Mel Jacobson on tue 20 jan 98
kurt wild and bob holman did some wonderful experiments with
gold and copper lustres on blackware. (perhaps 1975)
for years it was the signature of kurts ware. wonderful stuff. he used
a simple mouth sprayer....stuck to the dull surface....
also, the use of a thick soft pencil decoration on blackware is interesting.'
just fire normal and the gold, copper, bronze, and pencil graphite just
sticks....
mel/mn
http://www.pclink.com/melpots
Leslie Ihde on wed 21 jan 98
Youre right, Janet, the leaf doesn't need to be fired. I'm experimenting
to fine a way to make the leaf durable. For appearance only, gold leaf
attached with size is fine. But you'll notice there are industrially
produced cups with gold- I want to know how that is done since those items
are dishwasher safe.
Leslie
Leslie Ihde on wed 21 jan 98
Mel-
when you say fire "normal" do you mean cone 6? Do you know anything about
the gold used on pieces produced by commercial industres, like factory
made mugs made with gold rims? (ie Gevalia coffee puts some out.) I want
my gold to stand up to use.
Thanks
Leslie in Vestal NY
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Mel Jacobson wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> kurt wild and bob holman did some wonderful experiments with
> gold and copper lustres on blackware. (perhaps 1975)
>
> for years it was the signature of kurts ware. wonderful stuff. he used
> a simple mouth sprayer....stuck to the dull surface....
>
> also, the use of a thick soft pencil decoration on blackware is interesting.'
>
> just fire normal and the gold, copper, bronze, and pencil graphite just
> sticks....
> mel/mn
>
>
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
Elizabeth A. Ringus on wed 21 jan 98
Hi, as a older potter and member of several southern ladies garden clubs, (I
guess they figured that admitting me as a member would mean that I shouldn't
mind getting my hands dirty!) I learned something recently about gold edged
commercial ware to which you are referring, is NOT recommended for washing in
a dishwasher. I have it on authority of the higher powers in the social set
that have all that fine china and silver service ware, that the dishwashing
soaps are detrimental to the gold edges and will cause them to wear off if you
do not hand wash those dishes. Believe me, these ladies would certainly use
the dishwasher in a New York minute, if not for this fact. Any commercial
china makers out there want to comment on this?
Liz in SC (USA) who always gets the job of planting the flowers - of course!
Leslie Ihde wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Youre right, Janet, the leaf doesn't need to be fired. I'm experimenting
> to fine a way to make the leaf durable. For appearance only, gold leaf
> attached with size is fine. But you'll notice there are industrially
> produced cups with gold- I want to know how that is done since those items
> are dishwasher safe.
> Leslie
rscorl on thu 22 jan 98
Mudskippers,
Miss Elizabeth is correct. I use to manage a kitchenware store and the
manufacturers always said "Don't put it in a dishwasher!". UNLESS it is UNDER a
glaze. If in fact this gold is an underglaze decoration, NO PROBLEMO!
Ron Big Baby Head Pottery
Elizabeth A. Ringus wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> is NOT recommended for washing in
> a dishwasher. , that the dishwashing
> soaps are detrimental to the gold edges and will cause them to wear off if you
> do not hand wash those dishes.
Janet H Walker on fri 23 jan 98
Working with gold is covered in various books on china painting.
Just happened to see a review of a recent one in the Winter 97/98
issue of Contact: "Easy Onglaze Techniques for China Painters and
Potters" by Heather Tailor, A&C Black Publishers, 96 pages, paperback.
Somehow I doubt that a quest for cheap gold will lead to real gold.
Good luck,
Jan Walker
Cambridge MA USA
kurt wild on sat 24 jan 98
Mel Jacobson wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> kurt wild and bob holman did some wonderful experiments with
> gold and copper lustres on blackware. (perhaps 1975)
>
> for years it was the signature of kurts ware. wonderful stuff. he used
> a simple mouth sprayer....stuck to the dull surface....
>
> also, the use of a thick soft pencil decoration on blackware is interesting.'
>
> just fire normal and the gold, copper, bronze, and pencil graphite just
> sticks....
> mel/mn
>
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots
I really had the best luck with copper lusster thinned with lacquer
thinner at a rate of about 15 parts thoinner to 1 part luster. Spray
a couple of thimes being carefull not to get too much on at once or it
will run. Of course, the less thinner the heavier the copper look.
Heidrun Schmid on sun 30 may 99
while looking for a turquoise glaze cone 5-7 in the archives I thought
I had seen a whole chapter on GOLD, goldcoloured glazes for different
temperatures, how to apply gold leaf etc, today I went back and can't
find a trace of it. Does anyone know about the site? The word gold was
in bold black letters. I am at my wit's end, would be very happy to find
the site again! Heidrun
sharonia628 on tue 24 jan 12
James:
this may not be what you want, but I use gold enamel as a decorative
effect. Called: porcelaine (by Pebeo), this is for ceramics or glass. You
paint it on, let it dry 24 hrs, fire for 30 min in a 300 degree oven. My
experience is that it is just as permanent as gold leaf and a whole lot
easier and less toxic to apply. I've even stuck it in the dishwasher.
cheers.
Sharon
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sharonia628 on tue 24 jan 12
James:
here is a link to them - DickBlick has a full line (hard to find in crafts
stores nowadays).
They do have a choice between Pebeo and something called Vitrea which is
less opaque- I would choose the pebeo line. They have a couple of colors of
gold and, of course, silver and brass. In the crafts stores you will find
other brands, "Folkart" and such, which I have used, but the Pebeo is
definitely the best.
http://www.dickblick.com/products/pebeo-porcelaine-150/
Sharon
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www.sharonmiranda.com
Lee on tue 24 jan 12
Another possible way is to glaze the bottom with a lower temp glaze.
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