John Rodgers on wed 27 jul 11
Lee,
I grew up in the Deep South, where firearms were as common and as useful
as the knife and fork at the dinner table - and often times put on that
table that which we ate with that knife and fork. But we were taught
from the very beginning, that those firearms had a use, a purpose, a
place to be used, and a place not to be used. They were afforded great
respect because of the life they could and often did take to provide for
our daily bread (or meat as was the case). We learned that shooting a
finely made rifle, whether hunting or in a competition, could be as fun
as driving a very fine, high speed sports car. But we also learned that
the shooting, like the racing of the sports car - could be deadly if
done wrong, in the wrong place, for the wrong reasons. You don't drive a
racing Ferrari or Maserati through town or even on the highway amongst
highway traffic, just as you don't discharge firearms in a place where
there are people - no matter how fine the firearm. It simply isn't done.
Reason must prevail.
John
John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
On 7/27/2011 6:57 PM, Lee wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Stephani Stephenson
> wrote:
>> I would agree
>> it does no good to categorize 'everyone else ' who might disagree with o=
ne
>> as ignorant or uninformed,..
> It is important to judge by behavior, rather than category.
>
> America has a heritage of firearms that goes back to its
> beginnings.. The gun is almost like the sword is to Japanese culture.
> (Though, the Japanese have a heritage of firearms dating back to the
> first Dutch visitors there. In the 17th, there were more small arms in
> Japan than in Europe combined.) And firearms will always be with us.
> But there is a certain code language and bluster, , which is used as
> straw-men to drive wedges where they don't really exist.
>
> Everybody of every political persuasion who grows up in rural
> America know that a firearm is not much different than an ax or hammer.
> My first firerarm was a Mossberg bolt action 20gauge
> that my father traded my old bike for (I got a new one for Xmas) when
> I was 5 years old. Didn't get to shoot it until I was 12, but we were
> holy terrors with our Daisy air rifles and pellet guns up until we could
> go deer hunting.
>
> I just got off the phone making plans to go shooting with a
> friend who hasn't fired a gun since he left the Air Force in the '60s.
> Should be fun. Also making plans to go to an inside range next
> week. Growing up in the country and qualifying at Ft. Knox with the
> M16, all my shooting has been outside.
>
> In this photo linked below, you can see my late Grandfather
> sitting next to a suit of armor and an arquebus that dates to around
> 1600 and has been in our family for 18 generations. Sakai, where I
> was born, was famous for its firearms, The early matchlocks were
> converted into flintlocks and in modern times, the 3000 year old
> barrels were made so well, they were converted into breech loaders:
>
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-grandfather-with-arquebus-and-a=
rmor.html
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> "Ta tIr na n-=F3g ar chul an tI=97tIr dlainn trina ch=E9ile"=97that is,=
"The
> land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
> within itself." -- John O'Donohue
>
>
Stephani Stephenson on wed 27 jul 11
I would agree , Steve.=3D20
it does no good to categorize 'everyone else ' who might disagree with on=
=3D
e
as ignorant or uninformed,..it tends to illustrate one's own small minded=
=3D
ness.=3D20
To respond to some of the misinformation, many of a liberal bent have
indeed grown up and are quite familiar with guns . i myself use to do
demos with an 18th century Charleyville musket, and grew up ,like most ru=
=3D
ral
kids with a family that went hunting, as I have. i can respect the making=
=3D
=3D20
and skill of firearms ,and their history in our adventures and misadventu=
=3D
res
. Guns came in quite useful when my brother took his own life a few years=
=3D
back too.
Though guns are indeed works of craft and art, the politics creeping into=
=3D
the posts is unseemly and ill timed and has little to do with the art or =
=3D
the
craft of anything.
so , lets get off this politicizing track now, shall we?
Stephani Stephenson
Lee on wed 27 jul 11
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Stephani Stephenson
wrote:
> I would agree
> it does no good to categorize 'everyone else ' who might disagree with on=
=3D
e
> as ignorant or uninformed,..
It is important to judge by behavior, rather than category.
America has a heritage of firearms that goes back to its
beginnings.. The gun is almost like the sword is to Japanese culture.
(Though, the Japanese have a heritage of firearms dating back to the
first Dutch visitors there. In the 17th, there were more small arms in
Japan than in Europe combined.) And firearms will always be with us.
But there is a certain code language and bluster, , which is used as
straw-men to drive wedges where they don't really exist.
Everybody of every political persuasion who grows up in rural
America know that a firearm is not much different than an ax or hammer.
My first firerarm was a Mossberg bolt action 20gauge
that my father traded my old bike for (I got a new one for Xmas) when
I was 5 years old. Didn't get to shoot it until I was 12, but we were
holy terrors with our Daisy air rifles and pellet guns up until we could
go deer hunting.
I just got off the phone making plans to go shooting with a
friend who hasn't fired a gun since he left the Air Force in the '60s.
Should be fun. Also making plans to go to an inside range next
week. Growing up in the country and qualifying at Ft. Knox with the
M16, all my shooting has been outside.
