DJ Brewer on sun 19 jun 11
Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
, with 2 to 4%alumina
. I was wondering if I could just
use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
thanks in advance for any insights.
DJ
DJ Brewer on sun 19 jun 11
My friend uses diatomaceous earth on his dogs instead of flea powder.
He says it kills the fleas in a couple of hours by dehydrating them, and
he seems to think its better than flea powder because its natural.
Aparently, its marketed as a flea killer:
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/pets-animals.php?gclid=3DCJqTzKPAw6kCFQsj7A=
odlA1Vkw
much thanks to everyone for their responses. By the way, I ordered
some, and I will be wearing my resperator when I put it on the dog, and
will cover his mouth and nostrils with a cloth when applying it.
DJ
On 6/19/2011 9:52 PM, Nancy Gallagher wrote:
> You want to use silica to 'dust' the dog's coat? My feeling is that your =
dog is going to shake, like dogs tend to do, and you'll all end up breathin=
g in a whole lot of silica dust. Not good any way you think about it.
>
> Nancy Gallagher
> http://www.gallagherpottery.com
>
> On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:30 PM, DJ Brewer>> I was wondering if I could just
>> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
>> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>>
>> thanks in advance for any insights.
>>
>> DJ
WJ Seidl on sun 19 jun 11
Careful DJ...
Diatomaceous Earth (commonly called DE) comes in two grades, food grade
and pool grade.
Pool grade is the one you do NOT want to use on anything except your
pool filter.
The crystalline structure is different and sharper, and can actually
cause micro-abrasions on your dog's skin.
(However, mixed with a few drops of dish soap, I can tell you it makes a
GREAT hand cleaner for greasy grimy hands,
but so does white sugar, cornmeal, and a few other things.)
I've read of people using DE in their animal's coats for fleas, as you
suggested, but using food grade.
I've also heard of people swearing by mixing it into animal feed
(including dogs and cats) to rid them
of intestinal worms. No idea as to the efficacy of that, but the claims
for it come from many different sources,
so there may be something to it.
Use food grade only, and don't breathe the dust!
It might make an interesting substitution for silica in glazes. I
haven't tried it.
Test, test, test!
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Maine
That said, I do know that they are mixing DE with concrete to lighten
the mixture.
On 6/19/2011 8:30 PM, DJ Brewer wrote:
> Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
> wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
> , with 2 to 4%alumina
> . I was wondering if I could just
> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>
> thanks in advance for any insights.
>
> DJ
>
Edouard Bastarache on sun 19 jun 11
http://smart2000.pagesperso-orange.fr/terre_diatomee.htm#english
Gis,
Edouard Bastarache
Spertesperantisto
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/edouard.bastarache
http://blogsalbertbastarache.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Brewer"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: diatomacious earth?
> Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
> wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
> , with 2 to 4%alumina
> . I was wondering if I could just
> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>
> thanks in advance for any insights.
>
> DJ
>
Nancy Gallagher on sun 19 jun 11
You want to use silica to 'dust' the dog's coat? My feeling is that your do=
g=3D
is going to shake, like dogs tend to do, and you'll all end up breathing i=
n=3D
a whole lot of silica dust. Not good any way you think about it.=3D20
Nancy Gallagher
http://www.gallagherpottery.com
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:30 PM, DJ Brewer > I was wondering if I could just
> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>=3D20
> thanks in advance for any insights.
>=3D20
> DJ
Paul Herman on sun 19 jun 11
DJ,
I know some stuff about diatomaceous earth, but not about dusting the
dogs and cats. I have heard it works as an insecticide by it sharp and
prickly nature. It cuts into the bugs and bleeds them to death.
I know it was the first "insulating firebrick" and that blocks of DE
cut directly from the earth could be used above 2,000F. I use a
granular form to make a home made insulating plaster or castable
refractory for kilns. It's great stuff. My insulating mud has a
density and insulating value similar to K23 brick. I buy the DE at the
Napa auto parts store as "floor dry" grease absorbent. It's cheap.
best,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
www.greatbasinpottery.com/
On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:30 PM, DJ Brewer wrote:
> Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
> wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
> , with 2 to 4%alumina
> . I was wondering if I could
> just
> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to
> kill
> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>
> thanks in advance for any insights.
>
> DJ
Joan Klotz on sun 19 jun 11
I think it would be very bad for their lungs, diatomaceous earth
works because of its structure, lots of sharp corners to break
through the chitin coat of fleas - its probably not so good for lungs eithe=
r.
Joan Klotz,
Venice CA.
At 05:30 PM 6/19/2011, DJ Brewer wrote:
>Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
>wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
>, with 2 to 4%alumina
>. I was wondering if I could just
>use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
>the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>
>thanks in advance for any insights.
>
>DJ
jonathan byler on sun 19 jun 11
ie. the silica in the bag from your glaze room is *not* something you
want to be dusting on your animals. it is probably not as much
amorphous silica as DE is.
