CAROLRATLI on thu 22 jan 98
Hi folks,
I have a small kiln almost built & now I just need to add the fiber insulation
to inside of kiln & door.
So, how do I get it on there & what "glue" will work? I have seen fiber held
on with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the bricks.....hangs
for awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. Kiln
cement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
carol ratliff
san diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy !!!
Tapandye on fri 23 jan 98
PBVC Veneering Cement will work. Used with your ceramic blanket it will
withstand temperatures to 2500 degrees. Insulating brick must first be sealed
with Rigidizer.
Has to dry for about a day before you can fire up the kiln. Both available
through Laguna Clay 1-800-452-4862. Probably a good idea to also use pins
with clay buttons too. Will ensure a good hold.
JOHN PROSSER on fri 23 jan 98
At 07:34 AM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi folks,
>I have a small kiln almost built & now I just need to add the fiber
insulation
>to inside of kiln & door.
>So, how do I get it on there & what "glue" will work? I have seen fiber held
>on with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the bricks.....hangs
>for awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. Kiln
>cement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
>carol ratliff
>san diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy !!!
>
>
Try sodiun silicate (waterglass) available from a drug store or your local
pottery supply house.
John Prosser "Pyromaniac"
Studio pottery
20 Brisbane Blvd
Brantford Ont
Canada
N3S4L2
(519) 756 7617
Marcia Selsor on sat 24 jan 98
To stick fiber onto a door, I use a strcture of expanded metal and
angle iron, a 1" layer of insblok (fiber board) then attach the blanket
vertically with button of raku clay with long Kanthal wire pushed through to
the outside surface of the expanded metal and twist tight.
Then spray with rigidizer to seal those nasty fibers from the blanket.
Out doors have lasted years through frequent firngs. We're at least past the
50 on our newest kiln.
Marcia in Montana
JOHN PROSSER wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> At 07:34 AM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote:
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >Hi folks,
> >I have a small kiln almost built & now I just need to add the fiber
> insulation
> >to inside of kiln & door.
> >So, how do I get it on there & what "glue" will work? I have seen fiber held
> >on with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the bricks.....hangs
> >for awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. Kiln
> >cement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
> >carol ratliff
> >san diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy !!!
> >
> >
>
> Try sodiun silicate (waterglass) available from a drug store or your l
> pottery supply house.
> John Prosser "Pyromaniac"
> Studio pottery
> 20 Brisbane Blvd
> Brantford Ont
> Canada
> N3S4L2
> (519) 756 7617
Robert Santerre on mon 26 jan 98
Marcia, what exactly is the =22rigidizer=22 spray you're using? Do you =
spray it on
fiber that will be exposed to the inside of the kiln? Is it stable to cone =
10?
Thanks, Bob
rfsanterre=40iquest.net
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From: Marcia Selsor=5BSMTP:mjbmls=40imt.net=5D
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:26 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
Subject: Re: ceramic fiber...how to stick on?
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
To stick fiber onto a door, I use a strcture of expanded metal and
angle iron, a 1=22 layer of insblok (fiber board) then attach the blanket
vertically with button of raku clay with long Kanthal wire pushed through to
the outside surface of the expanded metal and twist tight.
Then spray with rigidizer to seal those nasty fibers from the blanket.
Out doors have lasted years through frequent firngs. We're at least past the
50 on our newest kiln.
Marcia in Montana
JOHN PROSSER wrote:
=3E
=3E ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
=3E At 07:34 AM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote:
=3E =3E----------------------------Original =
message----------------------------
=3E =3EHi folks,
=3E =3EI have a small kiln almost built =26 now I just need to add the fiber
=3E insulation
=3E =3Eto inside of kiln =26 door.
=3E =3ESo, how do I get it on there =26 what =22glue=22 will work? I have =
seen fiber held
=3E =3Eon with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the =
bricks.....hangs
=3E =3Efor awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. =
Kiln
=3E =3Ecement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
=3E =3Ecarol ratliff
=3E =3Esan diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy =21=21=21
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E
=3E Try sodiun silicate (waterglass) available from a drug store or =
your l
=3E pottery supply house.
=3E John Prosser =22Pyromaniac=22
=3E Studio pottery
=3E 20 Brisbane Blvd
=3E Brantford Ont
=3E Canada
=3E N3S4L2
=3E (519) 756 7617
Marcia Selsor on tue 27 jan 98
I get rigidizer from Minnesota Clay Co. who gets it from some local
manufacturer. It goes on the fire side of the fiber. Call Mn. Clay Co.
to find out the max. temp.
