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mice and ethics

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paul gerhold on thu 21 apr 11


If you are going to shoot it, fish for it, or trap it, you should eat it!
Anything other course of action is of dubious moral value. And I am not
kidding. If you don't like mice in your studio make the place mouse proof.
It ain't that hard.

Paul

James Freeman on thu 21 apr 11


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM, paul gerhold wr=
ote:
If you are going to shoot it, fish for it, or trap it, you should eat it!
Anything other course of action is of dubious moral value. And I am not
kidding. If you don't like mice in your studio make the place mouse proof.
It ain't that hard.





Having seen the error of my ways, I agree completely, Paul. The logic of
course holds also for flies, mosquitoes, roaches, spiders, rats, ticks...
or do we rationalize away things that are not "cute"? And once a mouse
outwits our "mouse proof" home, perhaps running through an open door as you
are entering, or one carelessly left open by a child, then said vermin must
be granted full rights of occupancy, never to be harassed, unless of course
you are going to eat him. Makes perfect sense.

All the best.

...James

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Bob Seele on thu 21 apr 11


On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, James Freeman wrote:

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM, paul gerhold
wrote:
If you are going to shoot it, fish for it, or trap it, you should eat
it!
Anything other course of action is of dubious moral value. And I am not
kidding. If you don't like mice in your studio make the place mouse
proof.
It ain't that hard.





Having seen the error of my ways, I agree completely, Paul. The logic
of
course holds also for flies, mosquitoes, roaches, spiders, rats,
ticks...
or do we rationalize away things that are not "cute"? And once a mouse
outwits our "mouse proof" home, perhaps running through an open door
as you
are entering, or one carelessly left open by a child, then said vermin
must
be granted full rights of occupancy, never to be harassed, unless of
course
you are going to eat him. Makes perfect sense.

All the best.

...James


LOFLOL

If I shoot a bank robber or a raping man or woman, should I eat him
or her ?

bs

WJ Seidl on thu 21 apr 11


Bob and Paul:

Does anyone remember the movie "Demolition Man" with Sylvester Stallone?
At one point, he's in the storm sewers under the city, and buys a
"burger" from a vendor.
When it's mentioned to him that "do you see any cows around here?" he
asks the vendor
what kind of meat is in the burger. The answer is "raton, senor" (rat, Mr.=
)
Today, in parts of Ecuador, those cute little guinea pigs that we in the
US keep as pets are served
roasted on a stick (like a popsicle). They're quite tasty. So it's not
too far a stretch to believe
that if a rat were kept in clean environs, fed decent grains, they also
would be quite tasty.
(I can hear you all going "Ewwwww!!!" Well, sorry folks, but squirrel
and rabbit are also rodents,
and those are REALLY tasty.

Do the research, look at other cultures...roasted scorpions, grubs,
ants...most everything is
edible, and eaten by someone somewhere. We've gotten spoiled in our
"civilized" society.

Back in the 1870s, not too long after that awfully inconvenient Civil
War fuss
there were trials for pirates that plied the southern waters.
I remember reading a transcript written during one of the trials, that
mentioned
"long pig". Even today, long pig is a euphemism for human flesh.
It's said that we do indeed taste like pork.
I never want to find out.

But I can look around and see that some of us have certainly been
fattened enough.
Oink! .

Best,
Wayne Seidl

On 4/21/2011 4:52 PM, Bob Seele wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, James Freeman wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:54 PM, paul gerhold
> wrote:
> If you are going to shoot it, fish for it, or trap it, you should eat
> it!
> Anything other course of action is of dubious moral value. And I am not
> kidding. If you don't like mice in your studio make the place mouse
> proof.
> It ain't that hard.
> ----------------------------------
> Having seen the error of my ways, I agree completely, Paul. The logic
> of
> course holds also for flies, mosquitoes, roaches, spiders, rats,
> ticks...
> or do we rationalize away things that are not "cute"? And once a mouse
> outwits our "mouse proof" home, perhaps running through an open door
> as you
> are entering, or one carelessly left open by a child, then said vermin
> must
> be granted full rights of occupancy, never to be harassed, unless of
> course
> you are going to eat him. Makes perfect sense.
>
> All the best.
>
> ...James
>
>
> LOFLOL
>
> If I shoot a bank robber or a raping man or woman, should I eat him
> or her ?
>
> bs
>

Kathy Forer on fri 22 apr 11


On Apr 21, 2011, at 8:33 PM, WJ Seidl wrote:

> Do the research, look at other cultures...roasted scorpions, grubs,
> ants...most everything is
> edible, and eaten by someone somewhere. We've gotten spoiled in our
> "civilized" society.

It's not just eating the creature that confers respect to the life taken. P=
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ople once wore feathers, teeth and skins as symbols of those animal lives.

It's self-defeating to be at war with the whole animal kingdom, save for th=
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sweet and cuddly, useful or tasty. Animals kill to eat or defend their spa=
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e as do humans. It's when killing becomes meaningless and cruel that we los=
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balance and diversity.=3D20

I kill stink bugs with intent, though no glee. I've almost grown to respect=
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asps though I don't want them nesting near my porch. Cat-killed moles are t=
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rown to the woods to be eaten by less fussy creatures or returned to soil, =
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r buried at sea, with thoughts for the simplest expiration of life.=3D20

Interspecies friendships fascinate many people. We see the animals as the i=
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dividuals they are and are privy to unique trusting co-existence. They keep=
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ach other alive.=3D20


Kathy=3D

Eric Hansen on thu 28 apr 11


yes there is a mouse in the studio - fattened up on all the bird seed
she/he can eat by squeezing out under the door. The mouse will have to
fend for itself against the hawk, but it generally prefers squirrel or
bird which are easily hunted down by daylight.
- h -

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Kathy Forer wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2011, at 8:33 PM, WJ Seidl wrote:
>
>> Do the research, look at other cultures...roasted scorpions, grubs,
>> ants...most everything is
>> edible, and eaten by someone somewhere. =3DA0We've gotten spoiled in our
>> "civilized" society.
>
> It's not just eating the creature that confers respect to the life taken.=
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People once wore feathers, teeth and skins as symbols of those animal live=
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s.
>
> It's self-defeating to be at war with the whole animal kingdom, save for =
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the sweet and cuddly, useful or tasty. Animals kill to eat or defend their =
=3D
space as do humans. It's when killing becomes meaningless and cruel that we=
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lose balance and diversity.
>
> I kill stink bugs with intent, though no glee. I've almost grown to respe=
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ct wasps though I don't want them nesting near my porch. Cat-killed moles a=
=3D
re thrown to the woods to be eaten by less fussy creatures or returned to s=
=3D
oil, or buried at sea, with thoughts for the simplest expiration of life.
>
> Interspecies friendships fascinate many people. We see the animals as the=
=3D
individuals they are and are privy to unique trusting co-existence. They k=
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eep each other alive.
>
>
> Kathy



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