane
is a bit better, and our electrical co-op, in spite of
recent increases, still charges a pretty fair price.
All these costs are highly regional, though. Heating
electrically in Nevada was more expensive than
just burning the money directly.
Right now, it's cheaper for me to drive the 80-mile
round trip and work at the college studio than it
is to heat my own studio above freezing. The two
hours of lost time is the part that costs the most.
-Snail
Kathy Forer on fri 28 jan 11
I have been delighted with my Rinnai Direct Vent natural gas heater. =3D
Also comes in Propane.=3D20
http://www.houseneeds.com/shop/rinnai/rinnaigasheatersbuy.asp
The unit was expensive but has lowered the entire cost of heating my =3D
home by heating the cement block 3/4 basement. I have the larger one, =3D
for seven years now, and it keeps a 30'x40' space toasty at 58=3DB0 or =3D
when I'm not there on Low at 50=3DB0. Goes way warmer too!
Kathy Forer
Mike Gordon on fri 28 jan 11
Someone mentioned the oil/radiator heater, plug it in, thermostat
controlled, my neighbor had one and it worked fine. I ordered one.....
it didn't work, so I called.... they told me to cut off the plug, mail
it to them & they would send me another. I did...they did...... it
didn't work! I called, we repeated the process. The third one didn't
work either. So I called, they said send us the plug, wait a minute...
we've been through this & I'm stuck with the heater, minus the plug,
now I have to pay to get rid of the hulk. They talked it over and said
they would accept the heaters back and pay the postage. They also sent
me a refund of my original cost. Nice people, but I never got an
explanation of why they didn't work. A month or so later I saw them in
my local hardware store on sale. I resisted the urge to try again. Mike
Gordon
Lis Allison on fri 28 jan 11
On January 28, 2011, Alice DeLisle wrote:
> A bit of caution might be in order for kerosene heaters. I used a
> kerosene heater in my studio for a couple of years. ..... The smoke
from the kerosene heater was coating everything.
> That area would include my lungs. I have since stopped using the
> kerosene in favor of another system.
One thing to know about these heaters, like the lamps, is that the amount
of smoke depends on how much of the fuel is really being burned. Putting
the wick up too high (or having a malfunctioning automatic wick) can cause
more smoke. Not saying you did that, Alice, but others on the list may not
be aware.
Lis
--
Elisabeth Allison
Pine Ridge Studio
website: www.pine-ridge.ca
Pottery blog: www.studio-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
Garden blog: www.garden-on-the-ridge.blogspot.com
steve graber on sat 29 jan 11
it was common knowledge, although not lasting knowledge,=3DA030 years ago t=
ha=3D
t there =3D0Aare two kinds of kerosene.=3DA0 clear and cloudy.=3DA0 for ind=
oor us=3D
e, use the clear =3D0Agrade.=3DA0 it doesn't smoke.=3DA0 cloudy grade does.=
=3DA0 =3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0Aalso, in my old philadelphia region my mom suddenly saw her =
home d=3D
oors and =3D0Awindows condense up like mad and wondered why?=3DA0 she didn'=
t kn=3D
ow a byproduct of =3D0Acombustion was H2O.=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3DA0St=
eve Graber, Gr=3D
aber's Pottery, Inc=3D0AClaremont, California USA=3D0AThe Steve Tool - for =
awes=3D
ome texture on pots! =3D0Awww.graberspottery.com steve@graberspottery.com =
=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0AOn Laguna Clay's website=3D0Ahttp://www.lagunaclay.com/blogs/ =3D=
0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D
=3D0A=3D0A________________________________=3D0AFrom: Lis Allison RIDGE.=3D
CA>=3D0ATo: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=3D0ASent: Fri, January 28, 2011 2:08:1=
2 PM=3D
=3D0ASubject: Re: studio heaters=3D0A=3D0AOn January 28, 2011, Alice DeLisl=
e wrot=3D
e:=3D0A> A bit of caution might be in order for kerosene heaters.=3DA0 I us=
ed a=3D
=3D0A> kerosene heater in my studio for a couple of years. .....=3DA0 The s=
moke=3D
=3D0Afrom the kerosene heater was coating everything.=3D0A> That area would=
inc=3D
lude my lungs.=3DA0 I have since stopped using the=3D0A> kerosene in favor =
of a=3D
nother system.=3D0A=3D0AOne thing to know about these heaters, like the lam=
ps, =3D
is that the amount=3D0Aof smoke depends on how much of the fuel is really b=
ei=3D
ng burned. Putting=3D0Athe wick up too high (or having a malfunctioning aut=
om=3D
atic wick) can cause=3D0Amore smoke. Not saying you did that, Alice, but ot=
he=3D
rs on the list may not=3D0Abe aware.=3D0A=3D0ALis=3D0A=3D0A--=3D0AElisabeth=
Allison=3D0AP=3D
ine Ridge Studio=3D0Awebsite: www.pine-ridge.ca=3D0APottery blog: www.studi=
o-on=3D
-the-ridge.blogspot.com=3D0AGarden blog: www.garden-on-the-ridge.blogspot.c=
om=3D
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
Linda Shields on tue 1 feb 11
Thanks very much to all who were so generous with possible solutions to my =
=3D
cold studio.
=3DA0
=3DA0I found some very useful ideas in your repsonses.
Probably I will start by moving in a portable radiator heater I have and ma=
=3D
ybe try some heat lamps.=3DA0Eventually maybe some radiant panels.=3D20
=3DA0
I liked the idea of the heating pad for puppies wrapped around my wheel ;-)=
=3D
.
=3DA0
Below zero and looking forward to spring!
Linda
=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A
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