mel jacobson on sun 24 jul 11
so much of our `sort of fun` adventure into water is
a metaphor for life.
when you have no idea what you are doing, and do not
understand what your materials are and how to use them...but
then become a quick expert by telling others what is safe and
not safe...you become a fool. it also helps destroy the profession.
we are working hard every day to prevent ceramics from being
taken from the schools...as it is `dangerous`. potters often
help move the fools along as we chat about `danger and safety
as if potters are dying by the thousands every year across the globe.
not the case.
thousand are killed each year by cars. we buy them all the time. never
even get excited about the news of a 6 car pile up...ten dead. tsk, too ba=
d.
i have attached a pix on my website (clayart page, click below)of my
pal butch and me sitting
next to his four foot saw blade. to look at it...you would say.
`shut that damn mill down now.` well, he has cut thousands of miles
of boards on that mill. since he was 11 years old. he has all of his fing=
ers.
he knows trees, wood and saws. he built the mill himself and uses
a cummings truck engine and transmission to run the mill. it works like
a charm.
he is a very safe guy. but, as he says....`i know what i am doing.`
and, you can take that to the bank.
many do not have a clue where ceramics materials come from.
`oh, a plastic bag.`
mel
from: minnetonka, mn
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
clayart link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
new book: http://www.21stcenturykilns.com
alternate: melpots7575@gmail.com
pdp1 on sun 24 jul 11
Hi Larry,
Quite so!
I had a funny thing happen a while back -
A mutual friend had introduced me to a fellow who was supposedly a pretty
heavy Historian of European History from the 1700s to the present.
All sorts of credentials, articles, teaching positions past, middle-aged,
on and
on, and, I thought it would be fun and interesting to visit and have some
conversation.
Anyway, he stops by, and, my abbreviate Office is about the only amenity
left here now, so, we were about to sit down there and I was making some
Coffee, and, he sees an older 'Uberti' reproduction of a Colt 3rd Model
Dragoon sitting on the shelf of the Wall behind my Computer and up a little
from it, and, he flips out...
Gushing about how "GUNS KILL PEOPLE!!!" and really agitated...pointing at
it, retreating from it about six feet, anyway...
I asked him, seeing he is a 'Historian' and so on, if he recognised the
Model?
He did not...
I got him calmed down, and, he confessed he did not recognise anything abou=
t
the Revolver, so I explained to him what Model it was, where it was in the
continuity of developments, where it was, roughly, in 'History' for the US
and to some degree, in Europe ( Balaklava, 'The Light Brigade', - some of
those fellows had them, ) on and on and, we soon find,
he knew less than nothing about Firearms in History or in any other manner
whatever,
and posessed only the vicarious or second hand and introjected emotional
hysteria he had acquired as a 'liberal' academic.
Finally got to where I was able to show it to him, explain it's function,
and, let him hold it.
( The 3rd Model Colt Dragoon was introduced in 1851 and discontinued in
1860, and is what is called a 'Cap & Ball' Revolver, using Black Powder,
and, the Cylinder is Loaded from the Front, with Powder, then Ball or other
shape Projectile, and, then one applies a Percussion 'Cap' to the Nipples a=
t
the Cylinder's Rear...and the example we had on hand, was not Loaded ).
Well, at that point, with the introductory lead-ins and so on, holding it
now, he was grinning Ear to Ear, and he REALLY liked the old
thing, very animate and vivid about it, very 'positive', and was aiming it
at things in the Shop and was just entirely taken with it.
I invited him to go out to the Range with me sometime and to enjoy having
some instruction, where, he could try it out a little ( with reduced Loads,
since it would all be new to him ), and, he enthusiastically agreed, but we
have not done so yet.
Funny old 'world'...
Lol...
I have met many 'Anti-Gun' people through the years, and upon inquirey,
absolutely none of them had any knowledge or understanding about 'Guns' nor
any actual informed or practical experience with them
whatsoever.
If they had any experience, it was some jerk 'boyfriend' or relative or
whatever who handed them a .44
Magnum with "HOT" Hand Loads, and, said "Here, try this!" And they did and
hated it.
These are the people who if able, would insist to tell everyone else what t=
o
do.
Kind of how so many things are, isn't it?
Those who's only relationship to something is hysteria of ignorance and
uninformed re-action and zero
practical experience, are so often the mose vehemant voices about or agains=
t
it.