To glue it around doors and the floor of our car kiln, I use Archie Bray
Patch. I don't use the Bray Patch on doors because it is pinned in place.
Marcia
Robert Santerre wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Marcia, what exactly is the "rigidizer" spray you're using? Do you spray it o
> fiber that will be exposed to the inside of the kiln? Is it stable to cone 10
>
> Thanks, Bob
> rfsanterre@iquest.net
>
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> ----------
> From: Marcia Selsor[SMTP:mjbmls@imt.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:26 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list CLAYART
> Subject: Re: ceramic fiber...how to stick on?
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> To stick fiber onto a door, I use a strcture of expanded metal and
> angle iron, a 1" layer of insblok (fiber board) then attach the blanket
> vertically with button of raku clay with long Kanthal wire pushed through to
> the outside surface of the expanded metal and twist tight.
> Then spray with rigidizer to seal those nasty fibers from the blanket.
> Out doors have lasted years through frequent firngs. We're at least past the
> 50 on our newest kiln.
> Marcia in Montana
>
> JOHN PROSSER wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > At 07:34 AM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote:
> > >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > >Hi folks,
> > >I have a small kiln almost built & now I just need to add the fiber
> > insulation
> > >to inside of kiln & door.
> > >So, how do I get it on there & what "glue" will work? I have seen fiber he
> > >on with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the bricks.....hang
> > >for awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. Kiln
> > >cement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
> > >carol ratliff
> > >san diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy !!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Try sodiun silicate (waterglass) available from a drug store or your
> > pottery supply house.
> > John Prosser "Pyromaniac"
> > Studio pottery
> > 20 Brisbane Blvd
> > Brantford Ont
> > Canada
> > N3S4L2
> > (519) 756 7617
Stephen Mills on tue 27 jan 98
I'm a little late in the day with this but I've been offlist for a few
days.
Make blind buttons out of stoneware clay and use them, held in place
with Nichrome wire, to hold the fibre to the walls. If you glue it the
expansion and contraction of the kiln frame/shell could cause the fibre
to tear as it doesn't do those things.
Steve
Bath
UK
ps: blind buttons have a lug on the back with the hole in, not pierced
through the disc,
In message , CAROLRATLI writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi folks,
>I have a small kiln almost built & now I just need to add the fiber insulation
>to inside of kiln & door.
>So, how do I get it on there & what "glue" will work? I have seen fiber held
>on with wire staples just pushed through the fiber into the bricks.....hangs
>for awhile but doesn't look like it can be the best idea out there. Kiln
>cement doesn't seem to really stick. Any suggestions?
>carol ratliff
>san diego....where life has gone superbowl crazy !!!
>
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
home e-mail: stevemills@mudslinger.demon.co.uk
work e-mail: stevemills@bathpotters.demon.co.uk
CAROLRATLI on wed 28 jan 98
Marcia,
Does the Archie Bray Patch actually stick like a glue? Also, why the
rigidizer? Does that inhibit the insulating factors of the fiber at all? or
just seal it and thus protecting itself from me and me from it? Does that
help it hang any better ( I've seen our school raku kiln with fiber lined
bricks just sag and barely hang in there on a few metal staples)
I have had many suggestions to my original question and have just prolonged
the finishing of this kiln because of total confusion in the choices. Have
you followed all the responses on this so far?.........
sodium silicate and wire staples after sealing...with something?
ITC....I thought this was a kiln wash....a glue too? No wires?
Veeneer glue and sealing bricks first......really? with no wires?
and of course my first rejected idea of kiln cement...it isn't a glue and
doesn't seem well suited for this from what I have seen.
I guess the test of time on whatever I decide can always be redone differently
some day, but I'd rather do it right the first time. Anyone else want to jump
in here with their ideas? or maybe better yet, anyone had any problems with
any of the above?
thanks,
carol ratliff
In a message dated 98-01-27 12:57:56 EST, you write:
<< ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I get rigidizer from Minnesota Clay Co. who gets it from some local
manufacturer. It goes on the fire side of the fiber. Call Mn. Clay Co.
to find out the max. temp.
To glue it around doors and the floor of our car kiln, I use Archie Bray
Patch. I don't use the Bray Patch on doors because it is pinned in place.
Marcia
Robert Santerre wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Marcia, what exactly is the "rigidizer" spray you're using? Do you spray
it o
> fiber that will be exposed to the inside of the kiln? Is it stable to cone
10
>
> Thanks, Bob
> rfsanterre@iquest.net
> >>
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