In this photo linked below, you can see my late Grandfather
sitting next to a suit of armor and an arquebus that dates to around
1600 and has been in our family for 18 generations. Sakai, where I
was born, was famous for its firearms, The early matchlocks were
converted into flintlocks and in modern times, the 3000 year old
barrels were made so well, they were converted into breech loaders:
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-grandfather-with-arquebus-and-arm=
=3D
or.html
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
Lee on wed 27 jul 11
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Lee wrote:
> converted into flintlocks and in modern times, the 3000 year old
> barrels were made so well, they were converted into breech loaders:
>
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-grandfather-with-arquebus-and-a=
=3D
rmor.html
>
Oops! that should read 300 year old. Sorry!
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
WJ Seidl on thu 28 jul 11
But a .40 won't stop a bear.
A .45 will.
There is a lot to be said for "shot placement" of course, but I'll take
my chances
that my dogs won't be energetic enough to leave the couch to attack me
(well, slobber me with doggy kisses, maybe)
so I'm safe enough removing the .45 when I come inside.
Best,
Wayne
On 7/28/2011 4:18 PM, Lee wrote:
> a compact .40 might be easier on the furniture.
>
> http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/robert-farago/ruger-unveils-new-sr40=
c/
>
>
> --
> Lee Love in Minneapolis
> http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
>
> "Ta tIr na n-=F3g ar chul an tI=97tIr dlainn trina ch=E9ile"=97that is,=
"The
> land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
> within itself." -- John O'Donohue
>
Lee on thu 28 jul 11
My thought was that a .45 wouldn't be much different than a .40
Especially if you are like most folks & don't shoot often. I'd
choose a 9mm and a lot of practice over a .45 that never leaves the
holster.
All you have is black bears in Maine. In Michigan, we'd
scare them off with BB guns or rocks if we didn't have our Daisys with
us.
My Akita Kintaro would be better than a firearm. If you don't
have an Akita, a Karelian Bear dog would suffice.
--
=3DA0Lee Love in Minneapolis
http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/
=3DA0"Ta tIr na n-=3DF3g ar chul an tI=3D97tIr dlainn trina ch=3DE9ile"=3D9=
7that is, =3D
"The
land of eternal youth is behind the house, a beautiful land fluent
within itself." -- John O'Donohue
WJ Seidl on thu 28 jul 11
John and all:
An interesting discussion, to be sure.
Not three feet from me sits my HiPoint .45 ACP pistol in it's holster,
loaded.
It's bear season here, and the mamas are out foraging in the woods
with their cubs. You don't want to get between them. It could mean your
life.
Bears don't know from "accidentally". All they know is that you're in
between them and their babies
and they won't think twice about correcting that situation by taking you
out of it.
For most of the people who work in and around the woods here, a pistol
or a rifle is a tool. Pick it up and carry it when you go to work in
the morning,
take it off and put it away when you come in the house at night. No
different than the chainsaw sitting in the back of
3 out of 4 pickups in these parts, or the pocket knife most everyone
carries (yes, women too) "just because".
The only reason I'm not wearing my .45 right now is because I'm in the
house (no bears in here, just lazy farm dogs)
and it tends to bump into the wooden chair seat when I sit...which
upsets my partner...but I am in possession
of my Buck knife. Wouldn't be without it. Not having it in my pocket
(balanced by my cell phone in the opposite one)
makes me feel like I'm naked. It's just part of living in rural Maine.
For us, a 45 is a tool like any other, not a weapon.
No more destructive than a sledge hammer, but a tool just the same.
Pistols kill, but so do sledge hammers,
chainsaws, wood chippers, kitchen mixers...you can add thousands of
others to that list.
Telling someone that "...just as you don't discharge firearms in a place
where there are people..."
is stating the obvious to most of the good folk around here...but then
too...
Dick Cheney doesn't live up here. He should have that branded onto his
forehead.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
who just had 8 cords of tree-length wood for the winter delivered...and
is grateful it's here.
Two months until heating season...and counting.
On 7/27/2011 11:06 PM, John Rodgers wrote:
> Lee,
>
> I grew up in the Deep South, where firearms were as common and as useful
> as the knife and fork at the dinner table - and often times put on that
> table that which we ate with that knife and fork. But we were taught
> from the very beginning, that those firearms had a use, a purpose, a
> place to be used, and a place not to be used. They were afforded great
> respect because of the life they could and often did take to provide for
> our daily bread (or meat as was the case). We learned that shooting a
> finely made rifle, whether hunting or in a competition, could be as fun
> as driving a very fine, high speed sports car. But we also learned that
> the shooting, like the racing of the sports car - could be deadly if
> done wrong, in the wrong place, for the wrong reasons. You don't drive a
> racing Ferrari or Maserati through town or even on the highway amongst
> highway traffic, just as you don't discharge firearms in a place where
> there are people - no matter how fine the firearm. It simply isn't done.
> Reason must prevail.
>
> John
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