Oye...
Love,
Phil
Lv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Kruzan"
> Somewhere I have a photo of a couple buddies and sitting on a pallet of
> 155mm artillery shells, eating our "C" rats. Untold piles of destruction
> ready to go down-range, but we were perfectly safe. When my mother saw th=
e
> photo she didn't see that I was letting her know all was well, she only
> saw
> the ton of high explosives under our butts. I never did make her believe
> that they could NOT blow up without a detonator in the tip. Sort of like
> the
> people who think that a household with a gun in it is a dangerous home.
> Fear
> of tools and materials is ridiculous, fear showing a lack of education an=
d
> training.
> Larry Kruzan
> Lost Creek Pottery
> An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
>
>
>
> <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>
> he is a very safe guy. but, as he says....`i know what i am doing.`
> and, you can take that to the bank.
>
> many do not have a clue where ceramics materials come from.
> `oh, a plastic bag.`
> mel
Larry Kruzan on sun 24 jul 11
Somewhere I have a photo of a couple buddies and sitting on a pallet of
155mm artillery shells, eating our "C" rats. Untold piles of destruction
ready to go down-range, but we were perfectly safe. When my mother saw the
photo she didn't see that I was letting her know all was well, she only saw
the ton of high explosives under our butts. I never did make her believe
that they could NOT blow up without a detonator in the tip. Sort of like th=
e
people who think that a household with a gun in it is a dangerous home. Fea=
r
of tools and materials is ridiculous, fear showing a lack of education and
training.
Larry Kruzan
Lost Creek Pottery
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>
he is a very safe guy. but, as he says....`i know what i am doing.`
and, you can take that to the bank.
many do not have a clue where ceramics materials come from.
`oh, a plastic bag.`
mel
gwynneth rixon on mon 25 jul 11
Guns don't kill people....other people do.
Guns are hunting tools, and the interaction between their development and
use and History is interesting and sometimes frightening.
gz
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:14 AM, pdp1 wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
>
>
> Quite so!
>
>
> I had a funny thing happen a while back -
>
>
> A mutual friend had introduced me to a fellow who was supposedly a pretty
> heavy Historian of European History from the 1700s to the present.
>
> All sorts of credentials, articles, teaching positions past, middle-aged=
,
> on and
> on, and, I thought it would be fun and interesting to visit and have some
> conversation.
>
> Anyway, he stops by, and, my abbreviate Office is about the only amenity
> left here now, so, we were about to sit down there and I was making some
> Coffee, and, he sees an older 'Uberti' reproduction of a Colt 3rd Model
> Dragoon sitting on the shelf of the Wall behind my Computer and up a litt=
le
> from it, and, he flips out...
>
> Gushing about how "GUNS KILL PEOPLE!!!" and really agitated...pointing at
> it, retreating from it about six feet, anyway...
>
>
>
gwynneth rixon on mon 25 jul 11
Hmm, that wasn't meant to be an any wing comment! You just have to wonder
why there are so many guns about, whatever country you are in, and some fol=
=3D
k
are too ready to use them on others. and yes, it can be beautiful
craftsmanship.
gz
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:38 AM, gwynneth rixon
> wrote:
> > Guns don't kill people....other people do.
> > Guns are hunting tools, and the interaction between their development a=
=3D
nd
> > use and History is interesting and sometimes frightening.
>
> Don't you love how narrow rightwing politics are allowed here, but
> the other guy has to shut up if he responds?
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis A Gun Toting, Meat Eating Liberal
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> "Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D97t=
hat is, =3D
"The
> land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
> within itself." -- John O'Donohue
>
Carl Cravens on mon 25 jul 11
Good one, Phil.
We hate and fear what we do not know and understand. That has always been =
the way of Man.
Maybe instead of banning guns, we should have mandatory firearms training c=
lasses. The right to bear arms means a responsibility to know how, doesn't=
it?
We can have that right after the mandatory ceramics appreciation classes. =
You have to have ceramics appreciation first, otherwise people'll be callin=
g up Brad Sondahl and asking him for more pie plates for shooting practice.
On 07/24/2011 10:14 PM, pdp1 wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
>
>
> Quite so!
>
>
> I had a funny thing happen a while back -
>
>
> A mutual friend had introduced me to a fellow who was supposedly a pretty
> heavy Historian of European History from the 1700s to the present.
