Dana Om Pottery on thu 27 jan 11
That is so odd. I bought a bunch of glaze making materials from West Cerami=
cs in
NY. They gave me nothing. Is it because i was purchasing as a individual an=
d not
a business?
dana
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: WJ Seidl
To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 1:14:28 PM
Subject: Re: could you explain more about the MSDS binder?
Dana:
In the US, anyone operating a business is all too familiar with MSDS
requirements.
Basically, any material you buy these days, including most glaze
chemicals and clay powders
have to come with an MSDS (material safety data sheet) at the time of
delivery to you.
The firm selling it MUST supply you with one.
You have to keep them, put them in a binder, and have them available for
anyone that wants to see it.
If you change suppliers for any material (say, ball clay) you remove the
old sheet once your supply of that material is gone
and put in its place the new MSDS you got from your new supplier when
you got your new ball clay.
Yes, you can have more than one MSDS for the same type of material, it
depends on where you got it.
If you order "XYZ" ball clay from Axner, and then order the same "XYZ"
ball clay from Continental, you can have only one
MSDS, since they're both from XYZ corp. (the manufacturer of the
material is responsible for creating the MSDS sheet)
but if the manufacturer is different, you need to keep the MSDS for
each manufacturer.
This is more an OSHA thing for industry (or it started out that way) but
now, the general assumption is that if the place used by humans
and chemicals are to be found there, so must the MSDS. I'm guessing it
is because employees have the right to know to what they are exposed.
Remember too, that ALL chemicals (wet, dry or other) have to be properly
labeled and stored. Big fines for that if you don't.
When we ran a cleaning service, each spray bottle (we sometimes had the
same chemicals in spray bottles in 50 different locations in the city)
has to be labeled...even water. We put an MSDS binder in each of our
cleaning cabinets in the janitor's closets, and had to keep them locked.
Writing on (say) a spray bottle with a magic marker isn't enough,
either. It has to be basically the same information you find on the
"big" container...mixing instructions, hazard info, usage instructions
etc. secured to the spray bottle by tape or glue to make it "permanent".
Yes, it's a nightmare. I spent hours at a scanner and copier every
month trying to stay in compliance.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
On 1/27/2011 11:28 AM, Dana Om Pottery wrote:
> Can I get more of a lesson in the MSDS binder and labels?
>
> I learned to throw in a commercial studio that taught nothing about safet=
y.
> There were fans running inside during the summer. Glaze was mixed in a ro=
om
off
> the studio with the door opened at times and I was never taught the safet=
y
> issues in breathing in glaze dust. No discussion was ever had regarding c=
lay
> dust or i was told by one teacher who actually had a education in clay th=
at
the
> worry was overrated.
>
> Dana
> \
>
>
Joseph Herbert on fri 28 jan 11
Dana wrote: "That is so odd. I bought a bunch of glaze making materials fro=
m
West Ceramics in NY. They gave me nothing. Is it because i was purchasing a=
s
a individual and not a business?"
As with all regulations, some people who are required to comply are more
observant than others. You certainly can get a MSDS if you ask, or you can
find one on line. You should try to make sure you are getting the sheet fo=
r
the same material. Generally, if it is a non-manufactured material (like
clay or feldspar) the content of any MSDS with that name will suffice. If
it is a brand named material, like goo gone or Elmer's glue, the one from
the actual manufacture is what you need. Remember, the sheets contain
safety precautions related to the material. If the material (feldspar) fro=
m
10 different suppliers will be essentially the same, a sort of generic set
of safety precautions can apply. If the material from a particular
manufacturer is unique, the safety precautions could be as well.
About the line drawn between what is required for persons and for
businesses: I will have to say I surprised that Santa Fe Clay (and other
ceramic suppliers, as well) will sell any material without any warning at
all. They sell barium carbonate and all the heavy metal colorants labeled
like any of their other materials: brown bag with a name. As noted by
others, the federal requirement is in place to protect employees in the
workplace. It is probably required that Santa Fe Clay inform the people
they have weighing and repackaging the materials of the safety concerns.