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Edouard Bastarache wrote:
> http://smart2000.pagesperso-orange.fr/terre_diatomee.htm#english
>
> Gis,
>
> Edouard Bastarache
> Spertesperantisto
>
> Sorel-Tracy
> Quebec
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30058682@N00/
> http://edouardbastarache.blogspot.com/
> http://www.facebook.com/edouard.bastarache
> http://blogsalbertbastarache.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ Brewer"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:30 PM
> Subject: diatomacious earth?
>
>
>> Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
>> wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
>> , with 2 to 4%alumina
>> . I was wondering if I could
>> just
>> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to
>> kill
>> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>>
>> thanks in advance for any insights.
>>
>> DJ
>>
Paul Herman on mon 20 jun 11
Hi Gary,
I'm sure it would be way cheaper than fiber, and it won't squash down
and lose it insulating properties.
I mix it by volume, using two grades of DE, half about 6 mesh and half
about 20 mesh. These are the two kinds that the auto parts store has,
and they call it "floor dry." I don't know if you can get the same
stuff back there in Michigan, but it's worth trying. I know it is
mined out west here.
By volume:
2 DE (4 mesh)
2 DE (20 mesh)
1 fireclay
water to taste
You mix up a thick plaster and trowel it on. I imagine you could do
several layers and get a few inches thick. On the outer layer of our
kiln we added in a little portland cement to make it more permanent.
We have it up to two inches thick, but it's over 2.5" of insulating
fire brick. I think you need at least several inches on the outside of
your kiln, and preferably under the floor too, in order to make the
kiln easy to fire. It might be effective to use some chicken wire in
the outer coat to hold it all together. We call the stuff insmud, or
just mud, and use it to seal and coat the doors of the kiln.We put a
1-2 inch coat on the hard brick doors, and it makes a huge difference
on how much heat you can feel radiating off the brick. It's great stuff.
good firings,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
www.greatbasinpottery.com/
On Jun 20, 2011, at 7:30 AM, gary navarre wrote:
> So Paul, what did you mix with the DE to make the insulating plaster
> and how thick did you slather it on the kiln? Ya think it would be
> cheaper than a layer of blanket?
>
> Gary Navarre
> Navarre Pottery
> Navarre Enterprises
> Norway, Michigan, USA
> http://www.NavarrePottery.etsy.com
> http://www.youtube.com/GindaUP
> http://public.fotki.com/GindaUP/
David Finkelnburg on mon 20 jun 11
DJ,
You ask a good question about ground quartz (silica) versus diatomaceou=
s
earth (DE).
DE is what's left from ancient sea floor deposits of the bodies of
enormous numbers of diatoms. Diatoms are little sea creatures. The skeleton
of a tiny diatom is almost all silica. Because DE is a collection of a lot
of skeletons, it is much more open and porous than ground silica, which is
what allows it to be used as a filter aid. I would not expect ground quartz
to have the insecticidal properties of DE.
Good potting!
Dave Finkelnburg
http://www.mattanddavesclays.com
-----------------------------
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:30:00 -0500 DJ Brewer djbrewer88@COMCAST.NET wrote:
Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
, with 2 to 4%alumina
. I was wondering if I could just
use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
gary navarre on mon 20 jun 11
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Ron Roy on mon 20 jun 11
Hi DJ,
Very fine silica - just the kind you and your dog want to avoid.
RR
Quoting DJ Brewer :
> Diatomacious earth is a natural pesticide and flea killer. I read on
> wikipedia it is mainly 80 to 90%silica
> , with 2 to 4%alumina
> . I was wondering if I could just
> use some of the 50 lb bag of silica to dust into the dog's coats to kill
> the fleas. Does anyone know much about diatomacious earth?
>
> thanks in advance for any insights.
>
> DJ
>
gary navarre on mon 20 jun 11
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Bonnie Staffel on mon 20 jun 11
One of the interesting things I saw when I was teaching in Denmark was =3D
their
diatomacious earth mine. It was at the shore line of the sea, and the =3D
mining
cut through the layers and it was like a ribbon as the earth moved and
folded the layers. Having various layers of earth materials such as =3D
iron,
etc., the ribboning effect was wondrous. Somewhere in my mountain of =3D
slides
I have a photo, but cannot put my hands on it right now.
=3D20
Bonnie
=3D20
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
http://vasefinder.com/bstaffelgallery1.html
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Introduction to Wheel Work
Charter Member Potters Council
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John Britt on tue 21 jun 11
DJ,
Imagine that...I have a recipe for it!
#10. WOOD ASH Glaze cone 10
Rottenstone-=3D09=3D09100.0 g
Diatomaceous earth -=3D0910.0 g.
Wood ash-=3D09=3D0930.0 g.
Milk of Magnesia-=3D092 tsps.=3D09
It is from the "Local Materials" article that was in CM.
http://johnbrittpottery.com/writings/articles/local-materials/
johnbrittpottery.com
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