>
> All sorts of credentials, articles, teaching positions past, middle-aged,
> on and
> on, and, I thought it would be fun and interesting to visit and have some
> conversation.
>
> Anyway, he stops by, and, my abbreviate Office is about the only amenity
> left here now, so, we were about to sit down there and I was making some
> Coffee, and, he sees an older 'Uberti' reproduction of a Colt 3rd Model
> Dragoon sitting on the shelf of the Wall behind my Computer and up a litt=
le
> from it, and, he flips out...
>
> Gushing about how "GUNS KILL PEOPLE!!!" and really agitated...pointing at
> it, retreating from it about six feet, anyway...
>
> I asked him, seeing he is a 'Historian' and so on, if he recognised the
> Model?
>
> He did not...
>
> I got him calmed down, and, he confessed he did not recognise anything ab=
out
> the Revolver, so I explained to him what Model it was, where it was in th=
e
> continuity of developments, where it was, roughly, in 'History' for the U=
S
> and to some degree, in Europe ( Balaklava, 'The Light Brigade', - some of
> those fellows had them, ) on and on and, we soon find,
> he knew less than nothing about Firearms in History or in any other manne=
r
> whatever,
> and posessed only the vicarious or second hand and introjected emotional
> hysteria he had acquired as a 'liberal' academic.
>
>
> Finally got to where I was able to show it to him, explain it's function,
> and, let him hold it.
>
>
> ( The 3rd Model Colt Dragoon was introduced in 1851 and discontinued in
> 1860, and is what is called a 'Cap & Ball' Revolver, using Black Powder,
> and, the Cylinder is Loaded from the Front, with Powder, then Ball or oth=
er
> shape Projectile, and, then one applies a Percussion 'Cap' to the Nipples=
at
> the Cylinder's Rear...and the example we had on hand, was not Loaded ).
>
>
> Well, at that point, with the introductory lead-ins and so on, holding it
> now, he was grinning Ear to Ear, and he REALLY liked the old
> thing, very animate and vivid about it, very 'positive', and was aiming i=
t
> at things in the Shop and was just entirely taken with it.
>
> I invited him to go out to the Range with me sometime and to enjoy having
> some instruction, where, he could try it out a little ( with reduced Load=
s,
> since it would all be new to him ), and, he enthusiastically agreed, but =
we
> have not done so yet.
>
>
> Funny old 'world'...
>
>
> Lol...
>
>
> I have met many 'Anti-Gun' people through the years, and upon inquirey,
> absolutely none of them had any knowledge or understanding about 'Guns' n=
or
> any actual informed or practical experience with them
> whatsoever.
>
> If they had any experience, it was some jerk 'boyfriend' or relative or
> whatever who handed them a .44
> Magnum with "HOT" Hand Loads, and, said "Here, try this!" And they did an=
d
> hated it.
>
> These are the people who if able, would insist to tell everyone else what=
to
> do.
>
>
> Kind of how so many things are, isn't it?
>
> Those who's only relationship to something is hysteria of ignorance and
> uninformed re-action and zero
> practical experience, are so often the mose vehemant voices about or agai=
nst
> it.
>
>
> Oye...
>
>
> Love,
>
>
> Phil
> Lv
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Kruzan"
>
>> Somewhere I have a photo of a couple buddies and sitting on a pallet of
>> 155mm artillery shells, eating our "C" rats. Untold piles of destruction
>> ready to go down-range, but we were perfectly safe. When my mother saw t=
he
>> photo she didn't see that I was letting her know all was well, she only
>> saw
>> the ton of high explosives under our butts. I never did make her believe
>> that they could NOT blow up without a detonator in the tip. Sort of like
>> the
>> people who think that a household with a gun in it is a dangerous home.
>> Fear
>> of tools and materials is ridiculous, fear showing a lack of education a=
nd
>> training.
>> Larry Kruzan
>> Lost Creek Pottery
>> An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>
>> he is a very safe guy. but, as he says....`i know what i am doing.`
>> and, you can take that to the bank.
>>
>> many do not have a clue where ceramics materials come from.
