Lee on sat 23 apr 11
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM, John Rodgers wrote:
> Ya' know - there are many things that can be of great use, but are
> dangerous if precautions aren't observed. =3DA0Even a simple pen knife wi=
ll
> cut if you don't take precautions.
That's true. For example, knowing that copper causes leaching and
reading about copper water pots in India and copper and brass door
plates being, unlike stainless steel, anti-bacterial, I have started
using a copper liner glaze in my vases. You remember grandma putting
pennies in vases to keep the water from going green? Pennies don't
have enough copper in them any longer. But a glaze can.
No need to freak people out, except to sell a book. Sharing
knowledge is far better than causing fear.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
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7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
mel jacobson on sat 23 apr 11
in past times the word stupid was often used
to minimize the races. you can fill in the blanks.
now it has become a common political/social theme.
`how can you believe that, you are really stupid`.
that ends all debate. if you are stupid, how can
anyone take you seriously? it also assumes that the
speaker is brilliant. usually not so at all.
it is perhaps the most deadly of all debate
techniques. we now see it all the time.
lead was used indiscriminately for ages.
it was the natural flux for most everything.
it was probably used in medicine.
i would guess that the seriousness of lead use
did not hit america until maybe???? 1955.
now everyone questions everything about lead.
and, all are world experts.
it still has amazing uses. it just needs care and
intelligent proper handling. and of course, venting during
firing.
it is like the people who think they are going to die
even if they `see` a piece of asbestos.
we do create fear tactics that are way beyond the edges.
that list of false prophets is very long. i still cannot believe
that we are not all dead because of sars, and the sky was
falling over ozone. now it is considered a non.factor.
aerosol has nothing to do with ozone layer. the
list goes on and on.
mel
from: minnetonka, mn
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
alternate: melpots7575@gmail.com
Paul Lewing on sat 23 apr 11
On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:16 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
it still has amazing uses. it just needs care and
intelligent proper handling. and of course, venting during
firing.
I think this stigma about lead is one of my biggest stumbling blocks
to getting potters to accept china painting. Yes, it has lead in it,
but it doesn't volatilize during firing the way lead glazes do. Not
hot enough.
I always say that water will kill you. Sunshine will kill you. Fire
will kill you. But we deal with those everyday. It just takes
knowledge and care. But it's easier to have a rule book than it is to
have a brain. It's like the "zero tolerance" policies toward drugs
that gets a kid expelled for giving a friend an aspirin. Stupid.
Paul Lewing
www.paullewingtile.com
www.paullewingart.com
John Rodgers on sat 23 apr 11
Is that the ever-loving truth!!
My bank was selling some foreclosed equipment, including one brand-new,
never-used, 90 cu. ft. gas kiln. valued at $20,000. Some local potter
came by and had a look, saw a few fibers sticking out of the refractory
fiber insulation walls and declared, "you will never sell this. That
stuff causes cancer!" The banker in charge freaked. No auction, he just
dumped the kiln and associated equipment for the first offer - $2450.00.
And of course in a foreclosure if there is an outstanding debt, the
banks go after whomever for the difference between the selling price
or auction sale price and the value stated in the mortgage contract.
When working a construction job on a school in Eagle River, Alaska, the
specs called for hardened, coated and sealed, asbestos shingles be used
on the roof of the building around a decorative perimeter wall the
architects had designed. It's position was approx. 20 feet up the side
of the building. Special tools, equipment, clothing and chemicals were
brought on site for the installation, to protect all involved in the
installation, and all around after the installation. The panels were
waaay out of reach of the pedestrian traffic at the school. Word got out
there was asbestos going into the school and the locals panicked. They
went to the school board who in turn forced the architectural firm to
redesign the top of the building to eliminate the asbestos. The
contractor had already ordered and taken delivery on the site of
$50-60,000 worth of asbestos shingles. The school board had to pay for
them, and the contractor buried them in a very, very deep hole in the
ground, per the architects instructions, still in their wrappers, still
in their boxes. What a crock!
Ya' know - there are many things that can be of great use, but are
dangerous if precautions aren't observed. Even a simple pen knife will
cut if you don't take precautions.
John
John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
On 4/23/2011 9:16 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
> it is like the people who think they are going to die
> even if they `see` a piece of asbestos.
>
> we do create fear tactics that are way beyond the edges.
Edouard Bastarache on sat 23 apr 11
Paul,
right on!!!