That same information is not, then, passed on to their customers. I would
bet there are potters buying from Santa Fe Clay who have helpers who are no=
t
informed, since the potters are not informed. There are those exceptions
for businesses with fewer than 10 employees, but that makes any injury to
those fewer-than-ten people no less deplorable.
When I mentioned to the sales person (who was probably also a re-packager)
that they were selling unmarked poison, they were unimpressed and dismissed
the question. I guess we should be glad that arsenic has not found a place
in glaze formulae. Buyer beware, indeed.
Joe
Joseph Herbert
Training Developer
Eric Hansen on fri 28 jan 11
It isn't odd. If you run a shop with employees you put together an
MSDS binder. You contact all your suppliers and manufacturers and get
the paperwork and get it all squared away. It has to be labeled and
available. It is often the first place workers turn to in case of
poisoning or contamination due to spills, spill response, etc.
- h a n s e n -
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Dana Om Pottery w=
=3D
rote:
> That is so odd. I bought a bunch of glaze making materials from West Cera=
=3D
mics in
> NY. They gave me nothing. Is it because i was purchasing as a individual =
=3D
and not
> a business?
>
>
> dana
>
>
> =3DA0\
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: WJ Seidl
> To: Clayart@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 1:14:28 PM
> Subject: Re: could you explain more about the MSDS binder?
>
> Dana:
> In the US, anyone operating a business is all too familiar with MSDS
> requirements.
> Basically, any material you buy these days, including most glaze
> chemicals and clay powders
> have to come with an MSDS (material safety data sheet) at the time of
> delivery to you.
> The firm selling it MUST supply you with one.
> You have to keep them, put them in a binder, and have them available for
> anyone that wants to see it.
>
> If you change suppliers for any material (say, ball clay) you remove the
> old sheet once your supply of that material is gone
> and put in its place the new MSDS you got from your new supplier when
> you got your new ball clay.
> Yes, you can have more than one MSDS for the same type of material, it
> depends on where you got it.
>
> If you order "XYZ" ball clay from Axner, and then order the same "XYZ"
> ball clay from Continental, you can have only one
> MSDS, since they're both from XYZ corp. (the manufacturer of the
> material is responsible for creating the MSDS sheet)
> =3DA0but if the manufacturer is different, you need to keep the MSDS for
> each manufacturer.
>
> This is more an OSHA thing for industry (or it started out that way) but
> now, the general assumption is that if the place used by humans
> and chemicals are to be found there, so must the MSDS. =3DA0I'm guessing =
it
> is because employees have the right to know to what they are exposed.
>
> Remember too, that ALL chemicals (wet, dry or other) have to be properly
> labeled and stored. =3DA0Big fines for that if you don't.
>
> When we ran a cleaning service, each spray bottle (we sometimes had the
> same chemicals in spray bottles in 50 different locations in the city)
> has to be labeled...even water. =3DA0We put an MSDS binder in each of our
> cleaning cabinets in the janitor's closets, and had to keep them locked.
> Writing on (say) a spray bottle with a magic marker isn't enough,
> either. =3DA0It has to be basically the same information you find on the
> "big" container...mixing instructions, hazard info, usage instructions
> etc. secured to the spray bottle by tape or glue to make it "permanent".
>
> Yes, it's a nightmare. =3DA0I spent hours at a scanner and copier every
> month trying to stay in compliance.
>
> Best,
> Wayne Seidl
>
> On 1/27/2011 11:28 AM, Dana Om Pottery wrote:
>> Can I get more of a lesson in the MSDS binder and labels?
>>
>> I learned to throw in a commercial studio that taught nothing about safe=
=3D
ty.
>> There were fans running inside during the summer. Glaze was mixed in a r=
=3D
oom
> off
>> the studio with the door opened at times and I was never taught the safe=
=3D
ty
>> issues in breathing in glaze dust. No discussion was ever had regarding =
=3D
clay
>> dust or i was told by one teacher who actually had a education in clay t=
=3D
hat
> the
>> worry was overrated.
>>
>> Dana
>> \
>>
>>
>
--=3D20
Eric Alan Hansen
Stonehouse Studio Pottery
Alexandria, Virginia
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