>> `oh, a plastic bag.`
>> mel
>
--
Carl D Cravens (ccravens@excelii.com), Ext 228 (620.327.1228)
Senior Software Developer, Systems Administrator
Arnold Howard on mon 25 jul 11
On 7/24/2011 3:45 PM, Larry Kruzan wrote:
> Somewhere I have a photo of a couple buddies and sitting on a pallet of
> 155mm artillery shells, eating our "C" rats. Untold piles of destruction
> ready to go down-range, but we were perfectly safe. When my mother saw th=
e
> photo she didn't see that I was letting her know all was well, she only s=
aw
> the ton of high explosives under our butts.
There is a famous picture of a WWII Marine sitting on a Naval 16"
unexploded shell emptying his shoe. The shell had probably skidded along
the sand when it landed. Do you think there was much danger from that shell=
?
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
pdp1 on mon 25 jul 11
Hi Arnold,
One would have to know the type of Fusing the Shell had...but likely it was
an impact/compression or inertia kind, and, so, no particular worries for i=
t
to be laying there so long as no one bangs on the Nose with a Hammer or
length of 2X4 or other.
Pro-Tem in a War Zone is one thing...
Sitting in one's Workshop or Living Room, quite another.
I would be inclined to consider the Manufacturer's Blueprints and other Tec=
h
Data, and, to de-fuse it, if it were me, and if it was something I wanted t=
o
have in my Home or Shop.
As it is, that is not actually something I would presonally wish to have
laying around my Home or Workshop though, and, for quite a few reasons.
We still have the occasional detonation of Shells or Mines or other items
dating from the War of Federal Tyrrany and Looting, of 1861 - 1865.
Not that they ever do that by themselves, but, when people go messing with
them..."Look what I found!"
'Handle with Care'...
They used to 'Mine' Coffins back then also, and, it is possible to-day for
an exhumation of an 1850s, 1860s, 1870s era Burial, to have a pretty decent
unexpected explosion awaiting the unwary.
Grave Robbing was frowned upon, and quite a few Patent Coffin Mines were
available to anyone wanting them...and, when set up correctly, they were
water proof, and, very durable, and would go off now - a Hundred and fifty
years later - just as nicely as when fresh.
Ohhhh, golly, we were such a different bunch back then!
Ever read up on the early History of Nitroglycerin Manufacture in the US?
What a wacky charming tale of fun and mis-hap that all was...wow...
Quite a few Funerals where all they had to Bury was a two inch long narrow
shred of a cheek with a dab of Mustache dangling.
But, they learned the craft, and, overall, no body made any big deal about
any of it.
Oil Drillers would leave empty Gallon or Quart Cans from Nitroglycerin
tossed away to the side, and, kids would throw Rocks at them.
Well, when the 'empty' Cans still had ohhhh, half a fluid Ounce left,
especially on a warm Day, Can sitting in the Sunshine, Kid throws a Rock at
it and hits it well, "Kuh-Freakin'-BOOM!!!!"
Kids loved this of course, and used to seek out such Cans TO throw Rocks at=
,
and, sometimes they'd get killed or loose a limb or have a concussion or
whatever, but mostly it was fun and the Oil guys would get mad, chase them
off, on and on...
"Damn Kids!!!"
Chuckle...
Ohhhh golly...
Love,
Phil
L v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnold Howard"
> On 7/24/2011 3:45 PM, Larry Kruzan wrote:
>> Somewhere I have a photo of a couple buddies and sitting on a pallet of
>> 155mm artillery shells, eating our "C" rats. Untold piles of destruction
>> ready to go down-range, but we were perfectly safe. When my mother saw
>> the
>> photo she didn't see that I was letting her know all was well, she only
>> saw
>> the ton of high explosives under our butts.
>
> There is a famous picture of a WWII Marine sitting on a Naval 16"
> unexploded shell emptying his shoe. The shell had probably skidded along
> the sand when it landed. Do you think there was much danger from that
> shell?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Arnold Howard
> Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
> ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
Lee on mon 25 jul 11
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Carl Cravens wrote:
> We hate and fear what we do not know and understand. =3DA0That has >alway=
s =3D
been the way of Man.
Swagger comes from hate fear too. Weenies need bumperstickers
on their pickup trucks, hoping that will make them hide their
cowardice.
If you grow up with firearms and had to depend upon them for food,
you know you only have to speak quietly and carry a big stick.
Here is an explanation of why authoritarians suffer from
fear in this way:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/18/AR200809180=
=3D
2265.html
"People who startle easily in response to threatening images or loud
sounds seem to have a biological predisposition to adopt certain
political positions "
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
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