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/edouard.bastarache
http://blogsalbertbastarache.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lewing"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: stupid and lead
> On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:16 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
>
> it still has amazing uses. it just needs care and
> intelligent proper handling. and of course, venting during
> firing.
> I think this stigma about lead is one of my biggest stumbling blocks
> to getting potters to accept china painting. Yes, it has lead in it,
> but it doesn't volatilize during firing the way lead glazes do. Not
> hot enough.
> I always say that water will kill you. Sunshine will kill you. Fire
> will kill you. But we deal with those everyday. It just takes
> knowledge and care. But it's easier to have a rule book than it is to
> have a brain. It's like the "zero tolerance" policies toward drugs
> that gets a kid expelled for giving a friend an aspirin. Stupid.
> Paul Lewing
> www.paullewingtile.com
> www.paullewingart.com
>
Edouard Bastarache on sat 23 apr 11
John,
Man-made mineral fibers are not considered carcinogenic up here..
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/edouard.bastarache
http://blogsalbertbastarache.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rodgers"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: stupid and lead
> Is that the ever-loving truth!!
>
> My bank was selling some foreclosed equipment, including one brand-new,
> never-used, 90 cu. ft. gas kiln. valued at $20,000. Some local potter
> came by and had a look, saw a few fibers sticking out of the refractory
> fiber insulation walls and declared, "you will never sell this. That
> stuff causes cancer!" The banker in charge freaked. No auction, he just
> dumped the kiln and associated equipment for the first offer - $2450.00.
> And of course in a foreclosure if there is an outstanding debt, the
> banks go after whomever for the difference between the selling price
> or auction sale price and the value stated in the mortgage contract.
>
> When working a construction job on a school in Eagle River, Alaska, the
> specs called for hardened, coated and sealed, asbestos shingles be used
> on the roof of the building around a decorative perimeter wall the
> architects had designed. It's position was approx. 20 feet up the side
> of the building. Special tools, equipment, clothing and chemicals were
> brought on site for the installation, to protect all involved in the
> installation, and all around after the installation. The panels were
> waaay out of reach of the pedestrian traffic at the school. Word got out
> there was asbestos going into the school and the locals panicked. They
> went to the school board who in turn forced the architectural firm to
> redesign the top of the building to eliminate the asbestos. The
> contractor had already ordered and taken delivery on the site of
> $50-60,000 worth of asbestos shingles. The school board had to pay for
> them, and the contractor buried them in a very, very deep hole in the
> ground, per the architects instructions, still in their wrappers, still
> in their boxes. What a crock!
>
> Ya' know - there are many things that can be of great use, but are
> dangerous if precautions aren't observed. Even a simple pen knife will
> cut if you don't take precautions.
>
> John
>
> John Rodgers
> Clayartist and Moldmaker
> 88'GL VW Bus Driver
> Chelsea, AL
> Http://www.moldhaus.com
>
>
> On 4/23/2011 9:16 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
>> it is like the people who think they are going to die
>> even if they `see` a piece of asbestos.
>>
>> we do create fear tactics that are way beyond the edges.
>
C. Tullis on sun 24 apr 11
I was chatting with a lady friend the other day about the fun of firing o=
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wood kilns to cone 10. The possible dangers came up and she said, "Oh yea=
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, I'm=3D20
afraid I can get hurt putting air in my tires but, get me around a hot k=
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iln and=3D20
I'm in there with everybody else."
Fred Parker on mon 25 apr 11
This is a huge mystery to me yet, as Mel points out, it is done all the t=
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ime
in today's political debates, usually by those who actually know very lit=
=3D
tle
about the facts but are well-versed in the "talking points." My experien=
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ce
with these people has been that they are almost always unwilling to liste=
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n
to any opposing opinion, but willing to go to any extreme to highlight ju=
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st
how brilliant and superior they believe themselves to be. How anyone cou=
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ld
possibly believe a good way to convince someone to change over to their
point of view by lobbing such personal insults is beyond me.
Then again, maybe "stupid" does have a place here...=3D20=3D20=3D20
Fred Parker
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:16:37 -0500, mel jacobson wrot=
=3D
e:
>in past times the word stupid was often used
>to minimize the races. you can fill in the blanks.
>
>now it has become a common political/social theme.
>`how can you believe that, you are really stupid`.
>
>that ends all debate. if you are stupid, how can
>anyone take you seriously? it also assumes that the
>speaker is brilliant. usually not so at all.
>
>it is perhaps the most deadly of all debate
>techniques. we now see it all the time.
>
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